We all know how controversial this subject is in Nigeria
To answer the question we must address first the definitions what is North and what is south

From a geograhiical perspective North and South should mean drawing a latitude through the middle and anything above is north whilst anyything below is south

Such a scheme uld Include Benue and Kogi entirely in the South as well as significant bits of Taraba,Kwara, Nassarawa,Adamawa and even Abuja

People often mix the Political North with the Gegraphical North

For discussion on population it is a geographical point

If we take the geographical North versus the Geographical south it is clear the south is more populated

Maybe we yoruba muslims should ask ourselves.

Politically Benue is considered North whilsts Oyo is south but look at the map. Also compare Oyo to Kogi .Nassarawa and Adamawa or Taraba

omonnakoda:
Politically Benue is considered North whilsts Oyo is south but look at the map. Also compare Oyo to Kogi .Nassarawa and Adamawa or Taraba

Compare Ekiti to Benue. Which is more "Northern"/

Almost 70% of the country is north

Our Fathers and Grand Fathers marry four wives and have many children compared to those who marry one wife with 8 children compared to Northerners who marry many wives and many children

servercodes001:
Almost 70% of the country is north

Do you understand the premise off this thread?
Please try to do that before commenting
Do not just jump in to start talking
First try to understand what is going on...

from even the geographical diagram u pasted, north is wayy bigger than south

By land yes by population no.80 percent of northerners reside here in Nigeria,50% of East,south,west are abroad each.

North more populate than South because politically you can't regard kwara,kogi,Benue Taraba as a south.

This is also similar to political SE and grohraphical SE. Geographically the whole old eastern region should be SE. geographically the boundary between north and south should be around southern kaduna

What baffle me most about this Geo political zone is how Cross river will be regards as SS and Abia state yo be SE.
just look to the map and tell yourself the naked truth.

I believe they segregate the Geo political zone inline with their language.

Another question is that who drafted the map in first place

Yes even when geographically the North covers more land mass and has more towns and communities than the south?

That in itself may negate the assumptions and positions of the south. As much as people shouldn't just sit somewhere, based on rumor or visited a handful of places or worse remain in an area to assume they are more of them than others.

For you to be an authority on the populations of south and North. You must have visited all 36 states plus Abuja and taken a fair number of communities and villages to conclude such.

As it stands the closest was done by the Population commission because it went far to cover more areas in collation than someone who just wakes up from sleep in his zone to say we are more than you numerically.

If such assumptions can be made then it is only fair to conclude my village is more populated.

allthingsgood:
from even the geographical diagram u pasted, north is wayy bigger than south

No in geography you draw a line through the middle anything above is "North" and below is "south"

The purpose of this thread is "geography" to address the claims that the population figures are rigged.
I do not believe that is the case

Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?
Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South
e.g Oyo is more "North" than Kogi or Benue.

In geography Norh South divide presupposes an "EQUATOR" ie equal on both sides so from a PURELY geographical perspective the South is more populated and we cannot argue that the population figures are rigged on those grounds
That is the point of this thread so please try to understand it thoroughly

All that talk of our fathers marryin 10 wives is irrelevant

If you divide Nigeria into two equal land masses North and South then there are more people in the Southern part. WHY

BabangidaHamza:
Our Fathers and Grand Fathers marry four wives and have many children compared to those who marry one wife with 8 children compared to Northerners who marry many wives and many children

All that talk of our fathers marryin 10 wives is irrelevant

If you divide Nigeria into two equal land masses North and South then there are more people in the Southern part. WHY

The simple answer is water.
Not fathers marrying wives

omonnakoda:

No in geography you draw a line [b]through the middle anything above is "North" and below is "south"[/b]

The purpose of this thread is "geography" to address the claims that the population figures are rigged.
I do not believe that is the case

Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?
Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South
e.g Oyo is more "North" than Kogi or Benue.

In geography Norh South divide presupposes an "EQUATOR" ie equal on both sides so frm a PURELY geographical perspective the South is more populated and we cannot argue that the population figures are rigged on those grounds

I dont know what school u attended o, but there is a difference between geographical map and geopolitical zones. ok. The north is almost twice the size of the south, period. However the north alone cannot guarantee elections. This is also why igbos or other minority will never make Presidency without the support of the north. Unfortunately, the two leading candidates are from the north.

hakanai:
Yes even when geographically the North covers more land mass and has more towns and communities than the south?

That in itself may negate the assumptions and positions of the south. As much as people shouldn't just sit down and based on rumor, what they feel because they visited a handful of places or remain worse remain in an area to assume they are more of them than others.

For you to be an authority on the populations of south and North. You must have visited 36 states plus Abuja and taken a fair number of communities and villages to conclude such. As it stands the closest to that do is the by the Population commission because it went far to cover more areas in collation than someone who just wakes up from sleep in his zone to say we are more than you numerically.

If such assumptions can be made then it is only fair to conclude my village is more populated.

Geographically by definition North= south i. 50:50

politically or administratively it s another matter

so some of those places that were under the Brtish Protectorate of Northern Nigeria are not geographically in the north of Nigeria.
It is important to differentiate concepts of "north" geographically and "North" politically which really refers to the British protectorate of Northern Nigeria a political administrative colonial space.

A least we must do this when referencing population trends in other West African countries for comparison

The notion that North is more populated than Southern Nigeria is nothing but BLATANT LIES. The bulk of northern population census results right from time were filed with goats, cows, sheeps and other animal populations aimed to swell up Norths population for politics of parasitism. More developed coastal areas are naturally more populated than arid desert regions anywhere in the world.

saaron:
The notion that North is more populated than Southern Migeria is nothing but BLATANT LIES. The bulk of northern population census results were filed with goats, cows, sheeps and other animal populations. More develop coastal areas are naturally more populated than arid regions anywhere in the world.

First you have to define NORTH

Oyo state politically is South while Benue is North

but geographically Oyo is more in the North than Benue

did you know this?

omonnakoda:

No in geography you draw a line through the middle anything above is "North" and below is "south"

The purpose of this thread is "geography" to address the claims that the population figures are rigged.
I do not believe that is the case

Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?
Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South
e.g Oyo is more "North" than Kogi or Benue.

In geography Norh South divide presupposes an "EQUATOR" ie equal on both sides so from a PURELY geographical perspective the South is more populated and we cannot argue that the population figures are rigged on those grounds
That is the point of this thread so please try to understand it thoroughly

All that talk of our fathers marryin 10 wives is irrelevant

If you divide Nigeria into two equal land masses North and South then there are more people in the Southern part. WHY

Am attracted to your argument. Great point.

omonnakoda:
First you have to define NORTH

Oyo state politically is South while Benue is North

but geographically Oyo is more in the North than Benue

did you know this?

If we are to follow original geographical coordinates, Benue can never be termed a Northern state. How Benue became a northern state in Nigeria is one the wonders of northern politics of parasitism.

mandarin:


Am attracted to your argument. Great point.

Fact is because of the political implications of population we are never dispassionate on this issue

One thing you hear a lot is about how population declines from north to south across West Africa.

The question is this North to south across west Africa
is it politcal or geographical

Are we comparing like with like

Northern Nigeria was a colony of Britain it is not the same as the geographical North of Nigeria.

There is no way you can be talking geography and say Oyo is south but Benue is North or Kogi is north.

That is not geography. Look at the map. Even Ekiti state

saaron:
If we are to follow original geographical coordinates, Benue can never be termed a Northern state. How Benue became a northern state in Nigeria is one the wonders of northern politics of parasitism.

Nothing to do with parasitism

Benue state was part of Northern Nigeria whic was a British colony/protectorate. That is how it came about .

Any how the purpose of this thread is not about those parasitism issues but a technical discusson about a purely technical consideration

hakanai:
Yes even when geographically the North covers more land mass and has more towns and communities than the south?

That in itself may negate the assumptions and positions of the south. As much as people shouldn't just sit somewhere, based on rumor or visited a handful of places or worse remain in an area to assume they are more of them than others.

For you to be an authority on the populations of south and North. You must have visited all 36 states plus Abuja and taken a fair number of communities and villages to conclude such.

As it stands the closest was done by the Population commission because it went far to cover more areas in collation than someone who just wakes up from sleep in his zone to say we are more than you numerically.

If such assumptions can be made then it is only fair to conclude my village is more populated.

Your argument is different from the subject matter. We are not saying that the North is not more populated. The point here is that parts of the so called north are not really north in geographical sense

omonnakoda:


Nothing to do with parasitism

Benue state was part of Northern Nigeria whic was a British colony/protectorate. That is how it came about .

Any how the purpose of this thread is not about those parasitism issues but a technical discusson about a purely technical consideration

British colonialism in Nigeria was mainly for British political interest, not the people they were colonizing. If Britain had the interest of the people in mind they will NEVER AMALGAMATE two regions (North and South) with nothing in common into one protectorate in 1914.

saaron:
British colonialism in Nigeria was mainly for British political interest, not the people they were colonizing. If Britain had the interest of the people in mind they will NEVER AMALGAMATE two regions (North and South) with nothing in common into one protectorate in 1914.

You are correct but that is a different topic though

allthingsgood:
from even the geographical diagram u pasted, north is wayy bigger than south

Libya is way more lager than Nigeria, but go check out its population.

BabangidaHamza:
Our Fathers and Grand Fathers marry four wives and have many children compared to those who marry one wife with 8 children compared to Northerners who marry many wives and many children

Population is not dependent on the number of women married to one man rather it is dependent on the number of available women of reproductive age in a locality and their birth rate minus mortality rate.

Divorcée or a married wisdom can't replicate eight or six children per marriage.

And i bet if i do a study of all the countries in West Africa bordering the Atlantic, i'd discover that in most if not all, the coastal region is more populated than the arid inner/northern parts that are closer to the Sahara. Of course with the exception of Nigeria, where reason stands on its head!

omonnakoda:
First you have to define NORTH

Oyo state politically is South while Benue is North

but geographically Oyo is more in the North than Benue

did you know this?

If I m to consider your map, states like Plateau, Nassarawa, Abuja, Kogi will be termed Central states or Mid states or Middle belt as we call them now, not North central. while the likes of Benue and Taraba will be termed Mid western eastern states. The whole of South east and South South will be termed South. In real terms considering the map of Nigeria, there's nothing like South east and South south giving religious and cultural similarities.

MadamExcellency:


Population is not dependent on the number of woman married to one man rather it is dependent on the number of available women of reproductive age.

Divorcée or a married wisdom can't replicate eight or six children per marriage.

First his premise is factually incorrect.

There are many places in the political North that do not marry several wives and which are predominantly Christian
There are many places in the political south that marry several wives

The most important determinants of population are food/water and disease

What we can see from this thread is if we take Nigeria land mass and divide 50:50 into North South then we would inlude Benue and kogi about half of Kwara Nassarawa Taraba and Adamawa in the south and the south would be more populous.

This correlates with rainfall and agricultural output. Nothing to do with number of wives

Remember that Abuja is the geographical centre of the country

Any latitude dividing the country in two would run through Abuja and then we would see that what obtains across West Africa also obtains in Nigeria.
Population would be higher in the southern 50% of the land mass