BraveGuy: God is God, He can multiply Himself in many ways, if He chooses.

God is the Father
God is the Son
God is the Holy Spirit.

One God manifesting in different forms. Sits on ONE throne.
The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, not two spirits.

Not an angel.

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES

Colossians 2:9 tells us: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
<<< WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT DABBLE INTO OTHER PHILOSOPHIES OR DOCTRINES BECAUSE IN THE WORD IS ALL THE DOCTRINE YOU NEED. THE WORD IS THE ONLY TRUE DOCTRINE. LET ME GET YOU A PRECEPT FOR THAT
ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh <<< THE BIBLE IS ALL YOU NEED. THERE ARE TOO MANY BOOKS WRITTEN BY MEN. IN THE BIBLE IS THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD

AND SECONDLY YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT AN ANGEL MEANS. IT IS AN OLD WAY OF SAYING 'MESSENGER'. YES JESUS IS AN ANGEL. HIS MESSAGE WAS TO REDEEM THE ELECT OF ISRAEL AND TO UNITE THE WHOLE WORLD BOTH JEW AND GENTILE TO THE LORD. HE IS AN ANGEL. AN ARCHANGEL

BraveGuy: Saying that a messenger is an angel is right.
But Jesus Christ and Michael are TWO SEPARATE entities.

When we use angel in this context, you and I know what we are saying, that is, spiritual beings sent into our terrestrial world to do something. There has NEVER been any time other angels worship Michael; but, all the times God was physically manifested in the old testament, we have angels worshipping Him, and that is the same for Jesus.

All manifestations of Michael and Gabriel in the Bible, they REFUSE worship; but Jesus never refused worship.

obadiah777: ALL VAIN AND PROFANE BABBLINGS AND PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS. SHOW ME ALL THIS IN THE BIBLE. SCRIPTURE SAYS PROVE ALL THINGS AND LEAN NOT INTO THY OWN UNDERSTANDING

BraveGuy:

Jesus is known as the Angel that stands for them (Israelites)
Jesus is known as the Rock that followed for them (Israelites)
Jesus is known as the Pillar of Fire & Pillar of Cloud that watches over them (Israelites)

Nowhere does the Bible says this about Michael.

BraveGuy: Paul wrote Hebrews 1 to make this clear distinction.
But you're still choosing the wrong path, even after Paul wrote on this issue almost 2000 years ago.

John 1:14 CLEARLY states: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does that look or resemble angel Michael?

obadiah777: DANIEL 12 VS 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people ( Israel ):

BraveGuy: Are you trying to tell me that because Daniel 12vs1 says Michael stands up for the people of God that means he is the Saviour, the Messiah?

Even Orthodox Jews know that the Messiah is God, it's just that they can't accept Jesus to be the Messiah.

Michael still has one major fight and that is recorded in Revelation 12:7 that says, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,...

BraveGuy: Michael is a PRINCE, just like Adam was a PRINCE, Lucifer was a PRINCE - principalities....
Jesus Christ is the HEAD of all principalities

Colossians 1:16 reveals:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

BraveGuy: Angels of God stands/defend/protect/help God's people.
Are you telling me that they are not doing it at God's command?

So, because I wrote that Jesus being referred to as the Angel/Rock/Bread/Fire/etc around God's people means God is not the one?

That sounds so funny

obadiah777: YOU ERR. ADAM IS THE NAME OF A NATION OF PEOPLE. NOT ONE MAN. AND LUCIFER IS A TITLE NOT SOMEONES NAME. LUCIFER MEANS THE MORNING STAR. THE RULER OF THE WORLD. WHEN CHRIST RETURNS HE WILL BE THE LUCIFER AS STATED IN REVELATION 22ND CHAPTER

BraveGuy:

Huh

Please quote the exact verse that says Jesus will become Lucifer!!!

Adam was supposed to reign over a certain region in God's creation, that region is called, Earth. That was why God said have dominion.... Adam was supposed to be the "god of this world", and Satan confessed that that authority was delivered to him.

Jesus is not just a morning star; He is the BRIGHT and morning star - very different (Revelation 22:16). He is not going to become, He already is.

God will GIVE his saints the morning star, which I believe means they will be transformed (Revelation 2:28).

BraveGuy: Next, you will say because the face of Moses started shining like the Sun, that makes him also Christ? Nah!
Or because Enoch and Elijah did not die, they were Christ? Nah!

Bro, let us humbly stay where the Bible stays.... all other things are private interpretations.

I have quoted only what the Bible says and not added my own flavour to it.

BraveGuy: Morning Star is DIFFERENT from Bright and Morning Star.

Saying they are the same is akin to saying = A god is the same as The God.

A God is NOT the same as The God.

BraveGuy: You keep claiming ERRRRR, and using scriptures I quote as your basis for errors.

I can prove the Godship of Jesus in each Book of the Bible.

Can you prove that Michael is Jesus from other passages of the Bible apart from that place in Daniel (even though it specifically said that was Michael and not Christ?

You are making claims you can't substantiate.
Who says the Catholic Church believes that Jesus Christ is the end of God salvation work in man?
You're just trying to change the topic..... From Jesus being Michael, to him being Lucifer and now Catholic beliefs.... Is that Taqiyya?

obadiah777: YEAH OKEYXYZ IS ALWAYS BRINGING IN HERESIES. HE NEEDS TO BE FLOGGED FOR BEING A REPROBATE ERMM AS FOR ARCHANGEL MICHEAL, HE REALLY IS JESUS
JUDE VS 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil said, The Lord rebuke thee. ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS THE LORD

obadiah777: MORE PRECEPTS
MATTHEW 15 VS 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. CHRIST IS THE HEAVENLY REPRESENTATIVE AND INTERMEDIARY FOR ISRAEL ( THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD EVEN THOUGH NOW THEY ARE BACKSLIDDEN )

DANIEL 12 VS 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. <<<< REPRESENTATIVE OF ISRAEL.

SAME PEOPLE. MICHEAL = CHRIST

BraveGuy: Jesus is the Son of God not a son of God

We are sons of God; I am a son of God. But, I am not the Son of God.

God says He will make morning stars out of His saints, that now makes them Lucifers?
or that now makes Jesus the new Lucifer?



Jesus is not becoming a light-bearer, He is the Light (John 1:7)

BraveGuy: Don't try to change the Thread's topic: What Was The Forbidden Fruit?

The Bible is clear that it was a fruit from the TREE of knowledge (of good and evil).

The best argument or treatise written in the object, IMO, is that one I read from [url]brotherjohn.org/forbidden-fruit/[/url] .... the fruit was a spoken knowledge.

BraveGuy: Again you're entering into a territory the Bible did not give an account of.

Ever heard of the Serpent of Brass?
Numbers 21:9

There are MANY things we don't know; because of that fact, you can't try to justify your knowledge or assumptions by what you think, it has to be DECLARED in the Bible.

obadiah777: BUT YOU DO ERR. EVERYTHING I TOLD YOU IS IN THE BIBLE. BUT JUST HOW TO UNDERSTAND THE BOOK OF GENESIS YOU NEED TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE REST OF THE BIBLE, SAME WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE BOOK OF REVELATION YOU NEED TO HAVE READ ALL THE BIBLE. ITS DONE LIKE THIS FOR A REASON. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT

GENESIS 1 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
<<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. <<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH

SAME BEASTS BEATING ON ISRAEL AFTER THE LORD ELEVATED THEM AS PUNISHMENT TO ISRAEL FOR NOT SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZING THE BEASTS
DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. <<<<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH ? AND CARCASE MEANS SPIRITUALLY DEAD BODIES NOT PHYSICALLY DEAD. BEASTS OF THE EARTH ARE HEATHEN NATIONS. GENTILES

obadiah777: THE BIBLE IS DEEPER THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE AND HAS MORE LAYERS THAN AN ONION. THATS WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE INSIGHT TO PEEL THE LAYERS. ALMOST EVERYONE STAYS STUCK ON THE FIRST LAYER