johnydon22:
Would he be right then to assume the universe began to exist?

Lol. This doesn't say anything, this is like saying, by cup i mean anything that is a cup.

How do you recognize something that can't emerge by chance?

What are the qualities observed that connote design?

frank317:


God described in the bible purely man made, there no prove he is real

LordReed:


Did you see where they said they can pop into existence in a vacuum?

johnydon22:
Actually there isn't.

The Big bang accounts for expansion of a singularity (cosmic atom) doesn't account for the origin of the atom that expanded (it could be eternal) So, No. Your assumption that there is evidence that the universe has a beginning is false.

Secondly, the Big Bang isn't in fact a scientific conclusion at the moment, it is still subject to debate with another alternate theory of an everlasting cyclical universe in equal consideration by cosmologists



And what stops the universe from doing thusly considering the new information i furnished you with above?

budaatum:

Somehow, I expect you to claim all bank robbers are atheists. It would be the sort of lazy statement you'd make!

Did we not send you to school to learn the difference between right and wrong work? Did your parents not teach you the difference between good work and bad work? Are you just so antiwork solite3 that you refused to learn when we taught you the difference between good proper work and work that you should not do?

solite3:

I didn't say all bank robbers are atheist.
How do you know what is a good work or a bad work?
I understand why I should work to make money but isnt robbing a bank a quick and easy way? How do you know it is bad?

budaatum:

It is wrong because it involves taking what does not belong to me, a lesson taught me as a child whilst playing with my siblings.

It is likely wrong because banks have security guards with guns who might shoot me, which is very bad for me.

And its wrong because if I got caught, no body will say "buda well done". They might throw me in jail instead which is very bad for me.

As to easy. I wouldn't myself claim bank robbing is easy, but perhaps I'm just no good at it.

Stealing is bad, solite3. Anyone with decent parents would have been taught this.

solite3:
what is your definition of vacuum

solite3:
what makes it wrong?

If I have a way escape all these will robbing the bank still be wrong?

solite3:

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness.

tartar9:

Yes...and for it to have a beginning it has to have an external cause...unless the universe has always been existing,but this can't happen since we'd be having an infinite sequence of cause and effect.

I haven't had an argument from design all figured out yet...still thinking about it,and it seems your objection is correct.Expect a robust reply soon

solite3:
check there is evidence that the universe has an origin.
The singularity theory is just an attempt to explain its origin.

johnydon22:


Lmao. You are not saying anything. For a universe to emerge from a singularity, the singularity must exist prior to the big bang.

solite3:

There was no singularity, it is just a way of scientists saying they do not have the answers on how the universe came to pass.

solite3:

There was no singularity, it is just a way of scientists saying they do not have the answers on how the universe came to pass.

LordReed:


And you know this how?

johnydon22:


Lmao. So, you are both simultaneously doubting the big bang and using its tenets to advance your argument.

You have to make up your mind then.

solite3:
because such is pointless

LordReed:


What is pointless? Figuring out how the universe started?

solite3:
no physical thing can exist without a cause, this is an evidence for God.
Atheists loves to deny evidence and then ask for evidence for what they have rejected.

johnydon22:

For a universe to emerge from a singularity, the singularity must exist prior to the big bang.

LordReed:


1. No cause has been demonstrated to be by a god.
2. No god or gods have been demonstrated to exist.

solite3:
science is base on evidence, every evidence proves that physical entities has a cause. For the universe to exist there must be a cause.

The ultimate cause cannot be physical since it has already being demonstrated by science that all physical phenomena ultimately has a cause.
This Ultimate cause is God.

johnydon22:
Doesn't this premisw suggest that God too must then require something acting to bring it into existence since God is something and your premise says Nothing can exist except caused

How do you recognize design?

frank317:


What exactly is the use of this believe in achieving ur daily goal... If u don't understand the question do not bother to answer with off point

LordReed:


How did you jump from science has demonstrated all physical phenomena have a cause to the ultimate cause is not physical? Which science text told you that one?

solite3:
It is simple logic.
For example all mangoes are red then a green object cannot be a mango.
All physical phenomena has a cause then that which has no cause is not physical.

solite3:
There is no answer to that. According to scientist the universe is expanding actually space itself is expanding like an elastic material. However the bible describes the universe like a garment or cloth that would one day be pulled off.

Hebrews 1:11-12 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.