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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Ayoefa: 8:33pm On Dec 03, 2019
BAAKUS1447:
It is only in this part of the world you get to see individuals behaving rascally and proving to be better than institutions. Trump can never be bigger than the Republican neither can Messi be bigger than Barcelona FC.

Without strong institutions like the political party and the likes, we ain't going anywhere.




Trump is already bigger than the Republican party. They are still supporting him despite the facts that he stands against most of their hard core principles. Family values, conservative economics, respect for the military etc.

God bless Nigeria
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Nobody: 8:35pm On Dec 03, 2019
Culin:
Aloota Continua
Lol..
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by safarigirl(f): 8:36pm On Dec 03, 2019
Venerable612:


I am not sure you know what communism mean. The fact that the president is dictatorial doesn’t make them dictators.

To determine the ideology of a party - you look at what the party as a whole stands for; aggregate of their politicians; an aggregate of the governors, members of the National Assembly etc.

“communism is an ideology of economic equality through the elimination of private property.” It means state control of the economic apparatus. No private ownership or free capitalism.

Please comment on things you have knowledge of.

Ok.

I did not mean total communism, that is why I said 'at best', I meant parts of the ideology (controlling media for instance). Perhaps socialist was a better term to use.

Is there really free capitalism with APC?

Thanks for your correction, you could have been nicer about it though undecided

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Ayoefa: 8:37pm On Dec 03, 2019
APC has a progressive socialist kind of ideology. The Pdp has none, only an elitist kind of mentality
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by CSTR2: 8:38pm On Dec 03, 2019
Venerable612:
APC is welfarist - at least, they profess to be.

But it’s hardly defensible - because they fail at it.


PDP doesn’t have an ideology. They are not even a good opposition too.
PDP is capitalist.

APC is not even close to being welfarist.

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by viyon02: 8:39pm On Dec 03, 2019
torrh op, my people have said it all, no need to comment.

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Qadaffi2idiamin: 8:39pm On Dec 03, 2019
BAAKUS1447:
It is only in this part of the world you get to see individuals behaving rascally and proving to be better than institutions. p can never be bigger than the Republican neither can Messi be bigger than Barcelona FC.
Without strong institutions like the political party and the likes, we ain't going anywhere.


God bless Nigeria
You need to learn...

Political parties are not institutions... They represent platforms for robbery.

The main institution here is your constitution which your president has great disregard and disdain for.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by safarigirl(f): 8:40pm On Dec 03, 2019
Venerable612:
APC is welfarist - at least, they profess to be.

But it’s hardly defensible - because they fail at it.


PDP doesn’t have an ideology. They are not even a good opposition too.
like someone has said, PDP is Capitalist.

They have an ideology, you're just not familiar with it.

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Angelfrost(m): 8:40pm On Dec 03, 2019
Venerable612:
APC is welfarist - at least, they profess to be.

But it’s hardly defensible - because they fail at it.


PDP doesn’t have an ideology. They are not even a good opposition too.

APC is a breakaway faction of PDP... To denigrate PDP while eulogizing APC, even in the tiniest way, is the height of hypocrisy.

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by CrimsonChinedu: 8:41pm On Dec 03, 2019
Thier idelogy is money


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxRUjrpf34I
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by safarigirl(f): 8:41pm On Dec 03, 2019
Ayoefa:
APC has a progressive socialist kind of ideology. The Pdp has none, only an elitist kind of mentality
it is called capitalism. Anything that caters to the elite in society, promotes capitalism mostly

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by meobizy(f): 8:45pm On Dec 03, 2019
This question from 2011, lol. I see moderators are desperate for traffic and participation.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Ayoefa: 8:46pm On Dec 03, 2019
safarigirl:
it is called capitalism. Anything that caters to the elite in society, promotes capitalism mostly

Nope I disagree. Having an elitist mentality does not make you a capitalist. It only makes you feel entitled. In communists countries such NK and the old Soviet union, the ruling class has an elitist mentality but they do not even believe in capitalism.
Pdp has no ideology except to win elections and steal as much money as possible. They feel entitled to public money and that they must win all elections.

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by donprinyo(m): 8:49pm On Dec 03, 2019
Legalized E-voting and u will see politics base on merits
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by foodthought: 8:49pm On Dec 03, 2019
wow
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by safarigirl(f): 8:53pm On Dec 03, 2019
Ayoefa:


Nope I disagree. Having an elitist mentality does not make you a capitalist. It only makes you feel entitled. In communists countries such NK and the old Soviet union, the ruling class has an elitist mentality but they do not even believe in capitalism.
Pdp has no ideology except to win elections and steal as much money as possible. They feel entitled to public money and that they must win all elections.

And APC does not feel entitled to public money?

Can you compare cashflow under PDP and cash flow under APC? If any party has an elitist mentality, it is even the APC under who, Nigeria became Poverty Capital of the world, while stealing is at an all time high, albeit among a smaller group.

Don't say this thing in public, you will not leave that place unscathed

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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Venerable612(m): 8:53pm On Dec 03, 2019
Angelfrost:


APC is a breakaway faction of PDP... To denigrate PDP while eulogizing APC, even in the tiniest way, is the height of hypocrisy.

Did you read and understand my comment?

And if, for the sake of argument, I concede that APC is no different from PDP because they are a breakaway from PDP. It is logically flawed to suppose that they are that way because they came off PDP.

Many Pentecostal churches are breakaway factions of orthodox churches, but this doesn’t make them orthodox, by any fraction.

Given that, I would denigrate PDP more than I do APC, always, because Yaradua was the only good thing that came off them - apart from the present Seyi Makinde - as far as I am concerned.

They lack consistency - in the way that APC has managed in governance and ideology in the last 16 years.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by begge: 8:53pm On Dec 03, 2019
go and ask adesina or lai mohamed
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Venerable612(m): 8:55pm On Dec 03, 2019
safarigirl:
like someone has said, PDP is Capitalist.

They have an ideology, you're just not familiar with it.

Well may be. Like you said, it’s not apparent to me.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Keizzmann(m): 8:55pm On Dec 03, 2019
itsme01:
cool


yes they do, check PDP and APC wikipedia pages their ideology is clearly defined

if members follow their own ideology i dont know but i know APC have the same parten of governace from Lagos to Ogun and far away Katsina

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Nice to know that they do but i find it funny that none of their members on nairaland or any other social platform can comfortably list these ideologies.


They're just ignorant hungry followers of a simple wise and dominately dubious minority
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by rafkollinz: 8:56pm On Dec 03, 2019
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Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Venerable612(m): 8:57pm On Dec 03, 2019
CSTR2:

PDP is capitalist.

APC is not even close to being welfarist.

Why are they not close to being welfarist? Although I imagine that was the point I made which you obviously missed.

Yes, I agree with you - PDP may be capitalist and I am wondering why you obviously don’t see how they have failed on that as well.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Nobody: 9:00pm On Dec 03, 2019
meobizy:
This question from 2011, lol. I see moderators are desperate for traffic and participation.

senior man, I never knew nairaland exited then. I dey very very young then
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by TrajansKong: 9:00pm On Dec 03, 2019
Culin:
Aloota Continua

This needs more love... grin grin grin
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by magicminister: 9:00pm On Dec 03, 2019
BAAKUS1447:
It is only in this part of the world you get to see individuals behaving rascally and proving to be better than institutions. Trump can never be bigger than the Republican neither can Messi be bigger than Barcelona FC.

Without strong institutions like the political party and the likes, we ain't going anywhere.


God bless Nigeria

A political party is not an institution.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Ayoefa: 9:01pm On Dec 03, 2019
safarigirl:


And APC does not feel entitled to public money?

Can you compare cashflow under PDP and cash flow under APC? If any party has an elitist mentality, it is even the APC under who, Nigeria became Poverty Capital of the world, while stealing is at an all time high, albeit among a smaller group.

Don't say this thing in public, you will not leave that place unscathed

Which public? May be in your village. Not where I am.
I'm tired of lecturing people. So quick lecture. There's more money under pdp simply because oil was selling for much higher then under Buhari. When Buhari came in oil was selling for 28 dollars hence the economy went into recession. The country is slowly coming out of recession. Despite these serious shortfalls in oil income, this govt has and is investing money into projects that will make your easier for many years to come.
I know, you just want quick money to spend on frivolous current expenditures that will not have lasting impact on people's lives. Black man or woman with shortsighted mindset. Think of the long run not the instant satisfaction.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Nobody: 9:02pm On Dec 03, 2019
Keizzmann:



Nice to know that they do but i find it funny that none of their members on nairaland or any other social platform can comfortably list these ideologies.


They're just ignorant hungry followers of a simple wise and dominately dubious minority


True.

Their members have not come to list the ideologies here
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Generalyemi(m): 9:02pm On Dec 03, 2019
BAAKUS1447:
It is only in this part of the world you get to see individuals behaving rascally and proving to be better than institutions. Trump can never be bigger than the Republican neither can Messi be bigger than Barcelona FC.

Without strong institutions like the political party and the likes, we ain't going anywhere.


God bless Nigeria



stfu
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Nobody: 9:07pm On Dec 03, 2019
I am getting a headache from the wrong usage of the word capitalism.

Capitalism is an economic system in which private individuals or businesses own capital goods. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the general market—known as a market economy—rather than through central planning—known as a planned economy or command economy.

The purest form of capitalism is free market or laissez-faire capitalism. Here, private individuals are unrestrained. They may determine where to invest, what to produce or sell, and at which prices to exchange goods and services. The laissez-faire marketplace operates without checks or controls.

Today, most countries practice a mixed capitalist system that includes some degree of government regulation of business and ownership of select industries.


https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalism.asp

There is no party in Nigeria that is against capitalism (free markets) to the best of my knowledge. Even in countries with strong social security systems capitalism is the at the core of their economies, albeit not in its pure (laissez-faire) form.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Venerable612(m): 9:08pm On Dec 03, 2019
safarigirl:


Ok.

I did not mean total communism, that is why I said 'at best', I meant parts of the ideology (controlling media for instance). Perhaps socialist was a better term to use.

Is there really free capitalism with APC?

Thanks for your correction, you could have been nicer about it though undecided

Smiles - I am sorry if I appeared harsh.

I understand why you think they are socialist or communist. Especially with the control of the media and all.

But the problem is that socialism and communism are quite extreme. If we were to present a moot point on this, you will hardly have practical examples to give.

See e.g. “Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.”

There is no strong ownership of anything or advocating of such by the APC government. What Buhari has done and seeks to achieve is to restrict people’s rights on speech - and that’s hardly socialism - because there is no ECONOMIC gain to it.

Socialism is as much an economic theory as it is a political theory.

On the other hand,

“Welfare state refers to a type of governing in which the national government plays a key role in the protection and promotion of the economic and social well-being of its citizens”.

That’s why they tend to want to carry everybody along with their policies (generally now, not just Buhari) - but they fail at it, because at the end, they still do that for their selfish reasons.
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by lucianohase(m): 9:11pm On Dec 03, 2019
Honestly. I don't think so! Especially this APC political shit party! Reason is, I have always thought that governance should be about improving the lives of the citizenry first but all I see is that some of these political parties are sheep in wolves clothes.

Imagine I came back from work, and I had to stop over at a particular bar to step down and ease myself of today's work pressure with good food and some bottles of beer . And immediately sat down, I saw an elderly retired woman who was looking so sad and tired drinking water with tears, I was troubled, couldn't stand the woman's tears and I worked up to her and asked her, 'mama whiy are you crying ?' , and she said she went to enquire whether her pension has been paid in from her bank and she was told no. I asked her where she worked before her retirement and she said she retired from a federal
University. Honestly, I lost my joy, I felt so bad seeing her in such a situation shading tears and I said to myself , 'what if this is your mother how would you feel,seeing the mother that brought you into this world shed tears like this because of NOVEMBER 2019 pension that hasn't been paid by this WICKED BUHARI ADMINISTRATION TILL NOW?'.

I was moved to give that mama some reasonable amount of money that I had on me, which was part of my relaxation money.

At the end, I had to drink two bottles instead of three and came back to my house. And ever since I came back I have been thinking and asking myself, is real governance about the selfish interests of political parties and people that those political parties brought to power or the citizenry?

To be honest, according to the woman she said the government has been paying even. before a month runs out but she feels the government has changed!.

So I feel that some of these political parties have HYPOCRITICAL IDEOLOGY. Otherwise I don't see the essence of delaying salaries and pentioneers benefits till now. This is bad!!
Re: Do Our Political Parties Have Ideologies? by Nobody: 9:16pm On Dec 03, 2019
Qadaffi2idiamin:
You need to learn...

Political parties are not institutions... They represent platforms for robbery.

The main institution here is your constitution which your president has great disregard and disdain for.

You are entitled to an opinion.

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