thinkmoney:

hmmm, thank u. I notice it's difficult to make him see reason. God help him

Maximus69:


Hairyrapunzel WAS a JW, he is self-centered and feels whatever rules binding on members is not for him so he WAS DISFELLOWSHIPED!

So there is NOTHING you can say to assist him, he is fully determined to kick against whatever JEHOVAH says, most especially if it's to govern his people as one.
He feels really bitter inside him like scattering God's people so that there won't be worshippers of the true God standing out as a unique group!

Hairyrapunzel:


But jehovah didn't ever condemn people who celebrated jesus christ when he was born nor was it ever written in his word that he condemned celebrating the birth of jesus .

Watchtower leaders said so. Or else you are saying your leaders are now jehovah.

You can't even provide proof that jehovah said such.

Hairyrapunzel:


Same to you.

khia:

The false Egyptian God Horus (birthday..Dec 25) was created thousands of years before the christian false deity Jesus was created.

Check this out, according to the history of the pagan god Horus, his mother gave a miraculous virgin birth, Horus was born in a manger in a stable with his mother ISIS next to him.

Horus was to be the savior of the world, the fighter of darkness, the light of the world. Does all of this sound familiar and mind you this story was created thousands of years before the story of your Jesus?

Boiz2men, this is only one opening there are many more.

Maximus69:


JEHOVAH have spoken THROUGH THE MOUTH OF HIS WITNESSES AND HIS ACTION but you people are BLIND and DEAF spiritually!

©Jehovah's Witnesses have been preaching and teaching throughout the earth regarding customs and traditions that irritates God.

©The month of December is peculiar to all sort of injurious things and disaster.

What else do you expect God to do if you people ignore his TRUE servants and other vivid signs around you?

Maximus69:


God's word was written to help believers know what they should and shouldn't do in the name of God!
The only thing wrong in idolatry is worshiping in the WRONG form. Humans were created with the inborn tendency to worship God. Satan capitalises on this to misdirect humans into doing what will annoy God and bring reproach on his holy name.
That's why God instructed the nation of Israel (the one and only nation he gave divine laws on how to please him in worship) not to copy any of the customs and traditions of the nations in their surrounding! Deuteronomy 11:32, 12:30

Birthday celebration is the custom of those pagan nations {Genesis 40:20} only God's enemies copy it from pagan nations {Matthew 14:6} you can't see any amongst God's faithful servants whether in the old or new Testament that engages in BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION

Before the arrival of Jesus Christ the Ecclesiaste said it's the day a man dies that's most important than the day of his birth! Ecclesiastes 7:1

To prove that he is hear to fulfill what was written before him {Matthew 5:17} Jesus' birthday was never celebrated by his parents, himself nor his followers. Jesus INSTRUCTED his followers to commemorate the day of his death NOT his birth! Luke 22:19-20

For us to know how to continue with the legacy they left behind, GOD made sure that after four Witnesses penned down the story of Jesus' life and ministry, God also made sure that another book was written called ACT OF APOSTLES According to the book the first century Christians NEVER thought of celebrating the BIRTH of Jesus!

So if anyone feels like celebrating the BIRTH of Jesus today, it's OK!
But believers IMITATING the faith of the early Christians will say "NO we are not interested!" Hebrew 13:7

God bless you!

Pistotita:


I appreciate this. Oh. It is nice you are an adventist. Seriously, I need an adventist to change my mind because I am having an encounter with one who does not portray anything I can call a daughter of God. I do not understand why the so called adventist always run away from discussing Jesus and Holy Spirit. Even if the adventists do not believe in trinity, it is fine. I just want to know the truth. I am hungry for knowledge; therefore, I do not criticize. And I may find you guys interesting and even start worshipping with you occassionally. I really do not discrininate.

In regards to the bolded area, how can you say the story of hell and heaven is not abstract? Of course it is. The challenge with most christians is that they try choking in the throats of others their conviction. Well, I am a christian....and you should read my thread in the religious section. But I am realistic. Everything is abstract.

Let me shock you. Bible is made with nornal ink on pieces of paper sown or glued together. It is just like the normal textbooks I used from my elementary to the university. Lol. Guy, if I use it today to clean my bom bom, nothing will happen to me. Same with Quran and all other religious books.

But guess what! That glued pieces of paper can be powerful, but only when the breath of life is on it. Bam! It becomes alive and real. Go and read the book of John where Jesus is revealed as the word. Those pieces of paper must receive life to be active. And then, they become active. But it is based on the subject using the pieces of paper. The same pieces of paper used by Subject A can be fire, while they remain the same pieces of paper in the hand of subject B. It is why I do not believe in the doctrine of preservation of items or materials used by great men. That is idolatory in my world.

So, I believe that revelation is the only way these teachings can be real. Therefore, to make sense to my readers, I always use simple ways. I let them know that these issues are abstract, but they can be real. So, they are abstract sir. And they will remain so till the breath of life comes on them.

I read everything you posted. And I still want to learn more. I wish you can open a thread on these topics. And maybe more adventists can come out. I want to know why they observe Sabbath day. Though, I have nothing against it. The recent debate of whether it is good to celebrate Xmas or not is just in-line with what I am trying to know. But guess what, I love the response of Sam Adeyemi of Day Star. He said that the western world who brought christianity are enjoying electricity 24/7 even during this period because they concentrate on what are important, while we are here debating whether we should eat Xmas meat or not. Lol. And he finished his response by saying "May sense fall on us". Lol. That is a realistic man. I love him. Will anyone go to hell fire by believing there is hell or not? I am still asking. Is it a criterion for salvation? And like I said, if your opponent faces you that the fire is going to burn forever, you will just wonder what is up. And since the Adventist does not even know when the fire willl stop, .....come on! But let us be really realistic....does it make sense to keep laying strong emphasis that there is fire somewhere which will burn people when they die at the point of winning their souls?

I was traveling to another state recently in a public bus and this guy who was behind me started preaching just when I was receiving an important call. He was shouting. And I quickly waved at him that he should please lower his voice that the call is important. Do you know what this guy did? He started shouting who am I to stop the gospel of the most high God. That there is hell. People will burn there. Bla bla bla. He was cursing everyone in the bus, and even spoke against Islam. I saw the faces of the moslim folks there...so red. They almost exploded, but thank God for patience. How can anyone want to preach and be shouting people he is trying to preach to will rot in hell. I found if funny. And this is the way almost all these street evangelists behave with their useless sound system shouting people will rot in hell. What is wrong in passing the gospel of love? Why can't they focus on love? Oh....John 3.16....and they leave out "love", but concentrate on the word "perish". This is my point.

Yeah! I want to understand more about Adventist. I want to believe it is not a sect because to me these people look gentle. And i think Ben Carson is one too. Even, the presidents' pastor, Billy Graham said "They are sound on the great New Testament doctrines including grace and redemption through the vicarious offering of Jesus Christ 'once for all' ". I truly want to believe this.

I will look into the links you have posted again. God bless you sir.

blueAgent:


Pistotita

I forgot to add, on the issue of Christmas, the Bible did not record the exact day Jesus was born neither did the Bible tell us to celebrate it.
The truth is that Christmas has pagan origins. but my personal view is that the Churches should inform their congregations about the true origin of Christmas celebration. It should be up to the members or individuals to decide if they would honour the birth of Jesus on 25th or not.

Just like apostle Paul urged Christians to do.

Romans 14:5.
One man esteems one day above another: another esteems
every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own
mind.

I don't think God will cast people to Hell for celebrating Jesus on the 25th of December.

Ellen G white one of the pioneer's of Adventist Church, she advised members to reflect on the importance of the celebration which is Christ rather than to focus on the day of birth she also asked members to use that period to show love and gratitude to one another and to God

osazsky:
I ask u again do u know how many rapists and killers were born on d same day christ was born,leave us to celebrate him,or is it only jesus that was born on that day mumu is it ur jesus leave our jesus for us. grow up

mhizv:


Delta State

DateMynd44:
where precisely in Delta are u?

mhizv:


Uhh warri

mhizv:


Uhh warri

mhizv:


Uhh warri

imolile:
Legalism is the problems of Nigerian churches, most people have not heard that word before
Legalism (or nomism), in Christian theology, is the act of putting law above gospel by establishing requirements for salvation beyond repentance and faith in Jesus Christ and reducing the broad, inclusive and general precepts of the Bible to narrow and rigid moral codes.
We don't do this and we don't do that is human attempt to attain holiness or righteousness by mere works,
Sometimes the strictness imposed on people tends to rob people oF true Christianity which is more about the saving of the souls of men
In the course of Practicing legalism, many of the men have sent a wrong message about Jesus to the world
these seclusion that made people to differentiate themselves in most cases is not of God
Christians are to be Lights in the worLd,
Light does not shout,
Light shines.
these Legalism is like shouting and it makes us worse than Judaism
this is the point where the Jews were when Jesus Came
Christianity is more than all these, you can bring people out of ignorance only by loving them not by legalistic seclusion

Actually Legalist are the most of all hypocrites because they cannot keep up with true legalism
God Condemns all man in one statement Roman 3:10 , Isaiah 64: 6
It is Only Jesus who qualifies to attain Gods righteousness and we must come through Him

malvisguy212:
there is more work to be done than merriment .

Sunnycliff:
My church deeper life does not celebrate it cos it has no scriptural injunction or biblical basis.

FullBlastLight:


...bt d Bible says, a merry heart doeth good like medicine!

malvisguy212:
True that my brother.... but our context of merriment is different

FullBlastLight:




U're not incorrrect, though!

malvisguy212:
Yes. we cannot Seat down eat , celebrate and relax while the sons of men go on PERDITION. the Gospel must be preach before the enemy get to the lost first.

Kobojunkie:
Even Jesus Christ did seat, eat, and relax, so are you insinuating that Jesus Christ did not know what you claim to know?

malvisguy212:
Luke 7:34

jcross19:
hypocrites in the church of God well the same churches are worshipping on Sunday which has demonic root! some church leaders are just bunch of Pharisee.