asha 80:

well most often than not

So money is more important than their lives?!That's sad.Should igbos in the east even mind them when they get massacred then?

Ola edo:

So money is more important than their lives?!That's sad.Should igbos in the east even mind them when they get massacred then?

when you travel to the north to do something and you get caught up the any mayhem ask this question again.

eku_bear:

I read that book myself on Google books less than 3 months ago. The creation of the Hausa district in Ibadan was fully supported (and in fact instigated by!) the Hausa community there.

If you read the book thoroughly, you will find the yorubas instigated and most likely started it. hausas were accused of being troublesome burglars.  its on page 104.
on page 106, it talks about how yoruba landowners extracted very high rents on hausas and placed high fees on their trade. it also talked about how the decision for the Hausas to be "confined to a settlement" was taken. Hausas who traded outside of these confines were fined!! it's all on page 106. The yoruba arguement was that hausas were thieves and burglars.
Of course the Hausas also claimed that the settlement creation was their idea. it benefitted them also because it limits yoruba harrassments. and it was nice for them to be their own masters in their own settlements.

Ola edo:

In other words,those zombies are staying there because of money.

You must be a zombie to reason this way

Jenifa_:

If you read the book thoroughly, you will find the yorubas instigated and most likely started it. hausas were accused of being troublesome burglars. its on page 104.
on page 106, it talks about how yoruba landowners extracted very high rents on hausas and placed high fees on their trade. it also talked about how the decision for the Hausas to be "confined to a settlement" was taken. Hausas who traded outside of these confines were fined!! it's all on page 106. The yoruba arguement was that hausas were thieves and burglars.
Of course the Hausas also claimed that the settlement creation was their idea. it benefitted them also because it limits yoruba harrassments. and it was nice for them to be their own masters in their own settlements.

I thought the bolded were Ibos and Edo/Delta peeps.

Jenifa_:

If you read the book thoroughly, you will find the yorubas instigated and most likely started it. hausas were accused of being troublesome burglars.  its on page 104.
on page 106, it talks about how yoruba landowners extracted very high rents on hausas and placed high fees on their trade. it also talked about how the decision for the Hausas to be "confined to a settlement" was taken. Hausas who traded outside of these confines were fined!! it's all on page 106. The yoruba arguement was that hausas were thieves and burglars.
Of course the Hausas also claimed that the settlement creation was their idea. it benefitted them also because it limits yoruba harrassments. and it was nice for them to be their own masters in their own settlements.

You are wrong. Read pages 106-109. See who caused the Hausa crime wave in order to get a Hausa settlement and limit the entry of Yoruba into the cattle business.

For anyone else interested, here is a link to the book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=orO0DRiPvGMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Customs+and+politics+in+urban+Africa:+A+study+of+Hausa+migrants+in+Yoruba&source=bl&ots=eKVT22Vm36&sig=sVw79rilM9AYjvXXUeCg5b8JtCM&hl=en&ei=wUAiTc3jL4O8lQfZxZnMCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

eku_bear:

You are wrong. Read pages 106-109. See who caused the Hausa crime wave in order to get a Hausa settlement and limit the entry of Yoruba into the cattle business.

I really don't know what your point is. what do you mean by "who caused the crime wave"?  pls tell us who "caused" it. 
The fact of the matter is that the hausas were harrased in the yoruba town. Even if they had asked for their settlement, it was because they were trying to get away from these harrasments. Another of their mechanisms is to increase their religious participation and cultural solidarity in order to emphasize the difference between them and yorubas. This is true for many immigrant settlements around the world especially when the settlers are being harassed. They develop a mechanism against it such as taking refuge in their culture and becoming more cultural and resisting assimilation to separate themselves.

the idea that the crime wave was to get a settlement and limit entry into cattle business is solely your own theory. this is not supported by the book at all.  how does petty burglary limit yoruba entry into cattle business? The hausas didn't have to do anything to limit yoruba entry into cattle business. The cattles were coming from the north and hausas were the natural middlemen. There was absolutely no competition there!!

olabukola:

I thought the bolded were Ibos and Edo/Delta peeps.

that's interesting. what years and states?

Jenifa_:

I really don't know what your point is. what do you mean by "who caused the crime wave"?  pls tell us who "caused" it. 
The fact of the matter is that the hausas were harrased in the yoruba town. Even if they had asked for their settlement, it was because they were trying to get away from these harrasments. Another of their mechanisms is to increase their religious participation to increase solidarity and emphasize the difference between them and yorubas. This is true for many immigrant settlements around the world especially when the settlers are being harassed. They develop a mechanism against it such as taking refuge in their culture and becoming more cultural and resisting assimilation to separate themselves.

the idea that the crime wave was to get a settlement and limit entry into cattle business is solely your own theory. this is not supported by the book at all.  how does petty burglary limit yoruba entry into cattle business? The hausas didn't have to do anything to limit yoruba entry into cattle business. The cattles were coming from the north and hausas were the natural middlemen. There was absolutely no competition there!!

From what i read, the yorubas along with the british put the Hausa into a settlement. Before the settlement the hausa were being usfairly treated and ripped off by the yorubas from the beginning.However, the hausa also brought prostitution and other criminal acts with them as time went on. The hausas limited no one into the cattle business.

Ola edo:

From what i read, the yorubas along with the british put the Hausa into a settlement. Before the settlement the hausa were being usfairly treated and ripped off by the yorubas from the beginning.However, the hausa also brought prostitution and other criminal acts with them as time went on. The hausas limited no one into the cattle business.

yup that's what I read too.

i wonder what eku-bear is reading the way he's developing his own twists and theories.

Jenifer:

The links below are for you and your ignorant claims. Perhaps you can gain some enlightenment after reading them that hausas/fulani live in the EAST and that not just Igbos, but any christian (both Northern and Southern) are killed in the North by muslims. Ask any Igbo person you know what  ama awusa and [b]gariki [/b]mean in Igboland. Fulani cattle rearers are all over the remote villages in Igboland. Most (99.9%) of security men in well-to-do private homes and large markets in Igboland are northerners. Just go to Onitsha and Ariaria markets to see.

1. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-270768.0.html
2. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-389287.0.html
3. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-202086.0.html
4. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-261899.0.html
5. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-385636.0.html
6. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-451709.0.html
7. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46741.0.html
8. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-202599.0.html
9. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-202071.0.html
10. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-401332.0.html
11. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-405771.0.html

^go back and read my posts well. not the first post but the subsequent ones.
you didn't have to go compiling threads. that's wasted time and effort on your part because I won't be clicking on any of them.

Jenifa_:

^go back and read my posts well. not the first post but the subsequent ones.
you didn't have to go compiling threads. that's wasted time and effort on your part because I won't be clicking on any of them.

Then stop exhibiting crass ignorance. It pays you not to misinform the unwary, although I believe you are the only ignorant one on this matter. People like me are here to put misinformers in their place.

@Jenifa_ and @Ola edo: My reading is quite different. The Yoruba there charged a lot in rent, Hausa didn't want to pay it anymore, worked to achieve their own settlement, used a crime wave to achieve this.

If my interpretation is different from yours, so be it. We can agree to disagree.

eku_bear:

@Jenifa_ and @Ola edo: My reading is quite different. The Yoruba there charged a lot in rent, Hausa didn't want to pay it anymore, worked to achieve their own settlement, used a crime wave to achieve this.

If my interpretation is different from yours, so be it. We can agree to disagree.

You should take Stephen Speilberg's job. We don't have to agree to disagree brother.You've posted the pages already, so the facts are there. Where did it say that they worked to achieve their own settlement though? Also, it didn't say the yorubas charged a lot of rent and the hausas couldn't pay it so,  What it said was the yorubas charged THEM(the hausas) a lot of rent and kept increasing it, ripping them off.


It(the settlement) was more like a be careful what you wish for thing.

omongbatic:

Then stop exhibiting crass ignorance. It pays you not to misinform the unwary, although I believe you are the only ignorant one on this matter. People like me are here to put misinformers in their place.

says the guy with username: "omongbatic"