Lukuluku69:


Before the advent of the Arabian Prophet, any man who can live true to the teachings of his home Prophet has definetely grasp a good stronghold. So, The Zoroastrians Magi who came calling at Jesus crib (they were looking for that Last Prophet and they only saw a babe they left otherwise they would have cling to him. They were looking for a Man who will upturn their corrupt faith and set them aright) they found it in Islam who upturn the Magian Faith and convert them all. Google the story of Persia.
Before The Arabian Prophet if there be an Hindu, Jew, African or any other Nation of the world who live by the dictates of his home prophet in it's PRISTINE STATE, Then there is a Spiritual Truth therein but once that Messenger and Servant comes (Isaiah 60) bros, you are to leave everything and follow him.

I quote from the Bible the words of God and His Prophets what I lambast are words of Men.

And you are right, JW are close minded people. You believe God spoke only to the Israelites. In the Hindu Scripture, they call people like you NAMUCHI: An Evil Spirit that witholds Rain and by extension any own who holds the view that God only talked or is revealed in their Nation only.
You will find Muslims quoting from ALL BOOKS but you close minded people deters to the Israelites version only.

Lukuluku69:


Before the advent of the Arabian Prophet, any man who can live true to the teachings of his home Prophet has definetely grasp a good stronghold. So, The Zoroastrians Magi who came calling at Jesus crib (they were looking for that Last Prophet and they only saw a babe they left otherwise they would have cling to him. They were looking for a Man who will upturn their corrupt faith and set them aright) they found it in Islam who upturn the Magian Faith and convert them all. Google the story of Persia.
Before The Arabian Prophet if there be an Hindu, Jew, African or any other Nation of the world who live by the dictates of his home prophet in it's PRISTINE STATE, Then there is a Spiritual Truth therein but once that Messenger and Servant comes (Isaiah 60) bros, you are to leave everything and follow him.

I quote from the Bible the words of God and His Prophets what I lambast are words of Men.

And you are right, JW are close minded people. You believe God spoke only to the Israelites. In the Hindu Scripture, they call people like you NAMUCHI: An Evil Spirit that witholds Rain and by extension any own who holds the view that God only talked or is revealed in their Nation only.
You will find Muslims quoting from ALL BOOKS but you close minded people deters to the Israelites version only.

Lukuluku69:


Ode agba, that Verse was directed to the pagan Arabs who doubts the Prophet and the next verse say those Pagan Arabs should approach the Jews and the Christians if indeed any mention of one like Muhammad was made in their scriptures.
As a close minded JW Programmed Bot, busy youself with the next verse or are you an Arab?
Let start with Isaiah 40 and 60. Shall we?

DappaD:


Lukuluku69, MUSLIMS are not the only people who believe that truth is relative.
I've heard clergymen of Christendom say that there are some things their Daddy G.O will tell them that they'll disagree with him on the issue of truth. Yes clergymen as well and other religionists in the factions of different religions believe truth is relative. That's why if you check very well , you LOT are always in confusion .
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in only the BIBLE as the only Inspired Word of God. The rest of you in other religions wouldn't like something like this so there's no need explaining it to you.

When Jesus said at John 14:6
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”
Do you think Jesus was joking here? Or that he was being close-minded and arrogant? YES you will see it that and tag this one ‘words of men’ because it doesn't agree with your forged religion.

Maximus69:


Abegi all this are fabrications Sir!

You've said God sent messengers to all races so there is no need of last Prophet coming from any special race.

So forget about Israelites, Jews or Arabs, stick to those sent to your own race!

Maximus69:

@ bolded Lukuluku69!
Do you want to lie about the verse? So the verse wasn't talking about Muhammad shey?

Lukuluku69:

Forget what those Charlatan says (G.Os) the Bible, does it agree that Jehovah talked to others aside the Israelites? Answer with Scriptures. Of All Books, Quran ALONE says others have Warners. Quran ALONE
Jesus also said he was sent to the Losts of the house of Israel ONLY. Did you miss that part? Or you guy edited that one out too?

Lukuluku69:

Forget what those Charlatan says (G.Os)
the Bible, does it agree that Jehovah talked to others aside the Israelites? Answer with Scriptures. Of All Books, Quran ALONE says others have Warners. Quran ALONE
Jesus also said he was sent to the Losts of the house of Israel ONLY. Did you miss that part? Or you guy edited that one out too?

Maximus69:


Abegi all this are fabrications Sir!

You've said God sent messengers to all races so there is no need of last Prophet coming from any special race.

So forget about Israelites, Jews or Arabs, stick to those sent to your own race!

Lukuluku69:


Isaiah 60. The gathering of the people is for him and he is from the Tents of KEDAR/KEIDAR (AN ARAB)

DappaD:

[s]Please why will I forget ?
Isn't rottennaija part of those people you tagged ‘Charlatan’ just now?[/s]

Lukuluku69:

It was for the doubting Pagan Arabs. Are you one?

Lukuluku69:


Isaiah 60. The gathering of the people is for him and he is from the Tents of KEDAR/KEIDAR (AN ARAB)

DappaD:


Stop quoting from the Bible and let's see if your forged religion can stand.

DappaD:

Please why will I forget ?
Isn't rottennaija part of those people you tagged ‘Charlatan’ just now?

Lukuluku69:


Isaiah 60. The gathering of the people is for him and he is from the Tents of KEDAR/KEIDAR (AN ARAB)

Maximus69:


No the Bible book of Isaiah is not part of scriptures the Scribes have manipulated!

@Isaiah 9:6 said A son is born and his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace!

So it's about who Sir?

DappaD:


I don't want to believe that Lululuku69 and the rest of his militant brothers believe that the ‘darkness’ at Isaiah 60:2 is referring to the darkness their ancestor Muhammad was talking about?
Something that has already been understood to be the spiritual darkness the Jews faced after Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE and also the darkness the anointed Christians faced when the preaching work was halted in 1919CE!

Please correct me if I'm wrong on the above regarding the ‘darkness’ Muhammad talked about.

But when will these Muslims understand that everything in the Bible is only meant to be understood by God's people — Jehovah's Witnesses?

DappaD:



Boss Primesky calm down let's discuss nah

1. Primesky : If you stay away from what you don't know or at least be humble enough to ask questions, will they change your name?. Always quick to utter invectives at others.

DappaD : When you tell me who made you owner of Nairaland, I won't quote you again. In as much as I may not know anything, like you said, there's absolutely nothing I can learn from you.




2. Primesky : Before man sinned in the garden of Eden, was there corruption/death of the flesh of man?. Answer the question!.

DappaD : Yes Adam, even though perfect, had a corruptible body.
However, his perfect body was not to decay/corrupt/die until he sinned. When he sinned, he became a slave to corruption. Then he passed on that “enslavement to corruption” to all his earthly descendants including you and I (Romans 5:12, 8:20-22)

Let me put it better to understand. When Adam sinned, he began aging and then sickness and other health issues spawned as well — which corresponds to this “enslavement to corruption” — Romans 8:20-22


3. Primesky : Sin brought death to man and the world at large. Jesus brought life, and was the first to assume this new body by which also he promised those who believe in him that this will also be granted to them.

DappaD : Yes yes you got it. Romans 5:12, John 3:16, 1John 5:13
On the matter of who gets the prize of immortality, that's a whole other discussion altogether.

Jehovah God has been immortal from time indefinite (Psalm 90:2,Timothy 1:17, Revelation 15:3)
Jesus after he conquered the world received the prize of immortality. (Romans 6:9) That's why he is the only other person other than Jehovah who has immortality (1Timothy 6:15,16 , Hebrews 7:15,16)
Only anointed Christians who number a 144,000 according to Revelation 7:4, 14:1-3 will receive the prize of immortality after they have conquered the world as well — 1Corinthians 15:42-54, Revelation 3:21 – so that the total number of 144,000 will rule as kings and priests along with Jesus in the Millennium (1Peter 1:3-4, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 20:4,6)


4. Primesky : Tell us, would Adam and Eve have experienced death/corruption if they hadn't sinned against God's word, though they're were flesh. Answer this question before you shake off your head and call others clown.

DappaD : See Number 2.



BOTTOM LINE :
A PERFECT body isn't the same as an IMMORTAL body. A perfect body is not a slave to corruption. An imperfect body is a slave to corruption.
Meanwhile, an immortal body is indestructible and cannot see corruption whatsoever the case. That's why the angels in heaven aren't immortals. If the angels were immortals then it would impossible for Satan and his demons to be destroyed (Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8, Revelation 20:10)

Primesky:



Good!. I like your civility. This is more like how we should talk.

I'll only focus on your number 2.

You differentiated between perfect body and incorruptible body. Please tell me how that's possible as at the time God made Adam and Eve?. You're saying invariably, that even without sinning, Adam and Eve would have become sick and die as well?, which is not what God said!. Was there sickness to make them imperfect at that time?, when God finished His creation work, what was His own verdict?, He said every thing was good!. Point out one area of imperfection at that time prior to the fall of man?. Sin was the originator of all imperfections. God said, the day they eat of that tree they'll die, as sin will step in to corrupt the soul and destroy the body.

Secondly, God made man as flesh from the dust,and breathed his spirit in man to become a living soul. If man doesn't have that body, he's incomplete, because God made him a tripartite being (consisting of body soul and spirit)

Angels are just spirits, man has a spirit dwelling in a body. If this flesh we now have has been subjected to death and destruction, what other body does man need to put on to be the creature God originally made him to be?. A new glorified body, higher and incorruptible need to be given to him, but that will happen only when the sin problem which has further corrupted his soul has been dealt with. That's what Jesus demonstrated when He rose again from death. If any man dies physically without dealing with the sin problem through Jesus Christ, he does not qualify to receive this new body, he will remain a lost soul to be cast out forever.

Furthermore, if anybody claims that Jesus didn't rise bodily but spiritually, my question to that person is:

1. Does a spirit die, to warrant a resurrection of the spirit?. In the case of Jesus christ, is such a person saying that the spirit of Jesus was killed on the cross and then he rose again?.

2. What was buried in the tomb was a corruptible body lacerated with injuries, blood and scares. If they say Jesus didn't rise bodily, where went that body, as it wasn't seen when the tomb was opened by the angels. Did the angels steal the flesh away, and let the spirit of Jesus to walk about, and this spirit of Jesus has scares and can be touched by men?.

Can you or anyone with the believe that Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead explain the above?.


See, let me tell you. If anyone says that Jesus didn't rise bodily, that person is subtly saying Jesus didn't have the power to conquer death, as the only way to do that is to actually rise with the body death has destroyed. This believe is what the devil strongly promotes, because it puts the Christians authority over him in doubt, which is not the case.

Any spirit, group or organization that supports the claim that Christ did not come/rise in the flesh is against Christ, because that group or person is saying Jesus didn't do what he said he would.

Jesus said -- Destroy this temple (body) and after three days I will rebuild it.

Emphasis on this temple, can anyone, human beings for that matter, destroy the spirit?, no! So he was talking about the flesh, and he did rebuild it after three days, however, he did a more glorious work on this new body making it incorruptible.

Don't let no one deceive you.

Primesky:



Good!. I like your civility. This is more like how we should talk.

I'll only focus on your number 2.

You differentiated between perfect body and incorruptible body. Please tell me how that's possible as at the time God made Adam and Eve?. You're saying invariably, that even without sinning, Adam and Eve would have become sick and die as well?, which is not what God said!. Was there sickness to make them imperfect at that time?, when God finished His creation work, what was His own verdict?, He said every thing was good!. Point out one area of imperfection at that time prior to the fall of man?. Sin was the originator of all imperfections. God said, the day they eat of that tree they'll die, as sin will step in to corrupt the soul and destroy the body.

Secondly, God made man as flesh from the dust,and breathed his spirit in man to become a living soul. If man doesn't have that body, he's incomplete, because God made him a tripartite being (consisting of body soul and spirit)

Angels are just spirits, man has a spirit dwelling in a body. If this flesh we now have has been subjected to death and destruction, what other body does man need to put on to be the creature God originally made him to be?. A new glorified body, higher and incorruptible need to be given to him, but that will happen only when the sin problem which has further corrupted his soul has been dealt with. That's what Jesus demonstrated when He rose again from death. If any man dies physically without dealing with the sin problem through Jesus Christ, he does not qualify to receive this new body, he will remain a lost soul to be cast out forever.

Furthermore, if anybody claims that Jesus didn't rise bodily but spiritually, my question to that person is:

1. Does a spirit die, to warrant a resurrection of the spirit?. In the case of Jesus christ, is such a person saying that the spirit of Jesus was killed on the cross and then he rose again?.

2. What was buried in the tomb was a corruptible body lacerated with injuries, blood and scares. If they say Jesus didn't rise bodily, where went that body, as it wasn't seen when the tomb was opened by the angels. Did the angels steal the flesh away, and let the spirit of Jesus to walk about, and this spirit of Jesus has scares and can be touched by men?.

Can you or anyone with the believe that Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead explain the above?.


See, let me tell you. If anyone says that Jesus didn't rise bodily, that person is subtly saying Jesus didn't have the power to conquer death, as the only way to do that is to actually rise with the body death has destroyed. This believe is what the devil strongly promotes, because it puts the Christians authority over him in doubt, which is not the case.

Any spirit, group or organization that supports the claim that Christ did not come/rise in the flesh is against Christ, because that group or person is saying Jesus didn't do what he said he would.

Jesus said -- Destroy this temple (body) and after three days I will rebuild it.

Emphasis on this temple, can anyone, human beings for that matter, destroy the spirit?, no! So he was talking about the flesh, and he did rebuild it after three days, however, he did a more glorious work on this new body making it incorruptible.

Don't let no one deceive you.

Maximus69:


I know one young Islamic cleric named "Jamiu Adégúnwà", it's whatever he tells them that they believe as truth. This young guy just want to enrich himself from the gullible adherents. He knew the cherry picking so well, even when you ask his followers to correlate what he quoted for them with other chapters of the same Bible book, they'll start arguing blindly as if the chapter was written in isolation!

DappaD:


I see
Later the Lululuku69 will say JW's are brainwashed by elders not to go to war.
The IRONY

sacajawea:

Sorry to ask, was it a Sexual Relationship?
Was she really an Active JW

Theevilone:


Not yet, we are far from each other but I didn't meet her a virgin

Maximus69:


Student of Jamiu Adégúnwà!

It's either you quote the messengers sent to your own race or we find out which race God chose between Israelites and Arabs.
You can't eat your cake and still have it!

DappaD:


Stop quoting from the Bible and let's see if your forged religion can stand.

Lukuluku69:


I have never listened nor seen any of the one you mentioned. I am student of Ahmad Deedat.

I know you have been fed the Lie that God chooses Races. In Islam, ALL are equal before God. That said, the Israel/Jews you worship are called REPROBATES by The Same God who you claimed choose them.

The Arabs are not a Choosen People the way you lots take the Israelites.

I quote your Book because you claimed to believe in it, were you Hindu, I know what to quote.

Isaiah 60 confirms the Prophethood of Muhammad. Unlike what your elders do, I am challenging to interprete Isaiah 60.

Maximus69:


That verse was specifically for Muhammad Sir!

But i'll get the correct translation of the Qur'an!

Maximus69:


I thought Muhammad is from Saudi Arabia, each morning it's the Arabian language you guys use in praying and calling your folks for prayers, they taught you to bow down towards Mecca where the Kabah stone is, you must travel to Mecca if you have the money, even your profile name on Nairaland is Arabic not that of your own race yet you're saying "God didn't choose any race"

Please what else do you expect if God will choose a race jare?

Lukuluku69:


My mistake on this one. Yes that verse was directed at the Prophet. So, what about it?

Lukuluku69:


Is it not in your Bible that a Time will come when the Believers will worship God in/with one consent? You believe Jesus will soon come with a Unique Language.

God chooses whom He wills. The fact that Arabic is used in our worship doesn't elevate the Arabs over others. Only God consciousness.