weyreypey:


And private universities?

seunmsg:


Same way you and I didn’t employ, vote in board members or invest in corporate organizations. Yet, they submit their accounts to government for scrutiny annually. So, why the double standard? Why should corporate private organizations open their books to government while NGOs like churches and mosques are exempted?

1StopRudeness:


I’m curious... what accountability are u expecting from all religious bodies...?? Or maybe just the church since that’s where ur emphasis is...


U don’t even know ur right enough to demand it from your government... but you want a church that collects 100naira offering to be accountable to you??.... i now understand why the government keeps screwingg us every 4 years

bigpicture001:


Leme ask you a very simple question........

If you wouldnt tax them ,to what end is your allocation of huge resources to audit a firms account...to settle relationship problem..?

chriskosherbal:
The church will always WIN.

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

Evercurious:


And do individuals pay tithes offerings or raise free will donations to those companies? [s]You sont ever make sense in your comments and I never see those as a surprise..[/s]

Well we all know that it wont work

Good night

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

Grandeza:
well said, some people don't just get it, this is just the beginning.

Miracle1991:
where did you see Mailafiya been charged for hate speech? If they charge you for fake news now you will start crying . Mailafiya was never charge for hate speech. Pls stop talking nonsense.

Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

eaz:
I respond to those querying whether churches are actually regulated abroad. All Nigerian church franchises abroad are regulated by the government. Their audited finances are made public and are verified by the government. Please find examples below:

https://www.thecable.ng/uk-charity-commission-indicts-christ-embassy-of-fraud

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy

For those that do not understand, the UK charity commission is the body responsible for ensuring that all registered charities like churches, mosques and NGOs are run transparently.

https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details?regid=1147718&subid=0 This is Living Faith Church UK audited accounts made public on a website where any church member can access.
https://www.herald.ng/winners-chapel-london-uk-charities-commission-exonerates-living-faith-worldwide/ They were subject of investigation by this same agency some years back and were exonerated.

https://www.thecable.ng/flashback-uk-commission-appointed-interim-managers-mfm-christ-embassy
http://saharareporters.com/2020/08/20/mountain-fire-ministries-still-under-interim-management-%E2%80%94uk-charity-commission This is Mountain of Fire and Miracles story with the same UK Charity commission

https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?subid=0&regid=1084767
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pentecostal-churchs-bank-account-frozen-by-charity-commission-amid-serious-regulatory-concern/128877.htm This is RCCG in UK.

https://www.charitydata.ca/charity/the-redeemed-christian-church-of-god-canada-rccg-canada/867372567RR0001/ This is the Charity data for Canada,

If you know any website in Nigeria that can give this kind of data for any religious organisation or NGO, please feel free to share!

dalass:


Their 30k have been decimated by inflation yet they're still defending the evil polities and the totally insensitive government!

porka:


Do you know the meaning of disingenuous or you think you know it?

Find a quote from the referenced post below:



Then answer the simple question and stop the blabs.

Name the agency responsible for regulating churches in the United State of America?

If you need help don't hesitate to ask.

Thank you.

shadeyinka:

What does the military do?
They train to hunt and destroy! LOL!!

PrincessC11:
Please I have a question:
Please what's the advantages or importance of a religious body registering under the government?

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

Goke7:


nobody is taxing the church but churches are doing many businesses underground that is not accounted for so its high time we separate the church itself from the businesses they run.

Most camp grounds operated by churches rent out rooms at hourly or daily rates, is that not business that must be accounted for? or do they give out dividends to their members who contributed funds for the building of these camp grounds in the first place, guy so many questions to ask.

The era or narrative that it's the work of God so we should not ask questions is over o

PrincessC11:
Please I have a question:
Please what's the advantages or importance of a religious body registering under the government?


Quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=93100486]Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Tango123:


Can u compare the efficiency and efficacy of uk govt to Nigerian govt.

The YK govt put its own house in order, before they began to regulate chirches and NGOs. Nigerian govt is full of scam. I will never trust them with anything. Unless i hv no option

seunmsg:


As par the part in bold, what difference does it make whether the money was donated or earned? Anyway, there is no law against donations to corporate organizations in as much as they make full disclosure. Some years back, we all contribute N50 each to save Daar communications (AIT and Raypower) from liquidation. So you see, you have no point.

ekerintee:
I don't really know the full detail of the CAMA law.but I think in some countries like Germany ,religious organization must be registered and their finances are being monitored and audited by government.This is because they are exempted from tax and so the government have to know what they generate in the church .The Church cannot spend money any how .I think its a good law but it's not practicable in naija .the reason is because the church are supported by government Financialy in some countries but such is not the case in naija.for now,I don't think naija is ripe for this kind thing

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Thereishel:


It's Satanic and islamic agenda. In most countries western countries included apart from islamic nations there are always separation of church from state. What is business of terrorist administration/government with churches. We never see this before in Nigeria. God would deliver us from this anti-Christ government IJN

Evercurious:



Oga abeg I jump pass your low and ridiculous level of reasoning.. you hear.. Dear communication and church naa the same thing? Company dey die and solicited that the public come to their aid and you equate it to a church where people go to worship their God and in turn pay their tithe and offerings etc? Pls get behind me..