jesusjnr2020:
Who Were Those Wise Men From The East?

Matthew 2:1-2 (KJV)

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Now not much was said about these wise men, but there must have been something unusual about them to have been able to know about the birth of Jesus, and then come all the way down from the East just to worship Him. Because even those that were in the land where Jesus was born didn't even know about His birth that the news about Jesus birth appeared to surprise them.

Matthew 2:3-6 (KJV)

When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

So not just the King, but even the chief priests and scribes of the people, who knew what was said concerning Him by the prophet, were unaware that the King of the Jews had been born. But the wise men from the East knew and they had come all the way from the East to worship Him. And they kept following His star which they had seen in the East, until it brought them to the place where the little child was.

Matthew 2:10-11 (KJV)

When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

So who were these wise men who had knowledge of the birth of Jesus the King of the Jews and the promised Messiah, that would compel them to come all the way from the East so that they would worship Him?

From the little said concerning them, the wise men were without a doubt prophet or men of God, whom God had sent from the East, to pay His only begotten Son a respect worthy of not just a king but the King of Kings, despite that He was yet a little child and lay in a lowly manger.

For it's not that easy for grown-up men to bow down and worship their fellow man, how much more a baby who lay in a lowly manger?

But this particular gesture of the wise men to baby Jesus, gives an idea of the spiritual level that these men walked in despite not emerging from the nation of Israel. They more or less acted like little children of whom Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of God." Matthew 10:14

So God was the One that revealed those things about baby Jesus to the "babes" also known as the wise men from the East, and had used a star to guide them to where baby Jesus was at the time of His birth, even the star which they followed until they got to where the baby was.

It was the same God that revealed to them the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus, that appeared to them in a dream to warn them about not getting back to King Herod concerning their discovery because he had ulterior motives concerning the new born King.

Matthew 2:12 (KJV)

And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

So the wise men had obeyed the voice of God who sent them there and departed back to the East where they had come from through another way, after accomplishing the task that God had given them concerning His only begotten Son Jesus who was born in a manger.

And Jesus grew up to become a Man Mighty both in the Word and Works of God, that He'd without a shadow of a doubt, became the greatest and most influential Man to ever grace this planet. Hence He has worshipped by many a men after He grew up and became the man that He was, and that has continued unabated up til this very day.

However only a few men could ever boast of falling down and worshipping Jesus while He still a baby and yet lay in a lowly manger, when He hadn't accomplished any of those feats.

And they were the wise men from the East.

God bless.

who else if not the igbos,as wise people,igbos knew before Jesus was born that he will be a great man,so igbos came from the east to be friends with Jesus.
When igbos saw Mohammed's star,they knew a terrorist is born,they rejected him till today.
The same way they saw buhari's star and warned other naive Nigerians.

Kobojunkie:

Now, I won't go as far as declaring it the first religion but yes, it redates Judaism, yes.

the first religion is sun worship by the early Sumerians before Abraham.
Nimrod and semiramis modified it,the papacy continued the legacy.

DappaD:


Exactly so like I said, it was the wrong English word I used.
Herod “privately summoned” them because he had ulterior motives

Like I said earlier, it's a good thing you admitted that error, but good would become better if you'd also admit the others.

jesusjnr2020:
What evidence are you talking about?

Do you have any idea who called those men wise men?

It was Matthew a disciple of Jesus not some worldly person or gentile, and for Matthew to do so that means they were wise men in God's sight just as the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

So that means they were wise men granted wisdom and understanding by God not the devil. And it was this same God gave them that wisdom that revealed to them the Truth about the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus and how to track Him so that they could reverence Him.

So wherever you got this evidence is not of the Truth but from a completely false source.

Your idea of a conspiracy with Herod is also false because Herod lied to them that he wanted that information because he wanted to also worship Him. And you also contradict yourself when you said that Herod had a secret plan to exterminate the Messiah, so where's the conspiracy there with the wise men but the figment of your imagination and those who imagine such a baseless and unfounded thing?

Or was it a conspiracy to worship King Jesus if genuine?

God was the One that led them with the star to where His only begotten Son lay, if not God would have stopped them before they got there after Herod had asked them to reveal the place to him. But God didn't til after the star had led them to where He was so that they'd worship Him, because the purpose He sent them had been accomplished.

if they are astrologers and God addressed them as wise,why is today Christianity against astrology?
Please reply me.dont run away

DappaD:


Oh so you've already seen me through lens of prejudice, is that it?
Check the Greek rendering for Matthew 2:1 in the screenshot below from biblehub.com before rushing to conclusions. JWs do not own biblehub.com sir.

astrology is for wisemen not for ignorant men

Pacesetter123:
Nobody said it was an act God that Herod killed the innocent children.But the entire mission of the wisemen from the East was an act of God.because it was to acknowledge Jesus as the King of Kings.To show that he will be worshipped by all men on the surface of earth as the saviour of the whole world.Any other thing that king Herod did expecially de massacre of the infant boys was the act of satan.Cos killing, stealing n destruction is the handiwork of satan but acknowledging n worshipping ofJesus as the saviour of the whole world n king of Kings is an act of God, which was exactly what the wisemen did.

Hmmm, so God led the wise men first to Herod when he could lead them directly to Bethlehem, so Herod will later kill innocent children? Is that what you mean?

Okay let's put it this way, the wise men otherwise refer to as Magi or astrologers or magicians (practices that God hates) were led by God to visit Jesus that caused the following:
1. Endangered the life of Jesus
2. Cause the massacre of innocent babies

Is that what you mean?

No bro, all these are the works of the one who hates what is good, Satan the Devil.

jesusjnr2020:
What makes the bolded to be in error?

The fact that you are ignorant of the ways of God and fall for the lies that the wise men were not truly wise men but all of the above you listed?

Do you know that Moses was also viewed by some as a magician because of the works God used him to do in Egypt?

Do you know that the magicians of Pharoah there were also able repeat some of the works that Moses did?

So does that make what Moses did magic or Moses a magician or not a man of God?

What you may not know is that what Satan does via his own is usually a counterfeit of what God does with His.

Unless you think that the star was put there by the devil so it would take only those who observe it via his means to be able to utilize it.

God was the One that put that star up there to signify the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus, and He revealed it to the wise men, and used it to lead them to where Jesus was so that they would worship Him.

So all these ideas you're bringing up about the wise men is pure fabrication, because those wise men were true men of God. Kapish!

I thank God for you.
Don't allow any idiot force his denominational truth on you

haddeylium:


Exactly!
Remember Jesus is a prophet like Moses.
He escaped death by that pagan ruler too under Satan's control that lead to mass murder of innocent babies then

Now,the information conveyed to these men did not lead to any good right?..it lead to the wholesale murder of innocent babies.
Who do you think would be responsible for this?

Remember, God cannot caused such a wicked thing to be done.—Job 34:10.

Yeah! You'd also say Jesus was also like the lambs that were used to represent Him.

You would also accuse God of being responsible for the evil in the world because God created the world.

Says a lot about how baseless and erroneous your analogy is.

jesusjnr2020:
Like I said earlier, it's a good thing you admitted that error, but good would become better if you'd also admit the others.

My being honest should tell you that I'm not trying to save face or mislead anybody. As you can see from the thread, many commentators[who aren't JWs] have also alluded to the fact that the men who visited Jesus were astrologers/sorcerers who practiced things forbidden in the Law. Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12
If God was the one who directed the astrologers, then he would have led them directly to where Jesus was and not to Jerusalem where Herod was situated.
So God couldn't have been the one who revealed details about the Messiah to worshipers of pagan gods since God at that time revealed details of prophecies to only his Israelite-born servants/prophets. Amos 3:7

EhisChelsea1:


Sir, you are not entirely right in this your assertion. The wise men were astrologers, people who study the celestial bodies so as to predict events. It is a practice that the old testament warned the Israelite against....

You would see also that the star didn't lead them directly to Jesus in the first place but to Herod. Now why would the star lead them to a man that would want to kill the young child? That should tell you it wasn't from God. It was from satan. It was a ploy to get the young child killed. They obviously didnt know satans intention. In the course of heir stud of thr stars, they saw the appearance of a strange star, different from others, studied it and realised a great man have bn born and they embark on a journey to worship that great man

The Wise men (they are not 3. The bible never said 3. That they presented 3 kinds of gifts to Jesus doesn't make them 3 persons) were not bad men. They were not conspirators neither were there any intent in them to harm or conspire with Herod to harm the child..... All they did was to inquire from Herod being thr king am sure supposing the new baby to be from the kings lineage....

So the term wise men in ancient time was not just for people who fear God but people who understand times and season, philosophers, people who can predict the future and events among others and these men definitely fit into this category.....

You also will realise that this event occurred about 2-3 or 5 years after the birth of Jesus. And they visited Jesus in Joseph house, not in the manger where he was born.... (You can confirm this from the age of the children Herod ordered to be killed).... This tells you they took time to study the star and to understand it. If they were prophets as alleged by you, it won't take that long. It will be a simple message. But these were not Prophets but astrologers whose occupation was studying of the celestial bodies

now let me correct you.
They went to the palace because that is where Kings are.
They saw the star of the king and they went to the palace asking"where is he who is born king of the Jews?"

To their surprise,the king wasn't in the palace,an idumean usurper, Herod was on the throne of David,it was times of the gentiles,Herod was made king by the Romans because true Jews are stubborn to foreign influences.
When they realized the King wasn't in the palace,they had to revert to the star which led them to the King.

jesusjnr2020:
I'm sure if it disagreed with your translation like the King James you would have still shown it to me, lol!

Abeg carry your lies go jare. "The wise men conspired with Herod" according to you.

That's how you'd keep falsely accusing true men of God and still be talking Truth!

When you don't have any regard for Jesus the only begotten Son of God, what would one expect?

Next time you'd carry your falsehood and come to a thread speaking the Truth again.

Bro those wise men where magicians, astrologers who study the sun, moon and star to tell the future and in no doubt being practice today and they use magical powers to do all that.

The Bible stated that they came from the East... From one of the Arabians country I guess and honestly they don't practice Judaism.


That the Bible called them wise don't mean that they are of God.
Remember that nebuchadnezzar once demanded that all the wise men be killed in his Kingdom ( this include all magicians and even Daniel)


Please be guided


Finally when a great man is born a star is born. And I believe same way the star will appear visible to those with occult powers. Occult people without doubt could tell when a someone with a great destiny is born.

explosiveskull:

Don't you know it was Jethro who moses sought refuge from wwhen he ran from egypt that taught him most of the religious things he thought Israel. Jethro was a high priest hope you know? Moses married one of his daughters and she was referred to as a cushite and in hebrew cush means black or dark coloured, it means moses married a black woman and the origin of judaism is from africa.

even chaldea we're Abraham came from is Africa, Genesis 10,Abraham is African maybe that's why our people call God chukwu okike abiama God of Abraham,any similarity?
Bob Marley always refer the African as Jah children

DelphiOracle:
well said. Are u one of Jehovah's witnesses?

Yes I am.

DappaD:


Yes I am.

spoke like one

michresakidjo:
according to history, The three wise men mentioned in the Bible were Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is the first religion.. it predates both Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Two were black skinned and were Africans , one wea ring Kano made cotton clothing and bearing gold from Kano area at that time , their origin was Ethiopia the very first origin of a religion,what the world knows now as Christianity , the book of proverbs was an ancient Egyptian text (by amenemopet , son of kanakht) the three wise men were from Africa

FROM your evidences, it is true that Jesus was only sent to the Jews and not to the whole world.

op, your submission and reactions to comments failed to give clearance on words as used in the bible. You keep claiming the said wise men are prophet-like or men in God's sight without biblical support for how persons whose job and reputation are based on study of celestial bodies( a practice God had warned His chosen people-Isrealites-not to subscribe in) can be regarded as men of God.

Pacesetter123:

Guy, u r so funny.But we r talking about biblical matter here n not a beer parlour gist,ok.

When you are reading the bible, read with commentaries.

The bible is a book of history.

If you have read with commentaries, you won't find this info funny.

Pacesetter123:
Nobody said it was an act God that Herod killed the innocent children.But the entire mission of the wisemen from the East was an act of God.because it was to acknowledge Jesus as the King of Kings.To show that he will be worshipped by all men on the surface of earth as the saviour of the whole world.Any other thing that king Herod did expecially de massacre of the infant boys was the act of satan.Cos killing, stealing n destruction is the handiwork of satan but acknowledging n worshipping ofJesus as the saviour of the whole world n king of Kings is an act of God, which was exactly what the wisemen did.

The mission of the three wise men was not an act of God but an ancient belief and tradition that signs in the heavens portended great--or terrible--things to come.

The three wise men were called the three wise men because of their expertise in astronomy and maybe philosophy

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engrchykae:
I thank God for you.
Don't allow any idiot force his denominational truth on you

Okay so I'm an idiot because I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses shey?
Sir this isn't something that you have to get emotional and childish about.
Just quote me directly let's have a 1-on-1 discussion from the Bible if you feel you're up for it.

engrchykae:
if they are astrologers and God addressed them as wise,why is today Christianity against astrology?
Please reply me.dont run away

If you know, almost all astrologers are Christians

Wise men in Bible times were magicians, sorcerers or astrologers (especially those that worked with palaces). The ones that followed the star were most probably astrologers.

DappaD:


Okay so I'm an idiot because I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses shey?
Sir this isn't something that you have to get emotional and childish about.
Just quote me directly let's have a 1-on-1 discussion from the Bible if you feel you're up for it.

am not referring to you.
But you see my brother,a seeker of truth must be open minded.
When a seeker of truth narrows his view through the obstacles of religious biase,it will be difficult to find the truth.
I don't discuss with deeper lifers and JWs because they are not open for discussion.
They already have "no go areas"in their minds.
There shouldn't be sacred grounds when we want to philosophies

Why can't you humble yourself and learn?

jesusjnr2020:
When you lie and falsify things concerning Christ the Messiah, as the JWs are well known for, what do you expect?

Those men were "wise men"! Whichever source you dug that your whatever from cannot be more authentic than the translation given in King James Version. You have obvious reasons why you discredit it because it exposes your lies!

By the way, the other ideas you also brought up have been debunked like "the wise men" conspired with Herod".

Stop believing lies.

You'd eventually end up where all liars do.

Pacesetter123:
I equally disagree with you in most parts of ur write-up just as u did with the guy u quoted.First of all,de star didn't lead them directly to King Herod's house for the baby as u said.That the visited Herod's palace doesn't mean the star led them to his house.Two things might have inspired their visit to Herod: Jerusalem was the capital of Israel n therefore the seat of government.Courtsy demands that any foreign mission report to the Head of government there first for inquiries, clearance n or directives before carrying out their missions.So it was a matter of diplomacy.Secondly,the kingship in those days was hereditary.So they might have thought that the newly borned king should be from Herod's lineage.Hence, reason for their visit.It was went the left the king's palace enroute Bethlehem that the same star they saw in the East reappearing n giving them directions.
Another point u raised is the issue of who were designated as "wisemen" in those days.U r correct by saying that dey we're men who understands de times and seasons.Weda some of dem got the inspiration from God or from the devil,dey we're all termed Wiseman.But you seemed to conclude that these particular wisemen were the astrologers n magicians from Satan n not from God.Dont you think that those wisemen from the East might have well been children/prophet of God from the lost tribe of Issachar who av bin on exile in the East for thousands of years?The scripture described the children of Issachar as Wisemen who understands the times and seasons.So my conclusion is that,those wisemen might have well been men of God n de star the saw from God also.Remember, even God later spoke to them in the dream.

The angle you brought out is also a likely possibility. Thanks for the points you raised. We are all learning from each other's post. God bless you bro

engrchykae:
am not referring to you.
But you see my brother,a seeker of truth must be open minded.
When a seeker of truth narrows his view through the obstacles of religious biase,it will be difficult to find the truth.
I don't discuss with deeper lifers and

JWs

because they are not open for discussion.
They already have "no go areas"in their minds.
There shouldn't be sacred grounds when we want to philosophies

But the person you replied to, was replying to me
So sir don't use all these ones as cover-up because I know from your statements that you already have deep-seated hatred for Jehovah's Witnesses. JWs are obeying Jesus' command to preach and teach the truth about Jehovah, Jesus and God's Kingdom to their neighbours in over 240 lands. Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20
So if you feel you know better, go and do your own let everyone observe and make conclusions for themselves.

DappaD:


But the person you replied to, was replying to me
So sir don't use all these ones as cover-up because I know from your statements that you already have deep-seated hatred for Jehovah's Witnesses. JWs are obeying Jesus' command to preach and teach the truth about Jehovah, Jesus and God's Kingdom to their neighbours in over 240 lands. Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20
So if you feel you know better, go and do your own let everyone observe and make conclusions for themselves.

there is more to life than religion, Daniel is my best friend,a witness.
But your church people have no go areas when discussing.
Non participation in secular politics thereby letting hoodlums decide the date of everyone.
I asked my friend Daniel"what happened in the book of Samuel where the witch summoned Samuel"he dismissed it away.
I also asked him about where the Bible said that an evil spirit from God tormented King Saul,he also talked down on it.
I asked him about sons of God in Genesis 5,he already have "no go areas"
But he is my best friend,religion is for stupid people, humanity first before religion.

They are igbo men!

jesusjnr2020:
Yeah! You'd also say Jesus was also like the lambs that were used to represent Him.

You would also accuse God of being responsible for the evil in the world because God created the world.

Says a lot about how baseless and erroneous your analogy is.

Yeah what?

Answer that question!

Those are undenying facts that that star sign is from an evil source
or who would want to eliminate the Messiah and convey a message that would leads to the mass murder of innocent babies. Satan affirmatively!

2 Thes 2:9- by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders
Apostle Paul warn Christains against Sign(like stars and all) ..
it misled those magicians, it shouldn't do that to you

engrchykae:
there is more to life than religion, Daniel is my best friend,a witness.
But your church people have no go areas when discussing.
Non participation in secular politics thereby letting hoodlums decide the date of everyone.
I asked my friend Daniel"what happened in the book of Samuel where the witch summoned Samuel"he dismissed it away.
I also asked him about where the Bible said that an evil spirit from God tormented King Saul,he also talked down on it.
I asked him about sons of God in Genesis 5,he already have "no go areas"
But he is my best friend,religion is for stupid people, humanity first before religion.

Is Donald T a hoodlum?
Bros na joke ooo !

* Was Jesus Christ a politician?
John 4:34. Matt24:14..

* Jesus and the disciples were no part of this world that will pass away, John 17:16, 1Jo2:15. ,5:19
What is the solution?
God's kingdom ,Matt 6:9-10. Daniel 2:44. 2Peter 3:13..

* Genesis 6:4, (if that's what you meant) "sons of God" there refers to rebellious, fallen angels (demons) who abandoned their God given assignment in heaven and transformed into human form to marry daughters of men.
(Hebrew malak = sons of God, angels).

* The witch summoned "a god" (a demon) not Samuel who had died..
(Was Adam living in another realm b4 Creation?
No, @ Genesis 2:7.
Where did he go when he died? Genesis 3:19. Ecclesiastes 3:19,20.
Deut18:10-12, states Jehovah's disgust against spiritism.
Will Jehovah use a Source (a witch/demon) HE hates to speak to Saul, whom Jehovah & His Servant, Samuel had rejected?
Does a witch/demon have authority to extract info which Jehovah and His Servant refused to reveal to Saul?
Shalom