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| Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 12:34pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? Matthew 2:1-2 (KJV) Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Now not much was said about these wise men, but there must have been something unusual about them to have been able to know about the birth of Jesus, and then come all the way down from the East just to worship Him. Because even those that were in the land where Jesus was born didn't even know about His birth that the news about Jesus birth appeared to surprise them. Matthew 2:3-6 (KJV) When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. So not just the King, but even the chief priests and scribes of the people, who knew what was said concerning Him by the prophet, were unaware that the King of the Jews had been born. But the wise men from the East knew and they had come all the way from the East to worship Him. And they kept following His star which they had seen in the East, until it brought them to the place where the little child was. Matthew 2:10-11 (KJV) When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. So who were these wise men who had knowledge of the birth of Jesus the King of the Jews and the promised Messiah, that would compel them to come all the way from the East so that they would worship Him? From the little said concerning them, the wise men were without a doubt prophet or men of God, whom God had sent from the East, to pay His only begotten Son a respect worthy of not just a king but the King of Kings, despite that He was yet a little child and lay in a lowly manger. For it's not that easy for grown-up men to bow down and worship their fellow man, how much more a baby who lay in a lowly manger? But this particular gesture of the wise men to baby Jesus, gives an idea of the spiritual level that these men walked in despite not emerging from the nation of Israel. They more or less acted like little children of whom Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of God." Matthew 10:14 So God was the One that revealed those things about baby Jesus to the "babes" also known as the wise men from the East, and had used a star to guide them to where baby Jesus was at the time of His birth, even the star which they followed until they got to where the baby was. It was the same God that revealed to them the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus, that appeared to them in a dream to warn them about not getting back to King Herod concerning their discovery because he had ulterior motives concerning the new born King. Matthew 2:12 (KJV) And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. So the wise men had obeyed the voice of God who sent them there and departed back to the East where they had come from through another way, after accomplishing the task that God had given them concerning His only begotten Son Jesus who was born in a manger. And Jesus grew up to become a Man Mighty both in the Word and Works of God, that He'd without a shadow of a doubt, became the greatest and most influential Man to ever grace this planet. Hence He has worshipped by many a men after He grew up and became the man that He was, and that has continued unabated up til this very day. However only a few men could ever boast of falling down and worshipping Jesus while He still a baby and yet lay in a lowly manger, when He hadn't accomplished any of those feats. And they were the wise men from the East. God bless. 12 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by michresakidjo(m): 8:10pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
according to history, The three wise men mentioned in the Bible were Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is the first religion.. it predates both Christianity, Judaism and Islam. 14 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by Kobojunkie: 8:13pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
michresakidjo:  Now, I won't go as far as declaring it the first religion but yes, it redates Judaism, yes. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by michresakidjo(m): 8:30pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by DappaD: 8:42pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
OP I'm sorry but your conclusions do not corroborate with the evidence given. How could God have been the one to reveal details about the Messiah to the so-called “wise men” in question? First of all, those “wise men” practiced magic and they were stargazers. This was something abominable from God's standpoint. Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12 So God couldn't have been the person responsible for the “star” that led those astrologers since it's well documented in the Mosaic Law that God's people must never be drawn/inclined to worship or receive direction from the celestial bodies. (Deuteronomy 4:19 see also Isaiah 47:13) Secondly, this “star” led these “wise men” to Jerusalem. Then after meeting with Herod, he inquired of the Jewish scribes the location of the birth of the Messiah. (Matthew 2:4-6 see also Micah 5:2) Herod then summoned the “wise men” and asked them to locate the Messiah in Bethlehem. Meanwhile Herod himself had set up a plan to exterminate this “Messiah” because he didn't want to tolerate rivalry. If it was truly God who sent this “star”, why would the same God intervene by warning them not to return to Herod? Matthew 2:12? Why would God be the cause of the deaths of many children because of a “star”? Obviously the “star” wasn't from divine origin because God cannot cause such a wicked thing to happen. Matthew 2:16 see also Job 34:10 31 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by sonmvayina(m): 8:42pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
michresakidjo: Christianity and islam maybe, but not judaism. Except if there was any evidence of it before 530BC. |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:53pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
DappaD:What evidence are you talking about? Do you have any idea who called those men wise men? It was Matthew a disciple of Jesus not some worldly person or gentile, and for Matthew to do so that means they were wise men in God's sight just as the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. So that means they were wise men granted wisdom and understanding by God not the devil. And it was this same God gave them that wisdom that revealed to them the Truth about the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus and how to track Him so that they could reverence Him. So wherever you got this evidence is not of the Truth but from a completely false source. Your idea of a conspiracy with Herod is also false because Herod lied to them that he wanted that information because he wanted to also worship Him. And you also contradict yourself when you said that Herod had a secret plan to exterminate the Messiah, so where's the conspiracy there with the wise men but the figment of your imagination and those who imagine such a baseless and unfounded thing? Or was it a conspiracy to worship King Jesus if genuine? God was the One that led them with the star to where His only begotten Son lay, if not God would have stopped them before they got there after Herod had asked them to reveal the place to him. But God didn't til after the star had led them to where He was so that they'd worship Him, because the purpose He sent them had been accomplished. 19 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by DappaD: 9:03pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
Matthew never called anybody “wise men”. That's just an attribute of your modern-day KJV Bibles. The Greek word Matthew rendered in Matthew 2:1 was μάγοι[magi; singular: magos] which is open to a lot of meaning such as astrologers, stargazers, conjurers, sorcerers. That same “magi” word is also found at Acts 13:6 and is accurately rendered as “sorcerer” in your KJV Bible. All of these are practices condemned by the Mosaic Law. Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12 Go figure! jesusjnr2020: 18 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:19pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
DappaD:What evidence are you talking about? Do you have any idea who called those men "wise men"? It was Matthew a disciple of Jesus not some worldly person or gentile, and for Matthew to do so that means they were wise men in God's sight just as the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. So that means they were wise men granted wisdom and understanding by God not the devil. And it was this same God who gave them that wisdom that revealed to them the Truth about the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus and how to track Him so that they could reverence Him. So wherever you got this evidence is not of the Truth but from a completely false source. Your idea of a conspiracy with Herod is also false because Herod lied to them that he wanted that information because he wanted to also worship Him. And you also contradict yourself when you said that Herod had a secret plan to exterminate the Messiah, so where's the conspiracy there with the wise men, but the figment of your imagination and those who imagine such a baseless and unfounded thing? Or was it a conspiracy to worship King Jesus if genuine? God was the One that led them with the star to where His only begotten Son lay, if not God would have stopped them before they got there after Herod had asked them to reveal the place to him. But God didn't til after the star had led them to where He was so that they'd worship Him, because the purpose He sent them had been accomplished. It's foolish to say that God was the cause of the deaths of many children, otherwise you'd show me where and how God caused it. You'd say the same about all the children that were killed in Egypt by Pharoah to prevent the birth of Moses, the messiah that God wanted to use to deliver His people from the Egyptians. Do you know that many children died then also? Do you think it was a coincidence that the same thing happened when the promised Messiah was born? It was bound to happen regardless. So it's really ignorant to blame God except you blame Him for sending a Messiah! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:24pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
DappaD:Keep your false JW translation to yourself! They were wise men from the East. The same East that produced the likes of Job, Abraham who walked with God, and where the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego were showcased by God. Stop believing lies! 6 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by DappaD: 9:29pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: Oh so you've already seen me through lens of prejudice, is that it? Check the Greek rendering for Matthew 2:1 in the screenshot below from biblehub.com before rushing to conclusions. JWs do not own biblehub.com sir. 6 Likes 2 Shares
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| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:40pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
DappaD:When you lie and falsify things concerning Christ the Messiah, as the JWs are well known for, what do you expect? Those men were "wise men"! Whichever source you dug that your whatever from cannot be more authentic than the translation given in King James Version. You have obvious reasons why you discredit it because it exposes your lies! By the way, the other ideas you also brought up have been debunked like "the wise men" conspired with Herod". Stop believing lies. You'd eventually end up where all liars do. 3 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by DappaD: 9:48pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: I thought you said it's from JWs translation I was referring to before? Why are you changing mouth now? See Mr man if you like, do research and be noble-minded like the Beroeans(Acts 17:11) If you like too, remain in your delusions and refuse to acknowledge the truth. I couldn't care less what you do actually. 9 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:55pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
DappaD:I'm sure if it disagreed with your translation like the King James you would have still shown it to me, lol! Abeg carry your lies go jare. "The wise men conspired with Herod" according to you. That's how you'd keep falsely accusing true men of God and still be talking Truth! When you don't have any regard for Jesus the only begotten Son of God, what would one expect? Next time you'd carry your falsehood and come to a thread speaking the Truth again. 4 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by DappaD: 9:59pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020:Note that I myself said: “Herod conspired with the wise men” so the word “conspire” leaves a big gap open because it would mean the astrologers also had a hand in it. So my error is the English word I used. Let me quote directly please. Matthew 2:7 says that Herod secretly summoned these astrologers. That is, not in the presence of the Jewish scribes. The astrologers did not know the intentions of Herod but Herod himself doesn't tolerate rivalry and he knew what he was doing that's why he privately spoke to them. So I'm sorry if it's the big English that brought about the confusion. 5 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by DappaD: 10:04pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: I'm sorry but the bolded is in error. I thought by now you should have realised the truth. Matthew 2:1 says the “magi” [sorcerers/astrologers/stargazers/magicians] visited Jerusalem. So sorcerers are now “true men of God” even though their customs and practices are in direct contrast with God's Laws? Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12, Acts 13:6 4 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by Karlovich: 10:06pm On Dec 19, 2020 |
According to ancient scrolls one of them was the real father of the baby, but because DNA wasn't available then it was difficult to tell which one it was. |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 7:21am On Dec 20, 2020 |
DappaD:You seem to lack knowledge that it takes two to conspire, hence your unwarranted lame excuses that you said this but did not say that. Good though that you admitted your error, because only Hero's had ulterior motives concerning what he did, which completely exonerates the wise men of any guilt. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by jesusjnr2020(m): 7:35am On Dec 20, 2020 |
DappaD:What makes the bolded to be in error? The fact that you are ignorant of the ways of God and fall for the lies that the wise men were not truly wise men but all of the above you listed? Do you know that Moses was also viewed by some as a magician because of the works God used him to do in Egypt? Do you know that the magicians of Pharoah there were also able repeat some of the works that Moses did? So does that make what Moses did magic or Moses a magician or not a man of God? What you may not know is that what Satan does via his own is usually a counterfeit of what God does with His. Unless you think that the star was put there by the devil so it would take only those who observe it via his means to be able to utilize it. God was the One that put that star up there to signify the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus, and He revealed it to the wise men, and used it to lead them to where Jesus was so that they would worship Him. So all these ideas you're bringing up about the wise men is pure fabrication, because those wise men were true men of God. Kapish! 5 Likes |
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| Re: Who Were Those Wise Men From The East? by MANNABBQGRILLS: 7:49am On Dec 20, 2020 |
We found this beautifully written and interesting story about the wise men online.. Enjoy it........  Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, look, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him.” And when King Herod heard it, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he asked them where the Messiah would be born. And they said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written through the prophet, ‘And you, Bethlehem, land of Judah, are in no way least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come forth a ruler who will shepherd my people, Israel.’” Then Herod secretly called the wise men, and learned from them exactly what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, “Go and search diligently for the young child, and when you have found him, bring me word, so that I also may come and worship him.” And they, having heard the king, went their way; and look, the star which they saw in the east went before them, until it came and stood over where the young child was. And when they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. And they came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered gifts to him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Being warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they went back to their own country another way. Matthew 2:1-12 The History behind the Three Kings/Wise Men/Magi in the Christmas Story After Jesus was born, Wise Men came to look for Him, probably from an area which is now in either Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia the Yemen, or an area in what's now southern Turkey, northern Syria. Although they are often called the 'Three Kings', the Bible does not say how many there were, or that they were kings. One theory is that they might have been Kings of the Yemen, as during this time the Kings of Yemen were Jews. Three is only a guess because they brought with them three gifts: but however many there were of them, they probably would have had many more servants with them. They were certainly men of great learning. The word Magi comes from the greek word 'magos' (where the english word 'magic' comes from). Magos itself comes from the old persian word 'Magupati'. This was the title given to priests in a sect of the ancient Persian religions such as Zoroastrianism. Today we'd called them astrologers. Back then astronomy and astrology were part of the same overall studies (and 'science') and went hand in hand with each other. The magi would have followed the patterns of the stars religiously. They would have also probably been very rich and held high esteem in their own society and by people who weren't from their country or religion. They had seen an unusual new star in the sky, and knew that it told of the birth of a special king in Israel. No one really knows what the new star in the sky was, and there are many theories including comets, supernovas, a conjunctions of planets or something supernatural! Find out more about the star in the Star of Bethlehem page in the Christmas Customs section. The Magi would have known about the prophecies of a special Jewish Savior (also known as the Messiah) from when the Jews had been held captive in ancient Babylon several hundred years before. Legends are told about them and they have been given names. This is how they are often described: Gaspar (or Caspar), who has brown hair and a brown beard (or no beard!) and wears a green cloak and a gold crown with green jewels on it. He is the King of Sheba. Gaspar represents the Frankincense brought to Jesus.Melchior, who has long white hair and a white beard and wears a gold cloak. He is the King of Arabia. Melchior represents the Gold brought to Jesus.Balthazar, who has black skin and a black beard (or no beard!) and wears a purple cloak. He is the King of Tarse and Egypt. Balthazar represents the gift of Myrrh that was brought to Jesus. Herod asked the Wise Men to find Jesus and tell him where he was, not so he could go and worship him as he said, but so he could kill him! He thought that Jesus sounded like a new King that could come and take his power away. When the Wise Men found Jesus and Mary, they would have been living in a normal house, probably in Bethlehem or Jerusalem, because by this time Jesus would have been aged between one and two. Then they gave their gifts to him. The gifts seem quite strange to give to a baby, but Christians believe that they had the following meanings: Gold: is associated with Kings and Christians believe that Jesus is the King of Kings.Frankincense: is sometimes used in worship in Churches and showed that people would worship Jesus.Myrrh: is a perfume that is put on dead bodies to make them smell nice; Christian believe that it showed that Jesus would suffer and die. The gifts are also all things that come from east of Israel in Arabia. When the wise men were about to go to tell Herod where Jesus was, they were warned in a dream not to, so Herod could not carry out his horrible plan 4 Likes 2 Shares |
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