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Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 7:22am On Apr 05, 2011 |
Igwe-1:actually the igbos are the owners of kano,katsina,bauchi, kaduna abuja lagos and port harcourt where they are in the majority and own most of the landed property.igbos are about 70% of nigeria's population |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by fstranger5: 7:23am On Apr 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: +1 Mr. Sa n skuul Very well articulated I must admit |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by Chyz2: 7:29am On Apr 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: The desert north or the Middle-belt, as far as vegetation goes? Also, what happens when the SE/SS begins getting these things from Cameroun and the SW get theirs from Benin Republic? When the Norherners when on their strike, i can remember the newspapers saying that the SE was suffering, but you can prove me wrong on that. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 7:36am On Apr 05, 2011 |
pls stop saying this igbos are everywhere so. is everyone else.lots of hausas in igboland the last time i checked plenty in port harcourt lagos and ibadan so unless you measure it we can be on this thread till they finish the elaections in nigeria you will not convince anyone and no one will convince you stalemat |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 7:41am On Apr 05, 2011 |
the argument not going your way so you remove the middle belt. firstly define MIDDLE BELT NAME THE STATES. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by Chyz2: 7:48am On Apr 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: I don't remember arguing with you to begin with. my first question to you was " The desert north or the middle belt, as far as vegetation goes". Now, middlebelt states: Benue State, Kogi State, Plateau State, Nasarawa State, Adamawa State and Kwara State. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by ektbear: 7:50am On Apr 05, 2011 |
@odumchi, EzeUche, OnlyTruth: Sounds plausible, but I'm not sold. Fortunately I have a copy of Igbo History and Society: The Essays of Adiele Afigbo, which will hopefully have some answers. @fstranger: I hope you see why I don't care too much if Igbos are #1 in pop or #3. If you think about it a bit. . . in neither situation do we lose. If you are #1, unless that #1 is a strict majority, it only places a target on your back. @aribisala0: How much of that food production comes from Hausaland versus the middle belt? I thought most of it is grown in the middle belt? |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:03am On Apr 05, 2011 |
i am not aware of a desert north . i am only aware or northern nigeria that is why i asked you to define middle belt . your terminology not mine. educate me |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by ektbear: 8:09am On Apr 05, 2011 |
Wikipedia does a pretty fair job, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Belt Basically, Northern Nigeria minus Hausaland, minus Kanuriland. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:11am On Apr 05, 2011 |
the reason i am here is the hope that i will learn something. please do not disappoint me. who agreed that these states are middle belt and when ? is this a geographical or political aggregation please tell me which part of northern nigeria is hausaland to the best of my knowledge there is no such thing but i am here to learn. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by ektbear: 8:16am On Apr 05, 2011 |
^-- Err. . . what? Hausaland. . . .the territory of land in Nigeria primarily populated by Hausa ethnic stock. . . as the map on the first page of this threads talks about. Here is another one from 1979: http://culture.chiamaka.com/images/nigeria_linguistic_1979.jpg Are you pretending that you don't know, for some reason? Let's not worry about the who/when/where of the middle belt for now; since Hausaland and Kanuriland are well defined territories, everything else becomes simple. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:23am On Apr 05, 2011 |
you see a lot of southerners make assumptions like you now hausa stock what does that mean? ahmadu bello,tafawa balewa gowon ,buhari,shagari, atiku, babangida abacha, alhaji alhaji,lamido sanusi,abdulsalam abubakar which of them is hausa stock? |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:26am On Apr 05, 2011 |
to the best of my knowledge there was no census in 1979. who is chiamaka? really this is getting ridiculous |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by naijaking1: 8:27am On Apr 05, 2011 |
My understanding is that the whole south easthern Nigeria, from western Cameron to as far east as where we call Yorubaland today, up to and including most of Kogi, Benue, and up to the Adamawa mountains are inhabited by people who had the same ancestral relationship with the people we call Igbos today. There is no doubt even before the civil war, that the number of people who identified themselves as Igbos or as having Igbo ancestors was more than we have today. Igbos are just Igbos, meaning the World. Like the Igbos themselves would ask, Igbo ebe k'isi bia---which part of the World did you come from. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:30am On Apr 05, 2011 |
people are entitled to their understandings that is your riight. if you want others to share your understanding there is a hurdle called evidence otherwise it is a doctrine that relies on faith like religion. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by ektbear: 8:36am On Apr 05, 2011 |
@aribisala0: I know that it is more convenient to not understand the term "Hausaland." Far more advantageous for you to only understand "the North." Still, from the terms Yorubaland and Igboland, then it shouldn't be hard to get the term Hausaland as well. @naijaking1: Almost everywhere in the world, neighbors have common ancestry (or some sort of distant kinship bond.) It is nothing special, new, or unique. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:37am On Apr 05, 2011 |
this is true the igbos are descendants of the yorubas we say ibi they say ebe here we say ile they say ala ground etc i know tell me i will not be silly let us not derail the point is this somebody said that northern nigeria is a desert and cannot feed the north to support the population ascribed to the north and i sain no northern nigeria feeds itself and send its surplus food down south. so someone decides oh its not the north its the middle belt so i say lets define this middle belt that is where we are. i am hoping that even though kano is not a food producer we wlll accept their figures on trust after all lagos too does not produce food. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by naijaking1: 8:42am On Apr 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: You're right. Have you ever wondered why Yorubas and Igbos have the word for God? Orisa, Orisha, Olisa? Anthropologically, the vernacular word of important words such as God, tends to show common ancestry and history. I drove drove from Abuja to Enugu last year, and was surprised to see towns named Ejula, Eboyi-Afor, and Achalla right in middle of Kogi state. These are Igbo names, and while no-one is claiming to adjust Igbo boundaries into Kogi, the native people of the area certainly know their history. My point is that we're probably more similar than we're different. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:43am On Apr 05, 2011 |
yorubaland extends way beyond nigeria and so that term in the context of nigeria is wring . we talk of western nigeria. but i asked you a question which of those guys is of hausa stock. the answer is none i.e zero |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by naijaking1: 8:45am On Apr 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: It's possible Igbos descended from Yorubas, or vis versa. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:46am On Apr 05, 2011 |
my other point is this how you say there are millions of igbos scattered across nigeria and not accept that there are also millions of hausas scattered across the so-called midddle belt and even in igboland and the west this is hypocrisy |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aribisala0(m): 8:48am On Apr 05, 2011 |
naijaking if you subscribe to the adam and eve theory then if we go back far enough yes. but this is about census let us focus |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by Gbenge77(m): 1:38pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
The BBC practice investigative journalism and this report does not seem far-fetched. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by DeeJay20: 1:41pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
You guys can be soo lame sometimes, BBC say something about nigeria and all of you are quick to rush in and comment like some "sheeple", .sometimes i wonder about the self-worth of nigerians sometimes, soo poor on internal-value |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by Gbenge77(m): 1:42pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
The BBC practice investigative journalism and this report does not seem far-fetched. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by DeeJay20: 1:43pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
Gbenge 77: WHATEVA!!!, , U need to allow it with all diz "echoing", BBC does what is has to do to keep fools accross the third world especially believeing its *hype* |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by DeeJay20: 1:46pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
johnie: Dude you need to calm down on all this BBC Sourcing, |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by EzeUche(m): 1:49pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
naijaking1: I really doubt that. Most anthropologist believe that the Igbo, Idoma, Igala and Yoruba are descendants of a common ancestor. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by malabite: 2:13pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
ok |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by T9ksy(m): 2:18pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
EzeUche: HELL NO!!! The only common denominator between the yorubas and the igbos is their skin colour. Apart from the aforementioned, we have nothing else in common! |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by aletheia(m): 2:20pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
naijaking1:^Minus the Tiv, who are recent immigrants in historical terms. EzeUche:^On point. A study of the languages and customs supports this view. Most of the tribes that straddle the Lower Niger are linguistically related. |
Re: Do You Agree With Bbc's Analysis Of Nigeria's Health, Wealth And Population? by omoalaro: 2:21pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
I disagree with the literacy rate in the north. Literacy simply means ability to read and write. It does not mean ability to read and write in English. I believe the northerners are able to read and write more in Arabic than in English and are therefore literate. If we choose to measure literacy using the ability to read and write in English only, then all chinese, japanese, arabs, Russians are illiterates. |
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