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Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Okoroawusa: 8:09am On Mar 20, 2021
I Love PMB

Go on sir...if you can't finish the rehabilitation, Osinbajo will finish it when he takes over in 2023.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by boom99(m): 8:11am On Mar 20, 2021
THE WEAK HAVE THEIR SAY, THE POOR HAVE THEIR WAY.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Nobody: 8:12am On Mar 20, 2021
LOOTERS.

Revamp wetin ?

Mugu people.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by juniorstar(m): 8:12am On Mar 20, 2021
adenigga:

https://m.punchng.com/News/FG-set-to-go-ahead-with-$1.5bn-refinery-revamp-despite-criticisms

do you really think Dangote would allow those refinery to work.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by RealEzee(m): 8:13am On Mar 20, 2021
Dumb project, revamping less effective refineries with $1.5b, madness, how much to build new ones jejeli, make dem say dey won cashout

APC promised 4 new refineries ooo, omo this is the worst govt of all, very clueless govt.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by crafteck(m): 8:21am On Mar 20, 2021
If fg goes ahead, im leaving this country.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by SmartPolician: 8:22am On Mar 20, 2021
triple996:
what is wrong with Nigerians self
if they have not built anything you guys will complain . they are trying to get our rifinary working you are still complaining. is it not the 9ja Delta that is complaining of marginalization especially about the non working refinaries. now that government is planning make them functional again, you guys are still complaining.
chaii

I know you are supporting this move because it's your Buhari's government. You should have asked yourself the number of times this same maintenance has been performed yet the refinery still produces below capacity.

If Buhari was a wise man, what he would have done was to sell the refinery to the private sector like Obasanjo once did. Nigeria can live without the useless railways Buhari is constructing up and down.

Go into contract with China to build and finance a refinery project in Nigeria. Use the proceed from the sales of the refinery and fund part of the project. China will finance the rest.

Leadership is not big deal. We either have leaders who have decided to destroy what's left of this country or people who lack common sense like Buhari.

Buhari shames me. How can Nigeria be a crude oil exporter yet we don't have a functional refinery? Meanwhile, Buhari is the minister of petroleum.

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Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Akaujaa(m): 8:32am On Mar 20, 2021
Obasanjo and Atiku stole $16 billion power fund and till today, nobody talks about it. Now, Buhari wants to fix refinery with $1.5 billion dollars, everybody is making noise. Haters!
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by sulaak(m): 8:39am On Mar 20, 2021
Racoon:
Yes it will because as @ ystdy released report "The government-owned refineries, being run by the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, reported a total loss of N778.71bn from 2015 to 2019, an analysis of data collated from their financial statements has shown.The refineries generated total revenue of N21.12bn in the five-year period as they operated at below their full capacities..."
https://m.punchng.com/Business/FG-refineries-earn-N21bn-lose-N778bn-in-five-years

About 21B revenue was generated while a whooping 779B wastage were incurred under five years of your demigod being the minister of petroleum.As I asked your brother cum comarade-Mannabbqgrill that he failed to respond ystdy.

So, now can you give us answers how this putrifying corruption took place under the leadership of your maigaskia president as minister of petroleum within five years yet our moribund refineries are still operating @ a far below full operational capacity Sirjamo? Or you're still done talking with your usual trademark signature?

Mannabbqgrill, before you response, just remember that Buhari is the Federal Minister of Petroleum resources.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Sonn(m): 8:42am On Mar 20, 2021
Before Nko? Na another avenue to continue the business of the day' LOOTING as usual, "LOOTING ACONTINUA"
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Sonn(m): 8:46am On Mar 20, 2021
Akaujaa:
Obasanjo and Atiku stole $16 billion power fund and till today, nobody talks about it. Now, Buhari wants to fix refinery with $1.5 billion dollars, everybody is making noise. Haters!
You are IGNORANT of this but let's assume you are right, is that why this government should keep LOOTING us to death? these ZOMBIES' what type brain do you have for goodness sake? which refinery are they fixing and with how much? fixing a dead refinery with the same amount that can be used to build a new one?

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Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by sulaak(m): 8:47am On Mar 20, 2021
Subsidybad21:


What's bad about reviving a refinery?.

It is if they spend the money, and nothing happens that you can call them bad.


The government and people doing the reviving.

Will you trust an organisation like NNPC that wasted N771 billion over a 5 years period on maintenance for a profit of N21bn

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Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by TheRareGem1(f): 8:49am On Mar 20, 2021
Okoroawusa:
I Love PMB

Go on sir...if you can't finish the rehabilitation, Osinbajo will finish it when he takes over in 2023.

Damn right Osinbajo will definitely will within 100 days in office at least.

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Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by chaloskyx: 8:55am On Mar 20, 2021
JYST STEAL THE MONEY JARE DONT WORRY NIGERIANS WOULD FORGET ABOUT IT HAPPENING IN A WEEK OR TWO NA THEIR WAY

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Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by loswhite(m): 8:56am On Mar 20, 2021
triple996:
what is wrong with Nigerians self
if they have not built anything you guys will complain . they are trying to get our rifinary working you are still complaining. is it not the 9ja Delta that is complaining of marginalization especially about the non working refinaries. now that government is planning make them functional again, you guys are still complaining.
chaii
Do you know how much have been spent on this refineries? Why repair a refinery if you intend to sell it? This just another project to steal money.

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Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by 0taPiaPia(m): 8:57am On Mar 20, 2021
what is wrong with Nigerians self
if they have not built anything you guys will complain . they are trying to get our rifinary working you are still complaining. is it not the 9ja Delta that is complaining of marginalization especially about the non working refinaries. now that government is planning make them functional again, you guys are still complaining.
chaii


oga they should go and build a new one.

They should stop embalming the dead
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Nobody: 9:04am On Mar 20, 2021
sulaak:


The government and people doing the reviving.

Will you trust an organisation like NNPC that wasted N771 billion over a 5 years period on maintenance for a profit of N21bn

Said loss happend as a direct result of government price controls to keep petrol prices low.

As you know, unless NnPC is privatized and there is deregulation all that will continue

But for now we need to get our refineries working again.

If it is not working after 3 years then by all means investigate the corrupt APC. Like they don't already have faults for investigating
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by udemzyudex(m): 9:07am On Mar 20, 2021
thieves
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by purplekayc(m): 9:18am On Mar 20, 2021
How much does it cost to build a new one
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Monday60655(m): 9:19am On Mar 20, 2021
Why won't they go ahead since the money had already been shared accordingly among the looters before the jamboree project was even mentioned.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by oyejideogunjumo: 9:33am On Mar 20, 2021
Subsidybad21:


1.Dangote's refinery is being built with $9 billion, $3 BILLION from Dangote's pocket, the remaining $6 billion from banks, who if the refinery fails, take over Dangote's remaining assets to get their money back.

2.FG does not have $9 billion to spare. That's one quarter of our reserves (CBN would scream if anyone touches the reserves) and nearly 1/3 rd of our budget. Oil prices are too low for us to earn enough income. And who is going to give a loss making corrupt venture like NNPC a loan?
I quite understand that successive governments has failed this nation.
There has been infrasturectural neglect.
It is absord that a country like Nigeria will at this stage depend and rely on refined oil importation to survive at 61.
If all retrieved assets and looted money recovered has been diversified to building at leas one refinery things will be different.
As we have it now, nothing works. Everything is left halfway.
Education, transportation,power, health etc.
If a government cam handle just one successfully,subsequent governments to also face one and complete it, within 10-20 years things will normalize but as we have it now ,no sector is working.
For how long?
If care is not taking it will be degenerating because the entire world is sick now but developed countries are still better because some people laid the foundation
When will ours be laid?
Who will lay it?
How long?
We haven't started at all
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Nobody: 9:42am On Mar 20, 2021
oyejideogunjumo:

I quite understand that successive governments has failed this nation.
There has been infrasturectural neglect.
It is absord that a country like Nigeria will at this stage depend and rely on refined oil importation to survive at 61.
If all retrieved assets and looted money recovered has been diversified to building at leas one refinery things will be different.
As we have it now, nothing works. Everything is left halfway.
Education, transportation,power, health etc.
If a government cam handle just one successfully,subsequent governments to also face one and complete it, within 10-20 years things will normalize but as we have it now ,no sector is working.
For how long?
If care is not taking it will be degenerating because the entire world is sick now but developed countries are still better because some people laid the foundation
When will ours be laid?
Who will lay it?
How long?
We haven't started at all
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Nobody: 9:43am On Mar 20, 2021
oyejideogunjumo:

I quite understand that successive governments has failed this nation.
There has been infrasturectural neglect.
It is absord that a country like Nigeria will at this stage depend and rely on refined oil importation to survive at 61.
If all retrieved assets and looted money recovered has been diversified to building at leas one refinery things will be different.
As we have it now, nothing works. Everything is left halfway.
Education, transportation,power, health etc.
If a government cam handle just one successfully,subsequent governments to also face one and complete it, within 10-20 years things will normalize but as we have it now ,no sector is working.
For how long?
If care is not taking it will be degenerating because the entire world is sick now but developed countries are still better because some people laid the foundation
When will ours be laid?
Who will lay it?
How long?
We haven't started at all

It isn't just building a refinery...it is allowing the refinery to be profitable.

All our refinereis failed because they were not allowed to run at a profit, and because workers were paid whehter the thing ran well or not.

And the reason why they are not running at a profit is because Nigerians want cheap fuel
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by oyejideogunjumo: 9:55am On Mar 20, 2021
Subsidybad21:


It isn't just building a refinery...it is allowing the refinery to be profitable.

All our refinereis failed because they were not allowed to run at a profit, and because workers were paid whehter the thing ran well or not.

And the reason why they are not running at a profit is because Nigerians want cheap fuel
Nigerians are entitled to their God-given resources, fuel at cheaper rate.
Our neighbouring countries depend on our fuel for survival.
It is corruption that is the bane of our problem.
Other countries have working refineries and no problem.
When last was NNPC audited?
Those who collapsed the refinery, were they tried?
Can NNPC tell us the cost of producing a litre of petrol then we can fix the price adequately.
We may try PPP (Public-Private Partnership) if it will work.
During the era of subsidy subsidized fuel will be driven across the border to be sold at exorbitant price making double profit home here and outside.
Let death penalty be for saboteurs like China and other Orient countries.
Something has to be done.
We can't just continue this way.
May God send us a messiah
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Kubernetes: 10:01am On Mar 20, 2021
If the criticism is that the cost is too for the repair, I support their claim. But to come up with a grand plan that gvt should not repair the refineries means this criticizers are the ones benefitting from crude being refined outside or are the owners of these refineries outside the country
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Lugechy: 10:04am On Mar 20, 2021
triple996:
what is wrong with Nigerians self
if they have not built anything you guys will complain . they are trying to get our rifinary working you are still complaining. is it not the 9ja Delta that is complaining of marginalization especially about the non working refinaries. now that government is planning make them functional again, you guys are still complaining.
chaii

At what cost? The rehabilitation sum is highly exaggerated and expensive.
The level of corruption attached to this rehabilitation is mind boggling.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by Nobody: 10:13am On Mar 20, 2021
oyejideogunjumo:

Nigerians are entitled to their God-given resources, fuel at cheaper rate.

Chad and Niger both have oil, and fuel there sells for N350 per liter.

We also produce food, yet if we sold food below what it cost the famer to produce it, and what it cost the trader to bring it, both would be bankrupt

We have been bankrupting our fuel industry because cheap fuel. We lsot N4 trillion to keep fuel at N87 per liter. Money that could have been used to build refiniery

If you force refiners to sell at a loss in the name of cheap fuel, you get broken down refinereis.

Our neighbouring countries depend on our fuel for survival

At our expesne. Nigeria has lost billions to fuel smuggling.
.
It is corruption that is the bane of our problem.
Other countries have working refineries and no problem.

Niger has a working refinery because people there pay N350 for fuel. No subsidy. Refinery makes enough of a profit to keep running well.
Nigeria won't do the same

When last was NNPC audited?
Those who collapsed the refinery, were they tried?

Refinereis failed because we sold fuel below what it cost to make it.

Can NNPC tell us the cost of producing a litre of petrol then we can fix the price adequately

It would have been N165 in 2018 (when fuel was costing N145 per liter).
We may try PPP (Public-Private Partnership) if it will work.

And it will fail because we still subsidise and control the price of fuel. Niger does PPP for its single refinery, and they charge proper prices to MAKE A PRFIT keep it running...NOT n162 PER LITER...n350 PER LITER....and Lord knows they are poorer than us.

During the era of subsidy subsidized fuel will be driven across the border to be sold at exorbitant price making double profit home here and outside

And it still continues because we won't allow them to set their price like opther businessmen
.
Let death penalty be for saboteurs like China and other Orient countries.
Something has to be done.
We can't just continue this way

And that is a nice way to drive off investment, and to make it even more dififcult to make a prpfit to keep refinerieis running.

PLus China is a capitalist country. They charge heavily for fuel there..
May God send us a messiah

You are the one who can save Nigeria. Run for office.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by pompeiimagnus: 10:31am On Mar 20, 2021
triple996:
what is wrong with Nigerians self if they have not built anything you guys will complain . they are trying to get our rifinary working you are still complaining. is it not the 9ja Delta that is complaining of marginalization especially about the non working refinaries. now that government is planning make them functional again, you guys are still complaining. Chaii

Baba, if only you knew how many times previous governments have blown billions of dollars on these refineries. This will likely be another elephant project. Since Dangote's refinery is projected to be ready by 2023, a smart and progressive government would have been looking to sell 80% of their stake to private investors who can fund the upgrade of these refineries. The Saudis listed just 1.5% of Saudi Aramco on Wall Street and raised $26 billion. Just imagine!

The only way forward for Naija is innovation. If we keep doing business as usual, our massive population will continue to suffer.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by oyejideogunjumo: 10:40am On Mar 20, 2021
Subsidybad21:


Chad and Niger both have oil, and fuel there sells for N350 per liter.

We also produce food, yet if we sold food below what it cost the famer to produce it, and what it cost the trader to bring it, both would be bankrupt

We have been bankrupting our fuel industry because cheap fuel. We lsot N4 trillion to keep fuel at N87 per liter. Money that could have been used to build refiniery

If you force refiners to sell at a loss in the name of cheap fuel, you get broken down refinereis.



At our expesne. Nigeria has lost billions to fuel smuggling.
.


Niger has a working refinery because people there pay N350 for fuel. No subsidy. Refinery makes enough of a profit to keep running well.
Nigeria won't do the same



Refinereis failed because we sold fuel below what it cost to make it.



It would have been N165 in 2018 (when fuel was costing N145 per liter).


And it will fail because we still subsidise and control the price of fuel. Niger does PPP for its single refinery, and they charge proper prices to MAKE A PRFIT keep it running...NOT n162 PER LITER...n350 PER LITER....and Lord knows they are poorer than us.



And it still continues because we won't allow them to set their price like opther businessmen
.


And that is a nice way to drive off investment, and to make it even more dififcult to make a prpfit to keep refinerieis running.

PLus China is a capitalist country. They charge heavily for fuel there..


You are the one who can save Nigeria. Run for office.
It is unfortunate I can't reply you segment by segment.
But I will try remembering them.
From your last take to run for an office, you and I know that Nigeria political terrain is not ready for sincere and truthful people in many ways.
How much to collect just printed from?
What of campaign?
I will be at the background praying with my little hard earned money to feed.
You assumed the cost.
Let them make analysis and come out with the fact of cost of production here at home.
That is how to do business.
If we sell for 350 how many people will be able to afford it? Africa is backward because of lack of innovation.
We should have diversified to agriculture, mining, production of goods like cars etc.
PAN, Volks wage etc were assembled here in Nigeria when I was in secondary school.
Where are they now?
We have what it takes to develop but who will annex it?
Most mornings are done illegally. Who can do that? Is it poor citizens? No.
The cost of politics in too much.
If our economy is good no need for salary increase.
I when N20 was our highest money.
In the past you can't have up to N5k. Where will you get it.
As for death penalty you need not fear if you are innocent.
Let it be to curb and serve as deterrent.
Re: FG Set To Go Ahead With $1.5 Billion Refinery Revamp Despite Criticisms by pompeiimagnus: 10:43am On Mar 20, 2021
Subsidybad21:


It isn't just building a refinery...it is allowing the refinery to be profitable. All our refinereis failed because they were not allowed to run at a profit, and because workers were paid whehter the thing ran well or not. And the reason why they are not running at a profit is because Nigerians want cheap fuel

Personally, I always believe governments should focus on policies and leave businesses to private investors to manage. NNPC is possibly the most corrupt oil company in the world, so if you expect this same people to operate a business at a profit, then we are lost.

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