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Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by dre11(m): 8:31pm On Jul 09, 2021
By Jacob Segun Olatunji and Kehinde Akintola


The House of Representatives is expected to commence debate on the general principle of a bill that seeks to remove all forms of immunity clauses conferred on the President, Vice President, State Governors and Deputy Governors in the 1999 Constitution (as amended).

The private member bill which passed through First reading on the floor of the House, was sponsored by the immediate past Chairman, House Committee on Army, Hon. Rimamnde Shawulu Kwewum and seeks to amend section 308 of the Principal Act.

He maintained that the amendment being proposed will not pre-dispose President, Vice President as well as Governors and Executives to distraction as these are explicitly prohibited.


The lawmaker who argued that such immunity exists only in countries with weak democratic structures stressing that immunity for Executives has stunted our development and engendered democracy, hence “removing the blanket immunity clause would increase accountability and open up the creativity of Nigerian people.”

While citing the provisions in other jurisdictions, he observed that “there is absolute immunity from civil litigation for official acts undertaken” in the United States of America.

“The Supreme Court in the US held that the President does not possess absolute immunity from civil litigation surrounding acts he took before becoming the president. In 2020, the Supreme Court held that the president is subject to subpoenas in criminal prosecutions for personal conduct,” he noted.

According to him, in the United Kingdom, immunity from criminal prosecution is not enjoyed by members of parliament. Parliamentary immunity (parliamentary privileges) are allowed. No prosecution for what is disclosed in Parliamentary debates and processes.

He further observed that in France, only Parliamentary privileges/immunity are allowed. In Germany, there is only parliamentary privileges/immunity but parliament can vote to lift the immunity for specific members and allow prosecution of the President.

In Chile, there is Parliamentary immunity. No immunity for serving Presidents. Prosecutions can commence immediately after leaving office.

In Cote d’Ivoire, President is liable for acts done in the exercise of his office, can be prosecuted for high treason; in Fiji Island, there is full unconditional immunity for President, Prime Minister, etc.; in Kazakhstan, there is immunity for the President; in Lebanon, immunity while discharging functions of the office; in the neighbouring Niger Republic, immunity in the exercise of the function of office; No immunity for high treason; in Russia, inviolability of immunity for former and President while in Syria, immunity is granted except treason.


According to the proponent of the bill, the proposed amendment seeks to “make the category of persons named and /or referred to in subsection 3 of Section 308 of the Constitution become subject to legal proceedings, whether civil or criminal, during their period of office, that is, whilst holding such office.

Currently, Section 308 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria provides immunity for persons holding the office of President or Vice President, Governor or Deputy Governor under subsections (1)(a), (b) and (c); (2) and (3) thereof. In effect, by this Constitutional provision, the restriction is placed on legal proceedings for persons holding these offices under subsection (1) and (2) Section 308 Constitution of Federal Republic of Nigeria.

“The amendment proposed here, however, seeks to limit or remove such immunity, whether civil or criminal, provided however that the action and decisions contemplated therein do not relate to such issues as corrupted 0 to the crime of murder, treason, or any other personal crimes committed by the office holder as an individual whilst in or out of office.”

While calling for a paradigm shift with the view to outlaw the immunity clause, Hon. Shawulu argued that “Immunity for President and executives presumes that holders of the offices necessarily possess some form of divinity that immunes them from committing crimes and always act according to the law and the Constitution.

“Do not have any interest or loyalties that go against the state and its people and re above the law-meaning that the law does not apply to them. The above tenets do not conform to democracy and the natural law of justice. Besides, deifying human beings these regulations have protected heinous crimes against the people and the state.

“Increasingly, around the world, the rules of accountability and equality before the law are being strengthened,” he observed.


While frowning at the current provision which provides that such public office holders should ‘wait till after tenure’, the Taraba lawmaker

“Some well-meaning people have argued that executives should not be distracted; and that, frivolous cases may be brought up against such executives.

“The scenario of several cases cannot, however, prevent the strengthening of our system and constitutional framework to increase the greatest good for the highest number of people. Secondly, a chief executive-President or Vice President, Governor or Deputy Governor who commits a criminal offence has already distracted himself.

“Furthermore, such a criminal action itself disqualifies him from holding such a position and the very fact that he is suspected by law enforcement agencies and people of having committed such a criminal offence diminishes him and the offence he is occupying in the eyes of reasonable people.

“In addition, justice delayed is justice denied: assuming a President or Governor commits rape or murder, what if, lack of immediate prosecution leads to his tampering with witnesses or evidence?”

The bill which is expected to be gazetted for Second Reading is to be referred to the Special Ad-hoc Committee on Constitution Review for further legislative action.


https://tribuneonlineng.com/reps-mull-removal-of-immunity-for-president-vp-governor-deputy-governor/

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Kzinne: 8:33pm On Jul 09, 2021
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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by somito121(m): 8:36pm On Jul 09, 2021
This will be fantastic if achieved.

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Monogamy: 8:37pm On Jul 09, 2021
Only if they would be sincere.. But the bill won't get anywhere..

Politicians know how to protect themselves as some of those reps members are eyeing governorship position in their respective states

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Naijanascam: 8:51pm On Jul 09, 2021
Waoooo...... fantastic only if it can see the light of the day.......

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Mynd44: 11:15pm On Jul 09, 2021
Not going to happen

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by nonhuman(m): 11:24pm On Jul 09, 2021
Ok Remove immunity from everybody, I don't know why am angry for being a Nigerian, who even brought me here

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Praxis758: 11:24pm On Jul 09, 2021
Good.....

They hide under immunity to commit crimes.

No mortal citizen should be a sacred cow for the law to deal with

It is only in Nigeria that some citizens are above the and they flout the law as they wish.

Ex-presidents are being jailed in other civilised democracy but ours are seen as gods that wouldn't honour a court summon.

Most of them would even challenge the power of the court to heart their case and we claim to be fighting corruption.

Nigeria is far from waking up

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by nonhuman(m): 11:24pm On Jul 09, 2021
Remove immunity from everybody, I don't know why am angry for being a Nigerian, who even brought me here
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Penguin2: 4:20am On Jul 10, 2021
Personally I do not support the removal of immunity from the president, vp, Governor and deputy.

Just imagine what Saraki went through as Senate President because he hadn’t immunity.

Trust opposition politicians to keep dragging sitting presidents and governors to court on the flimsiest of excuses which would be a whole lot of distraction and won’t let him or her concentrate and work.

The framers of our constitution weren’t stupid when they put it.

Must we argue everything?

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by kingphilip(m): 4:36am On Jul 10, 2021
Monogamy:
Only if they would be sincere.. But the bill won't get anywhere..

Politicians know how to protect themselves as some of those reps members are eyeing governorship position in their respective states
Exactly what I wanted to say.

If it were the Senate, this bill might go far because some of them are ex governors but most of these HORs members already have eyes for the governorship position.
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by fitzmayowa: 5:03am On Jul 10, 2021
I don't think this would work as we are not yet mature for something like this, a case in point is the current president that hates criticism, imagine if there is no immunity for governors he would have probably ordered the arrest of any governor that dares criticise him....
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by fitzmayowa: 5:05am On Jul 10, 2021
Penguin2:
Personally I do not support the removal of immunity from the president, vp, Governor and deputy.

Just imagine what Saraki went through as Senate President because he hadn’t immunity.

Trust opposition politicians to keep dragging sitting presidents and governors to court on the flimsiest of excuses which would be a whole lot of distraction and won’t let him or her concentrate and work.

The framers of our constitution weren’t stupid when they put it.

Must we argue everything?

Our kind of politics would make it difficult to achieve, when all the key agency that would enforce this are not autonomous and are tools in the hands of politicians....

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Mysticwebb: 5:17am On Jul 10, 2021
When it eventually gets to the table of the president, it will remain there until a day before the expiration of tenure. It will be signed exactly at the eve of that day.

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Savagecontents: 5:29am On Jul 10, 2021
This bill won't see the light of the day
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by ArmaniUhuru: 5:29am On Jul 10, 2021
Dead on arrival
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by omoyankee3(m): 5:29am On Jul 10, 2021
No be only Mull, na Donkey
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by olmoRoc: 5:32am On Jul 10, 2021
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Gadafii: 5:33am On Jul 10, 2021
They shouldn't just remove immunity of these people, they should also stopped the stupid allowance they pay to past presidents, governors etc, Nigeria is broke and in serious debt, I see no reason why we should still be paying people like obasanjo,Jonathan, gowon and other past governors, simply because they were ex presidents ND governors.

If the money they looted when they were in position are not enough for them, they should go to construction sites and earn 2k daily, stupid leaders in a dead country

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Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by iamyemiakins(m): 5:33am On Jul 10, 2021
Mysticwebb:
When it eventually gets to the table of the president, it will remain there until a day before the expiration of tenure. It will be signed exactly at the eve of that day.
You don get am!
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by blackpanda: 5:35am On Jul 10, 2021
Dead on arrival

It can never be removed
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Asianjollof007: 5:36am On Jul 10, 2021
nonhuman:
Ok Remove immunity from everybody, I don't know why am angry for being a Nigerian, who even brought me here

Your parents
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by blackpanda: 5:36am On Jul 10, 2021
Mysticwebb:
When it eventually gets to the table of the president, it will remain there until a day before the expiration of tenure. It will be signed exactly at the eve of that day.


U have to get the assent of 2/3 of all the 36 states houses of assembly. We all know the governor's will never let that happen. The reps are just playing gimmicks
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by LandMann: 5:37am On Jul 10, 2021
Great development but I'm sure that 95% of members of the two most popular parties with extremely corrupt members won't support this bill.

This is where you see thieves protecting themselves
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Lexusgs430: 5:37am On Jul 10, 2021
I laugh in Haiti..... We need to contact those mercenaries....... wink
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Mindlog: 5:37am On Jul 10, 2021
Doubt it.
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by AntiChristian: 5:40am On Jul 10, 2021
Hmmm
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by Nobody: 5:41am On Jul 10, 2021
Wow..A new development. I think this year is for bill passing,law making and constitutional review.. God bless Nigeria
Re: Reps Mull Removal Of Immunity For Presidents, VPs, Governors, Deputy Governors by obembet(f): 5:42am On Jul 10, 2021
LandMann:
Great development but I'm sure that 95% of members of the two most popular parties with extremely corrupt members won't support this bill.

This is where you see thieves protecting themselves

Fact

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