MaxInDHouse:
Anybody can refute anything since each person has his/her own line of thought. That is what gives room for continuous learning with no evidence of accurate knowledge {2Timothy 3:7} as each person will come up with his/her own arguments {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9} that's how the churches kept doing until there emerged over 41,000 different religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Luke 11:23

So instead of refuting what a group teaches with arguments based on letters found in the Bible why not ask for the group that got things right? The letters can be rephrased to soothe anyone's opinion but the spirit of God (that doesn't give room for confusion) will only work with the group that's doing the right thing! 2Corinthians 3:6

Please instead of going about with arguments against all the religions around why not focus on finding the group that's practicing pure worship so that you can be assured that you've found the truth?
If you call a Catholic, Anglican, Apostolic, CAC, RCCG, MFM, Winner, Chosen, Christ Embassy, Cele, C&S, Jehovah's Witnesses, ECWA, Four Square and Muslim to start arguing on letters found in the Bible each will continue to argue in support of the viewpoint of what they were taught as interpretations of those letters. But when you ask for the group in whose midst there is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL, that's when most argumentators will become uncomfortable because we all know that against a group of imperfect humans exhibiting these qualities there is nothing worthwhile anybody have to say! Galatians 5:22-23

So my advice to you is find out the group of people that's practicing what God wants then compare to your own viewpoint of those letters otherwise you will always find people who will continue to argue yet there is nothing to show for their fruitless arguments!

MaxInDHouse:
Anybody can refute anything since each person has his/her own line of thought. That is what gives room for continuous learning with no evidence of accurate knowledge {2Timothy 3:7} as each person will come up with his/her own arguments {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9} that's how the churches kept doing until there emerged over 41,000 different religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Luke 11:23

So instead of refuting what a group teaches with arguments based on letters found in the Bible why not ask for the group that got things right? The letters can be rephrased to soothe anyone's opinion but the spirit of God (that doesn't give room for confusion) will only work with the group that's doing the right thing! 2Corinthians 3:6

Please instead of going about with arguments against all the religions around why not focus on finding the group that's practicing pure worship so that you can be assured that you've found the truth?
If you call a Catholic, Anglican, Apostolic, CAC, RCCG, MFM, Winner, Chosen, Christ Embassy, Cele, C&S, Jehovah's Witnesses, ECWA, Four Square and Muslim to start arguing on letters found in the Bible each will continue to argue in support of the viewpoint of what they were taught as interpretations of those letters. But when you ask for the group in whose midst there is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL, that's when most argumentators will become uncomfortable because we all know that against a group of imperfect humans exhibiting these qualities there is nothing worthwhile anybody have to say! Galatians 5:22-23

So my advice to you is find out the group of people that's practicing what God wants then compare to your own viewpoint of those letters otherwise you will always find people who will continue to argue yet there is nothing to show for their fruitless arguments!

Myer:


Even God seems to have refuted "Jehovah's witness organisation".

I've never met a successful JW. Mention one except the founder.

Also when you go to a JW fellowship all you hear is how they are being persecuted. Because they are just too stubborn. And we know stubbornness is a sin as witchcraft. 1 Sam 15:23

Persecution is their pride.
Your founder obviously has brainwashed you with his minsterpretation of Persecution.
Yes true Christians experience Persecution in the name of Christ.
But it's not every Persecution that makes you a Christian. Otherwise even criminals are being persecuted, does that make them Christians?
When you disobey the laws of any land, you will be persecuted.
And we know that God instituted authorities in every Land.

The action refuting is not that you don't preach the Bible. It is your misinsterpretation of the Bible.

For starters you have your own adulterated version of the Bible. Which you impose on yoru members.

You have also managed to completely blot out every part of the new testament that speaks on the works of the Holyspirit.

Jesus Christ whom you serve taught that he would send send Holyspirit and he highlighted the works of the Holyspirit. Also the apostles. But all these you have denied as you claim that spiritual gifts have expired.

I wish I could slap you to reality but as long as you worship there you will be blinded by the brainwashing.
And the worst part is the psychological effect of not wanting to risk losing everything you have worked for. So you keep deceiving yourself even when you know the truth that most of JW teachings are wrong.

This stupidity is very luminous.
Continue typing GIBBERISH

Myer:

Even God seems to have refuted "Jehovah's witness organisation".

ciro11:

Chairman, I nor know why you dey answer this guy oo, leave am he deserves no explanation from you, don't waste your energy on him

sagenaija:
Jehovah's Witnesses Refuted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kox1QCcaAsc
1. On JW's claim of Jesus being an angelic being.
Hebrews 1 refutes the claim that Jesus is an angelic being.
In Heb. 1 v. 3 we have that Jesus is the "exact representation" of God's nature. Exact means exact. Nothing less. In the same verse we are told that Jesus "upholds all things by the word of his power ". It takes omnipotence to uphold ALL THINGS at the same time. A creature is incapable of such power.
.

Even Jesus Christ exists in the image of God.
Man , Angels, Jesus "the first born of every creature",all exists in the image of God.
Sagenaija dey DECEIVE himself.

sagenaija:

In v.4 Jesus's Superiority Over Angels is shown with the statement that Jesus is "MUCH SUPERIOR to angels"
"So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs."
Hebrews 1:4 NIV
We see here that Jesus is superior, in quality and position, to the angels.
.

sagenaija:

When we are told in Hebrews 1:5 "For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
That rhetoric question makes us come to only one conclusion: God never said that to ANY angel.

sagenaija:

CLEARLY the book of Hebrews emphasizes the superiority of Jesus over ALL angels[/b]. No matter the class or ranking of the angel.

Yes !
Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7 & 1 Thess4:16, did your Bible confirm Jesus the leader of all angels?
Yes!

Daniel 10:13 is very correct, Jesus Christ is the archangel meaning Leader of all angels.
Genesis 16:7, Malachi 3:1,Amplified Bible & Geneva Bible,did your Trinitarian devotees & Bible Translators confirm Jesus Christ is an angel?

sagenaija:


In v.6 we see that all the angels of God are to worship him. No elect angel gets or accepts the worship of any other created being. But we see here angels themselves worshiping one who is obviously superior to them.

Hebrews 1:6 Complete Jerusalem Bible, "pay homage, your Trinitarian mentors, the Catholic church Bible said so
Homage is NOT worship.
Matthew 4:4 & John 4:23-24, Jesus says continue your disobedience

sagenaija:


JWs are yet to show how the worship of God and the Lamb in portions like Revelation 7 agree with their own interpretation of obeisance to Jesus rather than direct worship of him. It is clear here that BOTH God and the Lamb are the focus of the worship by the heavenly crowd. Nothing here says that one is being worshipped while the other is simply 'respected'.

sagenaija:

In v.10 we see a clear rebuttal of JW's claim that Jesus was first created and then created other things. We are told here: "And, you LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth. And the heavens are the works of your hands"

sagenaija:

Linking this to John 1:3 where we are told that: "All things came into being through him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being" we see that JW's claim that he was first created is again busted here. If NOTHING came into being apart from Jesus it means he was UNCREATED.

sagenaija:

JW's attempt to adjust Col. 1:16 to read that he created "other" things fall apart based on John's statement here. They forgot to add "other" to the 'all things' here in John 1:16 to adjust the translation to their doctrinal leaning.
.

Did Jesus create his own Father?
Sagenaija bring evidence chapter & verse.
"other things" @ Colossians 1:16 excludes his Father. Biblical Fact and clarity.
Please continue WAILING

When you Sagenaija copy GIBBERISH from your Trinity mentors you type GIBBERISH.
John 1:16
"For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness"
Where you copy your John 1:16 GIBBERISH?
Your bigotry no good at all !!!

sagenaija:

2. On JW's misuse of 1 Thessalonians 4:16
JW's claim that because that portion states that Jesus will "descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel" then it means he is an archangel.
[s]If we are to follow their logic, does it then mean that the second part of the verse which states "with the trumpet call" makes Jesus a trumpet? Of course the answer is: No! But JW's logic would mean that if the first part makes him an archangel then he should also be a trumpet[/s].
.

sagenaija:

3. On claim that Jesus did not rise bodily but with a 'spirit body'.

sagenaija:

JWS claim that 'the man Jesus is dead; for ever dead'. This contradicts 1 Corinthians 15: 15-20 which clearly says he has indeed been raised from the dead.

sagenaija:

In the Gospel when Jesus asks Thomas to touch touch him he referred to his nail pierced hands and the spear pierced side. This means that it is the same body as was on the cross.
In Luke 24 when Jesus appeared to his disciples 'He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have".
He showed them his hands and feet. He referred to himself as flesh and bones. His physical body did not simply disappear or disintegrate in the tomb.
.

sagenaija:

4. On means of salvation by JWS
JW teaching about salvation rests on following the GB. JWS believe "obedience to the 'faithful slaves' will determine your salvation"
[s]So, the true freedom and peace which comes from the gospel of grace in Christ Jesus is absent with the JW[/s].

Myer:


Even God seems to have refuted "Jehovah's witness organisation".

I've never met a successful JW. Mention one except the founder.

Also when you go to a JW fellowship all you hear is how they are being persecuted. Because they are just too stubborn. And we know stubbornness is a sin as witchcraft. 1 Sam 15:23

Persecution is their pride.
Your founder obviously has brainwashed you with his minsterpretation of Persecution.
Yes true Christians experience Persecution in the name of Christ.
But it's not every Persecution that makes you a Christian. Otherwise even criminals are being persecuted, does that make them Christians?
When you disobey the laws of any land, you will be persecuted.
And we know that God instituted authorities in every Land.

The action refuting is not that you don't preach the Bible. It is your misinsterpretation of the Bible.

For starters you have your own adulterated version of the Bible. Which you impose on yoru members.

You have also managed to completely blot out every part of the new testament that speaks on the works of the Holyspirit.

Jesus Christ whom you serve taught that he would send send Holyspirit and he highlighted the works of the Holyspirit. Also the apostles. But all these you have denied as you claim that spiritual gifts have expired.

I wish I could slap you to reality but as long as you worship there you will be blinded by the brainwashing.
And the worst part is the psychological effect of not wanting to risk losing everything you have worked for. So you keep deceiving yourself even when you know the truth that most of JW teachings are wrong.

Nothingserious:
Jesus had a bodily resurrection from the dead.
He said to them to touch him to show he was neither a spirit or an apparition. And they physically touched him to dispel any theory of hallucinations or visions.

He also ate fish with them which a spirit wouldn’t do.

He showed his wounds to them and to Thomas to feel too. That wasn’t a trance or a vision.

“See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having.

And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat?

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish. And he took it, and ate before them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:39-43‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.39-43.asv


“For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received:

that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

and that he was buried;

and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures;

and that he appeared to Cephas; then to the twelve; then he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep;

then he appeared to James; then to all the apostles; and last of all, as to the child untimely born, he appeared to me also.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-8‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/1co.15.3-8.asv

MaxInDHouse:


So Abraham hurried to the tent to Sarah and said: “Quick! Get three measures of fine flour, knead the dough, and make loaves of bread.” Next Abraham ran to the herd and chose a tender and good young bull. He gave it to the attendant, who hurried to prepare it.  He then took butter and milk and the young bull that he had prepared and set the food before them. Then he stood by them under the tree as they were eating. Genesis 18:6-8

The three visitors eating, were they humans or spirits putting on materialised bodies? Hebrews 13:2

Nothingserious:

The argument is on Jesus having a bodily form after his resurrection and not on his divinity.
He was human and divine, and so were the divine figures in human form with Abraham.
You are talking about divine figures now.
Do you also have any comment about Paul’s letter of the appearances and that of his showing of wounds to Thomas?

Nothingserious:

He also ate fish with them which a spirit wouldn’t do.

MaxInDHouse:


Below is what you said:



Three persons visited Abraham and they ate food! according to Paul these three persons were angels (spirits), Hebrews 13:2

That's why i asked the question!

Nothingserious:


Yes. Those guys came in human form and interacted with Abraham in human form even though they were divine.

Nothingserious:


Yes. Those guys came in human form and interacted with Abraham in human form even though they were divine.

So Jesus could eat fish as human who was also divine.

MaxInDHouse:


Let me not put you in a tight corner!

Jesus' resurrection wasn't in human form!

First of all, remember that his body became unrecognizable even by his former closest confidants {Luke 24:15-16} then he couldn't sleep in anyone's home after his resurrection which spirits also don't do. Luke 24:28-30

So Jesus only put on materialised body to prove that the spirit person who came from heaven, born by a virgin, executed and buried is now alive, as for his former body which they knew and can easily recognize that's what he used as the sacrifice for our sin, it is no more retrievable. He only put on all those wounds to convince Thomas who at the time is yet to understand spiritual things. Jesus was buried in a corruptible body (one that's damageable) but was resurrected in incorruptible body (one that can't be damaged) it's human bodies that can be damaged the body with which Jesus resurrected is spirit (body that can't be damaged)

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Corinthians15:42-44

So Jesus' resurrection wasn't in the physical body but spiritual body, he only materialised bodies that can be seen, felt and touched to convince his friends who are yet to grasp what was happening. It was after they were baptized with Holy Spirit that they began understanding all these things! John 16:12-13

MaxInDHouse:


Let me not put you in a tight corner!

Jesus' resurrection wasn't in human form!

First of all, remember that his body became unrecognizable even by his former closest confidants {Luke 24:15-16} then he couldn't sleep in anyone's home after his resurrection which spirits also don't do. Luke 24:28-30

So Jesus only put on materialised body to prove that the spirit person who came from heaven, born by a virgin, executed and buried is now alive, as for his former body which they knew and can easily recognize that's what he used as the sacrifice for our sin, it is no more retrievable. He only put on all those wounds to convince Thomas who at the time is yet to understand spiritual things. Jesus was buried in a corruptible body (one that's damageable) but was resurrected in incorruptible body (one that can't be damaged) it's human bodies that can be damaged the body with which Jesus resurrected is spirit (body that can't be damaged)

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Corinthians15:42-44

So Jesus' resurrection wasn't in the physical body but spiritual body, he only materialised bodies that can be seen, felt and touched to convince his friends who are yet to grasp what was happening. It was after they were baptized with Holy Spirit that they began understanding all these things! John 16:12-13

Nothingserious:

That’s a wrong interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15 you got there. I would like you to go the whole way and give us a full interpretation of the whole discuss on sin, spiritual body, corruption and Adam.
You also made a wrong interpretation of Luke 24:28. I am trying to get your source of Jesus not being able to sleep in the house from that verse. Unless you are getting extra biblical sources?

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus died and was resurrected but his friends can't recognize him, then he only appears and disappears randomly, they never knew where he is staying after his death and resurrection.
So go and meditate on this, whatever you conclude use it to preach and teach whoever comes your way. As for millions having the same line of thought globally {John 17:22} what i'm telling you is the interpretation that the spirit guiding our global family taught us! John 16:12-13
It's not compulsory you and i agree on interpretation of what we can both read, you're free to worship with those that have the same line of thought with you while i also worship with those with whom i share the same line of thought! John 4:24; 1Corinthians 1:10

Thanks for sharing your time with me!

Nothingserious:
“But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit.

And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart?

See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;

for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.

And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? And he took it, and ate before them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:37-41, 43‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.37-41,43.asv

Nothingserious:

Thank you for your time too.
Like I said, the burden of proof shifts to you to show us beyond reasonable doubt why you think Jesus did not resurrect in his physical body contrary to the Bible accounts. The accounts showed he specifically told them he wasn’t a spirit and that he could be felt, he ate with them, he appeared to many and they didn’t have group hallucinations which is not possible. And the witnesses testified they saw him. We are not discussing his divinity. He was divine of course. But the Bible specifically recorded that he was physically seen after resurrection and was recognized by some of his disciples.“But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? And he took it, and ate before them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:37-41, 43‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.37-41,43.asv
“not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:41‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/act.10.41.asv
“And behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and took hold of his feet, and worshipped him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:9‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/mat.28.9.asv

sagenaija:
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MaxinDHouse, I suppose it's ok when you label others 'apostates', 'despicable elements', 'useless', 'fool', etc (need I continue?) but when I talk about others you feel you have the onus to lecture me on what or what not to do. Interesting!

What I presented was the Scripture. Apparently it hit you hard, and because you know that, if you're to be sincere with yourself, you have no arguments against what I presented, you chose to deflect issues to some other things totally unrelated to what I posted.

Do companies point out things that make a product fake so that the buying public can distinguish between them and the original? The answer is 'Yes!'
Maybe you would consider those companies 'foolish' for showing people what the 'FAKE!' looks like.
They are foolish because only MaxinDHouse knows the best approach. Those who don't follow his approach are wrong because he's the expert.

Contrary to what you posted it is possible to point out the FAKE to help people recognize it when they see it.

You have chosen to avoid the Scripture because you can see where there are conflicts with what your GB give you guys.

Remember when you said that the the First and the Last in Isaiah 48 is Jehovah and the one in Revelation is Jesus.

And I asked: Are there two different "the First and the Last" persons ‐ one being Jehovah and the other Jesus Christ?

What did you do? You ran for cover.

You ran for cover because you could see what the two passages were pointing to but the conclusion you'd come to will be at variance with your DOGMA. So, you chose the easy way out. You chose to place your DOGMA over the Scripture.

Others who are reading us will indeed know how to sift the wheat from the chaff.

Nothingserious:


Thank you for your time too.
Like I said, the burden of proof shifts to you to show us beyond reasonable doubt why you think Jesus did not resurrect in his physical body contrary to the Bible accounts. The accounts showed he specifically told them he wasn’t a spirit and that he could be felt, he ate with them, he appeared to many and they didn’t have group hallucinations which is not possible. And the witnesses testified they saw him.

Nothingserious:

We are not discussing his divinity. He was divine of course. But the Bible specifically recorded that he was physically seen after resurrection and was recognized by some of his disciples.

Nothingserious:


“But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit.

And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart?

See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;

for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.

And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? And he took it, and ate before them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:37-41, 43‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.37-41,43.asv


“not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:41‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/act.10.41.asv

“And behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and took hold of his feet, and worshipped him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:9‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/mat.28.9.asv

Janosky:

4 Questions for you:
Luke 24:4 are the two men humans?

John 17:5 & Phil 2:7 did Jesus have that glory as a man?

John 17:24, will Jesus be given back the glory as a man?

Luke 24:25 & Phil 2:9-10,will Jesus enter the glory as a man?

MaxInDHouse:


Well that's the one and only group having the oneness of thought that Jesus fervently prayed for! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3
And regarding success it's obvious you don't know what that means because if there is a group where all the members globally have access to complete Bibles and other publications even in the world's poorest nations that people there can't afford a Bible, then it means such a group is the most successful as Jesus' order for all members to have the spiritual SWORD is fulfilled in their midst! Luke 22:36 compare to John 17:17 and Ephesians 6:17

MaxInDHouse:


One thing i realized is that most people can't differentiate between envious criticism and a correction. If Jesus resurrected with his human body then what exactly did he give as the sacrifice for the sin of mankind?
Adam brought mankind to this sinful condition but Jesus gave his body to redeem us {John 6:51} that's why Paul said:

So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1Corinthians 15:45

Please ask our friends who did Paul said became a life giving SPIRIT and when did the last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT?

Jesus said there are many things he supposed to tell his disciples but as at the time when they're yet baptized with Holy Spirit they can't grasp it! John 16:12-13

Please my brother let them be, if they have Jesus let them present the evidence by pointing out the organization of people who are like brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers and children among themselves because that's what Jesus told Peter as evidence of being on the road to everlasting life! Mark 10:28-30

In the absence of Jesus the only EVIDENCE is an organization of people like one big family, if they can present that then we can talk but if not then each of them should go and worship with anyone having the same line of thought with them! John 17:20-23