Kobojunkie:
God what you are saying is that God shouid have denied Jephthah the chance to make a decision as far as his vow because God foreknew Jephthah's choice ?

In essence you are here suggesting that God ought to deny men the benefits of the Contract agreement He made with men, this because men will turn around and do evil still?

You need to think things through before you respond.
How about this scenario: Jephthah makes a request from a god and promises to offer a sacrifice for it.
A god (who's meant to have sense) sees that it'll lead to the death of an innocent child, therefore promises to grant Jephthah his wish but goes ahead to tell him the sacrifice shouldn't be done no matter the outcome.
In conclusion: A wise god will prevent Jephthah from carrying out such act but still go ahead to grant him his wish. Simple.

kingxsamz:
You need to think things through before you respond.
How about this scenario: Jephthah makes a request from a god and promises to offer a sacrifice for it.
A god (who's meant to have sense) sees that it'll lead to the death of an innocent child, therefore promises to grant Jephthah his wish but goes ahead to tell him the sacrifice shouldn't be done no matter the outcome.
In conclusion: A wise god will prevent Jephthah from carrying out such act but still go ahead to grant him his wish. Simple.

The only scenario that exists in this case is what is in fact stated right there in the story.

Quit with the now pretty obvious desperate attempts to shift blame here for Pete's sake.

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1. God made it known by His Law that human sacrifices were absolutely out of the question as far as that which He desires from His people, Israel.

2. Jephthah asked God for help, promising to offer God a burnt sacrifice of that which first thing that comes out of his house when he returns from victory.

3. Jephthah, ignoring God's decree, concluded that since his daughter was the first to come out of the house when he returned from victory, he would offer her a burnt sacrifice to God.

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God gave men Laws to chose for themselves their fate and end. God never stipulated in His agreement that He would deny men their rightful benefits in order to force men to comply with His given Law. Instead punishments are meant for when one breaks the Law and rewards for when one obeys the Law.

A wise God is one who sticks to the terms and conditions of His agreement, not one who stands in the way of even the freedoms He has given His subjects.

Kobojunkie:
The only scenario that exists in this case is what is in fact stated right there in the story.

Quit with the now pretty obvious desperate attempts to shift blame here for Pete's sake.

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1. God made it known by His Law that human sacrifices were absolutely out of the question as far as that which He desires from His people, Israel.

2. Jephthah asked God for help, promising to offer God a burnt sacrifice of that which first thing that comes out of his house when he returns from victory.

3. Jephthah, ignoring God's decree, concluded that since his daughter was the first to come out of the house when he returned from victory, he would offer her a burnt sacrifice to God.

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God gave men Laws to chose for themselves their fate and end. God never stipulated in His agreement that He would deny men their rightful benefits in order to force men to comply with His given Law. Instead punishments are meant for when one breaks the Law and rewards for when one obeys the Law.

Jephthah promised to sacrifice whatever to an omniscient god who knew an innocent life would be on the line. A sensible being would grant the wish while preventing the loss of innocent lives. There's no where in the verse that the Christian god condemns his actions. Instead he goes ahead to grant him his wish like he was okay with it. Never held him back for once.

A wise God is one who sticks to the terms and conditions of His agreement, not one who stands in the way of even the freedoms He has given His subjects.

Yeah just as he forcefully made Pharaoh stubborn just so he can kill the children of Egypt. Stick to terms my ass.



And going by all you've said, that means you can promise your god 5 human heads only if he grants you 10million naira, and the god will foolishly give you because he wants to stick to terms? Chai.
This is why Christianity will forever remain a joke.

kingxsamz:

Jephthah promised to sacrifice whatever to an omniscient god who knew an innocent life would be on the line. A sensible being would grant the wish while preventing the loss of innocent lives. There's no where in the verse that the Christian god condemns his actions. Instead he goes ahead to grant him his wish like he was okay with it. Never held him back for once.

Yeah just as he forcefully made Pharaoh stubborn just so he can kill the children of Egypt. Stick to terms my ass.

And going by all you've said, that means you can promise your god 5 human heads only if he grants you 10million naira, and the god will foolishly give you because he wants to stick to terms? Chai.

Anywho, anyone who cares to read up on what is in fact written of the story of Jephthah and his daughter can read up on it in Judges 11 - 12

As for what God days of Human sacrifices in His Law, read Deuteronomy 12 vs 26 - 32 & Deuteronomy 18 vs 9 - 13

9 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, don’t learn to do the terrible things the people of the other nations there do.
10 Don’t sacrifice your sons or daughters in the fires on your altars.
Don’t try to learn what will happen in the future by talking to a fortuneteller or by going to a magician, a witch, or a sorcerer.
11 Don’t let anyone try to put magic spells on other people. Don’t let any of your people become a medium or a wizard. And no one should try to talk with someone who has died.
12 The Lord hates anyone who does these things. And because these other nations do these terrible things, the Lord your God will force them out of the land as you enter it.
13 You must be faithful to the Lord your God, never doing anything he considers wrong. - Deuteronomy 18 vs 9 - 13

Kobojunkie:


Anywho, anyone who cares to read up on what is in fact written of the story of Jephthah and his daughter can read up on it in Judges 11 - 12

As for what God days of Human sacrifices in His Law, read Deuteronomy 12 vs 26 - 32 & Deuteronomy 18 vs 9 - 13

Whatever law the god gave doesn't matter because he himself commands men to break them. Just like how he asked men to kill babies when he had already given them a law not to kill.

In conclusion: the law "Thou shall not kill" was given to the Israelites.
This same law was broken when the Christian god asked these same Israelites to kill children and babies.
So @Kobojunkie, that's one of the contradictions the op was talking about. Thank you and good day.

Steep:

when Judges sentences murderers to death, is it OK for executioners to carry out the murder?

So by implication, religion is man made (your sudden reference to judges), since you avoided my question about God being ok with killing?

kingxsamz:
Is this you comparing your god to an ordinary human judge?

Answer the question and stop deflecting.

That means he has the right to ask humans to carry out human sacrifices right? Answer.

God does not accept human sacrifice, it is not a matter of 'right' but what God accept or not.
Throughout the Bible except the sacrifice of Jesus, and that is becaue Jesus himself was God not a mere man.

kingxsamz:
In conclusion: the law "Thou shall not kill" was given to the Israelites.
This same law was broken when the Christian god asked these same Israelites to kill children and babies.
So @Kobojunkie, that's one of the contradictions the op was talking about. Thank you and good day.

thou shall not kill is a universal law even before the commandments was given, was humans knew it.
I asked you a question which you dodged,
Under the constitution of Nigeria
Why do you not have right to kill? Yet the judge has right to kill?

Jman24:



So by implication, religion is man made (your sudden reference to judges), since you avoided my question about God being ok with killing?

Ignorance! According to the Bible man is created in the image of God, what does that tell you?
That some of the characters of humans actually originated from God.
Characters like love, goodness, faithfulness, justice, truth, justice etc are from God.

My friend stop dodging my question why is it that humans judges have right to kill but a lay man have no right?

These atheists prove to be very stupid and ignorant.
They avoid the questions and begin to straw man.
The only thread they seem to hold is the death of children but I am going to cut that thread shortly

Even doctors can abhort a baby when the situation is that both mother's life and baby is at risk if the baby is not abhorted.

Steep:
thou shall not kill is a universal law even before the commandments was given, was humans knew it.
I asked you a question which you dodged,
Under the constitution of Nigeria
Why do you not have right to kill? Yet the judge has right to kill?

A judge sentences a criminal to death based on the gravity or their offence.
There's no judge who sentences innocent people, especially children to death for a crime they didn't commit. So your question is basseles
The bible contradicts itself. That's the point.

Steep:
Answer the question and stop deflecting.





God does not accept human sacrifice, it is not a matter of 'right' but what God accept or not.
Throughout the Bible except the sacrifice of Jesus, and that is becaue Jesus himself was God not a mere man.

Since it's a matter of what he accepts or not, then he can make human sacrifices a law if he accepts it tomorrow. Abi no be so? Or you have issues understanding the question?

Steep:
Even doctors can abhort a baby when the situation is that both mother's life and baby is at risk if the baby is not abhorted.

I thought your "god's wisdom" was supposed to supersede that of humans. How come you're comparing it to humans? Or isn't abortion a sin anymore? You Christians and own goals.

Steep:

Ignorance! According to the Bible man is created in the image of God, what does that tell you?
That some of the characters of humans actually originated from God.
Characters like love, goodness, faithfulness, justice, truth, justice etc are from God.

My friend stop dodging my question why is it that humans judges have right to kill but a lay man have no right?

I'm still asking. If Human judges have the right to kill justly, doesn't it make religion man made?

It would have made more sense if the commandment had said; "thou shall not kill unjustly"
English language is too difficult for you


... by the way, innocent children in the good book were also ordered to be killed so your argument is baseless

What would you have me see in the link. A wiki about contradictions in the bible?

budaatum:


I dare say, quite a lot in it contradicts itself and is contradicted by other sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_of_the_Bible?wprov=sfla1

kingxsamz:


A judge sentences a criminal to death based on the gravity or their offence.
There's no judge who sentences innocent people, especially children to death for a crime they didn't commit. So your question is basseles
The bible contradicts itself. That's the point.

I didn't ask you about the gravity of the offense, how come a judge has right to sentence a guilty to death but you don't have same right?

kingxsamz:


Since it's a matter of what he accepts or not, then he can make human sacrifices a law if he accepts it tomorrow. Abi no be so? Or you have issues understanding the question?

God does not change so your assertion is baseless

Jman24:

I'm still asking. If Human judges have the right to kill justly, doesn't it make religion man made?

It would have made more sense if the commandment had said; "thou shall not kill unjustly"
English language is too difficult for you


... by the way, innocent children in the good book were also ordered to be killed so your argument is baseless

you are not bright
Are you discussing religion or God? Which one?
Humans made cars that can move, going by your stupid logic, it means man is a product of cars.

StJohnofChrist:
What would you have me see in the link. A wiki about contradictions in the bible?

I don't believe I need to tell you what you can look at and see for yourself because I trust you know how to use your eyes.

Steep:
God does not change so your assertion is baseless

If your god does not change, why did his laws change?

Steep:

I didn't ask you about the gravity of the offense, how come a judge has right to sentence a guilty to death but you don't have same right?

That's because a judge is qualified for the job. And anyone can become a judge if they follow the right precedures, even you. It's not a position you just wake up to and begin to execute.
That's like asking why elected officials have to control the affairs of a state and not just random citizens. It's a position you work towards and earn.
Did anyone grant your god the position to murder innocent children? Your question is unintelligent and a sorry piece of an excuse to exempt your god from holding the title of being a genocidal tyrant. You're only proving my point. Come up with something reasonable.
Your colleague said it's okay if rape is allowed by your god, as long as it's his law. Y'all are sick.

Jman24:



I'm still asking. If Human judges have the right to kill justly, doesn't it make religion man made?

It would have made more sense if the commandment had said; "thou shall not kill unjustly"
English language is too difficult for you


... by the way, innocent children in the good book were also ordered to be killed so your argument is baseless

Religion has clouded his senses.
If not he'd have realised that in no sane world are judges serving people death sentences over crimes they're not found guilty of.
He doesn't even know that he's shooting himself in the foot by comparing human judges who judge fairly if one is found guilty, to his god who murders babies for no damn reason.

Kobojunkie:
The only scenario that exists in this case is what is in fact stated right there in the story.

Quit with the now pretty obvious desperate attempts to shift blame here for Pete's sake.

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1. God made it known by His Law that human sacrifices were absolutely out of the question as far as that which He desires from His people, Israel.

2. Jephthah asked God for help, promising to offer God a burnt sacrifice of that which first thing that comes out of his house when he returns from victory.

3. Jephthah, ignoring God's decree, concluded that since his daughter was the first to come out of the house when he returned from victory, he would offer her a burnt sacrifice to God.

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God gave men Laws to chose for themselves their fate and end. God never stipulated in His agreement that He would deny men their rightful benefits in order to force men to comply with His given Law. Instead punishments are meant for when one breaks the Law and rewards for when one obeys the Law.

A wise God is one who sticks to the terms and conditions of His agreement, not one who stands in the way of even the freedoms He has given His subjects.

So what was the consequence for offering human sacrifice?

We can talk around and around this issue but there can be no denying the blatant and obvious biblical truth which is that YHWH was/is genocidal and filicidal. He accepts and is appeased by human sacrifice. This so obviously and blatantly the case in Judaism but more so in Christianity, the entire edifice of which is based on the human sacrifice of Jesus for the cleansing of sins.

Apparently there is no other way for YHWH to forgive you. Even the sheep and goats that were substituted for humans would not do the trick so in the end Jesus had to die.

Yhwh directly asks for and admits to asking for Humans to be sacrificed and the Bible demonstrates this by being full of human sacrifices.

Kobojunkie:

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1. God made it known by His Law that human sacrifices were absolutely out of the question as far as that which He desires from His people, Israel.

2. Jephthah asked God for help, promising to offer God a burnt sacrifice of that which first thing that comes out of his house when he returns from victory.

3. Jephthah, ignoring God's decree, concluded that since his daughter was the first to come out of the house when he returned from victory, he would offer her a burnt sacrifice to God.

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God gave men Laws to chose for themselves their fate and end. God never stipulated in His agreement that He would deny men their rightful benefits in order to force men to comply with His given Law. Instead punishments are meant for when one breaks the Law and rewards for when one obeys the Law.

A wise God is one who sticks to the terms and conditions of His agreement, not one who stands in the way of even the freedoms He has given His subjects.

LordReed:
So what was the consequence for offering human sacrifice?

We are not told anything else about Jephthah after that so I don't know.

PastorAIO:
We can talk around and around this issue but there can be no denying the blatant and obvious biblical truth which is that YHWH was/is genocidal and filicidal. He accepts and is appeased by human sacrifice. This so obviously and blatantly the case in Judaism but more so in Christianity, the entire edifice of which is based on the human sacrifice of Jesus for the cleansing of sins.

Apparently there is no other way for YHWH to forgive you. Even the sheep and goats that were substituted for humans would not do the trick so in the end Jesus had to die.

Yhwh directly asks for and admits to asking for Humans to be sacrificed and the Bible demonstrates this by being full of human sacrifices.

OK

LordReed:


So what was the consequence for offering human sacrifice?

Well according to the bible the reason for YHWH asking for human sacrifice was an act of bitterness and wickedness towards the Hebrews. He demanded it precisely because he knew that it would bring them to ruin.

EZEKIEL 20:
25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

So we see that it was all done so that the Hebrew would know that he is Yhwh.

When we heard that the first fruits of the Hebrews whether cattle or crops are to be offered up as a burnt offering to yhwh, BUT the first born human children are to be REDEEMED, a practice called "Pidyon Haben".

The question we ought to ask is 'redeemed from what'? If the parents cannot afford the silver to 'redeem' their first borns then what would happen to them? In other words what are they getting redeemed from.


Without a doubt there has been a lot of redaction of the bible but something so ingrained in the worship of yhwh cannot be scrubbed out completely and the OT is replete with vestiges of the practice. All this despite the desperate efforts to expunge it from the records.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidyon_haben

Kobojunkie:
OK

You ought not to just say 'OK' like that without asking questions. that is how you won't learn.

Kobojunkie:
We are not told anything else about Jephthah after that so I don't know.

You said the god gave laws so according to the law what was the consequence for human sacrifice?

PastorAIO:
We can talk around and around this issue but there can be no denying the blatant and obvious biblical truth which is that YHWH was/is genocidal and filicidal. He accepts and is appeased by human sacrifice. This so obviously and blatantly the case in Judaism but more so in Christianity, the entire edifice of which is based on the human sacrifice of Jesus for the cleansing of sins.

Apparently there is no other way for YHWH to forgive you. Even the sheep and goats that were substituted for humans would not do the trick so in the end Jesus had to die.

Yhwh directly asks for and admits to asking for Humans to be sacrificed and the Bible demonstrates this by being full of human sacrifices.

Long time Pastor. Great to read from you again. How you dey?