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Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by NNTR: 11:53am On Feb 20, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Now, my dear beloved AntiChristian Muslim brother friend, answer the following easy, simple, friendly, straightforward questions please 1. In the face of accusations levelled against Him, did Jesus, anywhere in the Bible, ever flatly deny Himself being God? 2. Did God, ever call Jesus, God? 3. How does Allah save human beings from eternal damnation and/or destruction? Meaning, what's in place, that is Allah's salvation plan? 4. Does Allah have the wherewithal to be in Heaven and on Earth at the same time? 5. Does Allah have the power to project Himself to become Allah in flesh, meaning become a human being? 6. What to your understanding does the name, Jesus, coming from a Hebrew origin, means and what does the word Allah, in terms of an Arabic origin means? Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by NNTR: 12:00pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Look at the attached below AntiChristian:I wish you glad tidings, however fyi 'Eat your heart out' signifies I am in a better position than you are, loll. Now, man up and reply to the 6 questions please. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
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Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by AntiChristian: 12:16pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
NNTR:I you need to give us where he himself called himself God. He shouldn't forget to tell people he is God. What then was his mission? He was called son of man tens of time and even son sometimes. But how could he wait for people to call him God and deny it. Someone who is fond of parable and not speaking directly.
No! Show me a verse where Yahweh says He is Jesus! That's simple. God needs not have son. He is able to save His creation without any helper. He needs no blood for salvation. Same way he saved the people of Noah, Moses, Jonah, etc when they obey God through the Prophet sent to them. Allah needs not be in both places physically at the same time. His knowledge encompasses all things! He knows what was, what is and what will be to infinity! Allah has the power to do all things! However it doesn't befit His majesty to be like his creation passing a woman's birth canal, drinking a woman's breast milk, crying and helpless as a baby, weeping as an adult, calling a tribe dog because they are non-israelites, etc.
Jesus in English has no meaning! The Hebrew name should be Joshua or other derivatives Yeshua, Yahushua which may literally mean "to save". Allah is the one God that is indivisible, the creator of all things! |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by AntiChristian: 12:19pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
NNTR: The attached doesn't give me verses where Jesus said he was God or told people to worship him. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 2:34pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: It was not meant for you. It was written by the jews for the jews. It is about their history.. You are wasting your time... Stop trying to interprete it for them... |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 2:36pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: Oh my God. The son has already been born when Isaiah was prophesying. He was referring to the future king Hezekiah. He was 6 years old already. "A son has been given to us...... Hope English comprehension is not your problem?
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Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 2:48pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: It was NEVER meant for us to believe. It was for us to know and keep God's commandments. That is the only way to have a relationship with God.. Obey his laws. That is what I am doing. If you did,you won't promote idolatry... Comprende? |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by GreatAxeMan: 2:50pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
The prayer life of Jesus was meant to serve as an example for Christians to follow: [img]https://images./7ciEpLEjhQKnOAqXRlNJVs.jpg[/img] Jesus Himself was worshipped several times throughout His earthly ministry and He never refused worship which is what He would have done if it were forbidden to Him: [img]https://images./6F65oRaKPcBFMSzg31dhdl.jpg[/img] [img]https://images./Cr7aiVbwcb5LqOHIYcWpQ.jpg[/img] AntiChristian: 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by NNTR: 2:50pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Jesus' words, actions, utterances, wonders & miracles, prophecies, demonstration of power, by the strength of all things which are written in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms gives evidences that Jesus is God Incarnate, that, Jesus is God personified, that, Jesus, is God in human body flesh AntiChristian:His mission was three things: 1. Redemption 2. Salvation 3. and Reconciliation #2 above, let's the cat out of the bag, on what His mission is AntiChristian:The title 'Son of Man' is a reference to the humanity side of Jesus, while the title 'Son of God', is reference to the divinity side of Jesus AntiChristian:People knew He is God. If He isnt God, He would have said He isnt so not to mislead people or even if just to stop people worshipping Him, as they many times did AntiChristian:Matthew 13:10-15 10His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?” 11He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13That is why I use these parables, For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand. 14This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says, ‘When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend. 15For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.’ AntiChristian:loll, if you know anything about bad blood, you wouldnt have made this gaffe about needing no blood for salvation. What you are, is in your DNA, is in your blood. Your blood has memory, that your DNA comes from it, your blood, loll. AntiChristian:The people of Noah, Moses, Jonah, etc until 2000 years ago when Jesus died on the cross of Calvary were not saved, loll. AntiChristian:That was the question asked you, rather you were asked, if at all, does Allah have the wherewithal to be in Heaven and on Earth at the same time? AntiChristian:Praise the Omniscient God then AntiChristian:Well you see, unlike Allah, who has a chip on its shoulder, God, in spite, of His majesty and the power to do all things, still is humble enough to be like His creation, come down to earth, enter and pass through the door, meaning, a woman's birth canal, drink and feed on a woman's breast milk, show human emotion of crying and be helpless as a baby, show compassion and weep as an adult. All these show what a great Being, God is. I love God more because of taking on our frailties, infirmities vulnerabilities and weaknesses AntiChristian:I'll correct you for free, loll. Yeshua or Yahushua, even Jesus means 'Yahweh saves' or 'YHWH saves' and even 'God saves' The name Yeshua or Yahushua, even Jesus, has the implication of that Jesus was born to with the sole mission to save, to save people from eternal damnation AntiChristian:Kk, another extra following easy, simple, friendly, straightforward questions for you please, loll. 1. What is prophet Mohammed PBUH father's name? 2. What is the meaning of prophet Mohammed PBUH father's name? 3. When was prophet Mohammed PBUH father given his name? 4. Who and what was prophet Mohammed PBUH father worshipping? Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 2:50pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
God created man from dust God can not be man . Is it difficult to understand? |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:51pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina: That's exactly what those guys @ psychiatrist hospitals often say: They have functional brains while all other people don't! |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:53pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina: I thought this is WRITTEN in a book not your life? |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 2:57pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
NNTR: Whose idea is bold?? Show me where the plan was conceived in the old testament. Amos 3:7 says "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet. I want to really understand why you guys believe absurdities.. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 2:58pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Disprove it... |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 2:59pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: We both know who is normal.. You that believes a woman can become pregnant without a man's sperm. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by NNTR: 3:03pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina:Take a wilderness wild arse guess nah Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 3:07pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
NNTR: I have read through the entire old testament.. Never came accross it. So point me,maybe I might have missed it.. I will wait...please |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by cornelboy(f): 3:11pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
Between knowing and believing which comes first? Who's promoting idolatry sonmvayina: |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by cornelboy(f): 3:16pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
Isaiah 9:6-7 [6]For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7]His government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the lord of Heaven’s Armies will make this happen! According to your version, who's the wondrous adviser? sonmvayina: |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by cornelboy(f): 3:20pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
Are you a Jew? sonmvayina: |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:29pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina: No wahala, you are normal! 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:31pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: Ask him why quoting what the Jews wrote for themselves and asking none Jews to obey! 1 Like |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by NNTR: 3:40pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina:Isaiah 6:9 'Then the LORD told me to go and speak this message to the people: "You will listen and listen, but never understand. You will look and look, but never see ...' Romans 11:8 'just as it is written [in Scripture], “GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR, EYES THAT DO NOT SEE AND EARS THAT DO NOT HEAR, [a spiritual apathy that has continued] TO THIS VERY DAY.”' Thats the idea behind asking you to take a wilderness wild arse guess nah. C'mon, its not too much to ask, so please try doing just that nah Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 3:47pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
NNTR: You are just very funny.. Where was the plan conceived in the old testament..you are quoting David's psalms... Please try again. Where did God make the plan in bold.. Just admit there is no where....we will just end this charade and move on. I will let you be.. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by Janosky: 3:50pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina:Do your friend,NNTR understand that? His 3 deities,one is a man. Na him signature. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 3:52pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: No.. I only said that their laws is same as ours in igbo traditional religion. That God's laws are universal and given to all men. I only quote the old testament because that is what you are used to.. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 3:53pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
Janosky: No mind them.. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:03pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina: But make he mind you since only you have FUNCTIONING BRAIN! sonmvayina: |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by cornelboy(f): 4:30pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
How are laws of God same as laws of Igbo traditional religion? sonmvayina: |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by NNTR: 4:36pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina:Absolutely, you're 120% that God created man from dust, meaning from dirt sonmvayina:God is known as I AM, I AM, aka I AM, that, I AM. The implication of the descriptor, I AM, I AM, which in Hebrew is YHWH and when verbalised is pronounced as Yahweh, is that God will become whatever is necessary for God to carry out and achieve His plan(s), even if that includes, God becoming a human being, a man sonmvayina:Jeremiah 32:27 '"Look, I am the LORD, the God who rules over all flesh. Is anything too difficult for me?"' OR 'I am the LORD, the God of all humankind. There is, indeed, nothing too difficult for me.' With, at least Jeremiah 32:27 in mind, is it really difficult to understand that its child's play for God to legally and lawfully become a human being Janosky:Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! (i.e. one, is expressing an arithmetic value of one unit or number) sonmvayina:God, is one Deity and not 3 deities Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
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Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by NNTR: 4:36pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
sonmvayina:Does proto-evangelium mean anything to you? What of the first Gospel then? Hmm? Its the same woman, that was deceived, who, as promised, conceived the Saviour alluded to in Genesis 3:15 Eve thought it was Cain, she that so much thrilled that she had no excitement left to celebrate Abel, who she discounted and thought to be unworthy of consideration and so at his birth was named breath, moisture or vapour, as meaning, someone lasting only a short time or something passing, even short-lived. What a self-fulfilling prophecy that turned out to become, loll. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jesus Ever Call Himself God In The Bible? The Answer Is No! by sonmvayina(m): 4:38pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: They are not actual stories...they teach some valuable lesson. KNOW THE LESSON AND LEARN IT. |
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