MaxInDHouse:


Your proof is written all over you nah!

How do you even convince(confuse) people when you knock of thier door?

Don't you even have a second thought?

Look somebody in the eye and lie to them...

Your heart must be made of stone..

MaxInDHouse:


That's the point i want to get in your argument! So the same God who made it possible for dust to become a living soul will find it impossible to make a living woman pregnant without sperm shey?

The universe is governed by law...

God is the universe itself. God is existence itself. It is the universal divine consciousness..not a magician.

sonmvayina:

How do you even convince(confuse) people when you knock of thier door?
Don't you even have a second thought?
Look somebody in the eye and lie to them...
Your heart must be made of stone..

We know that what we possess is not common so we target those who cherishes it not just all Dick and Harry!

sonmvayina:

The universe is governed by law...
God is the universe itself. God is existence itself. It is the universal divine consciousness..not a magician.

Hen nah!
From dust to living being but nothing should be possible afterwards for the same God that performed such a miracle!

waldigit:

I hope you understand your question very well.
Every statement credit to Jesus was quoted by a writer. Jesus did not author any book.
I hope you understand the Bible.

The words of Jesus are clear from what he never said.

For example, Jesus said Eli Eli lema Sabacthani which means "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?

Jesus had a God!

MaxInDHouse:


We know that what we possess is not common so we target those who cherishes it not just all Dick and Harry!

Ignorant people like yourself too

AntiChristian:


The words of Jesus are clear from what he never said.

For example, Jesus said Eli Eli lema Sabacthani which means "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?

Jesus had a God!

Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Two Lords deal with it

sonmvayina:

Ignorant people like yourself too

That has beaten their swords into plowshares! Isaiah 2:2-4

It's interesting how, in the attempt to claim and swerve and say what we want, we fine-tune the questions we ask to fit what we want to say, and we think ourselves right for doing so.

This question in itself, is partly pointless. Not because it can't be answered. But because, the fact is, whether Jesus called Himself God or not is not the point at all. That's not the most important question.

The question is, Is Jesus God? That's the question. And that's the real question we've been dancing around, but many have tried to find a way to discredit this question, so much that it has now come to the point of "okay, the man Himself should have said He is God". But no. Nowhere is it a requirement that He Himself has to say it before it would be true.

Unless you're claiming that, in the Bible, only the words recorded as spoken by Jesus are true, and anything else that anyone else wrote is not true. And please, if you believe that, you ought not to be paying attention to the Bible at all, because the Bible doesn't say that about itself.

If the Bible is what we know it is (which is, the inspired word of God, written not by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, 2 Peter 1.21) - if that is true, then it doesn't matter whether the words that prove that Jesus is God came from the mouth of Jesus, or came from the writing of another man who (we all believe) was inspired by God to write it.

Now, if you have a problem with this, then I submit that your real issue is the authority of the Scriptures. Because if you believe in the authority of the Scriptures, then once they show the deity of Jesus, you won't have to come back and say "show me where He Himself said it". Your problem is not whether Jesus said it or not, your problem is you don't believe the Bible.

Now that said, what exactly do you mean by "unambiguously"? Because it's clear enough for some, why is it not clear enough for everyone? It's what you choose to see, and what you choose to accept.

I have not read the entire thread before my post, so I would likely repeat some things that have been said by other well-meaning Christians already, but I'm going to do so still anyway, because someone may learn from my post.

3 things:

1. Jesus was a Jew, and Jews are very careful about blasphemy against God. Believe me that not only would He Himself not say anything blasphemous, He would not let others say it about Him, if it was not the truth. So anywhere you find anyone else saying something that interprets to mean Jesus is God, and you don't find Jesus refuting, rejecting or forbidding it, you better know it's true. There are several Scriptures for this one, and I believe you know them - that's what you've been fighting against in the thread the whole time, I'm sure. I'm just letting you know: if Jesus didn't forbid it, you can take that as your first indication of it being true.

2. The Bible shows that Jesus is in fact God. Equal with God, has the same attributes as God. It's not a simple statement but the conclusion is that simple. So many Scriptures to show that. I go back to the point I made earlier. If you believe all the Bible (and not just the ones that are marked as the words of Jesus) then there is no discussion here. But, if I have to judge from listening to the original post, you probably won't even accept anything short of Jesus saying "I am God". Nothing else will do for you, I guess. In which case, well, we can't help you.

3. The doctrine of Jesus' deity is a difficult one, despite all the explanation that has been given here. And honestly, it's not something you learn. It's revealed to your heart. Same way, when you're born again, it's known to you in your heart. Ask any Christian, and they'll tell you they KNOW they are a child of God. How do they know? They may not be able to tell you, but that doesn't change the fact that they KNOW. They KNOW that God knows them. They know that they have received something they didn't have before being born again. That's what I'm talking about. The Spirit of God in your heart is what testifies to who Jesus is for you, and without that, it will just be English and lots of explanation and trying to be mathematical with the Bible and the words - what we call the letter of the law. Scripture says, "the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." That's what that means; if you follow only the book, without the Spirit of God who reveals it, you will end up missing it.

I hope that you reading now can appreciate this. If you don't, you can pray about it. God Himself will answer you and speak to you in your heart what you should know about the personality of Jesus Christ.

I'll close with this: perhaps the clearest indication of Jesus saying something that was understood and received as He declaring that He is God, is found in John 10:30-35, where He said, "I and My Father are one." You can interpret it how you want, but according to the Bible, the people that He was talking to, who were present when He said it, interpreted it and understood the interpretation as he making Himself equal with God, for which reason they felt He deserved to be stoned to death, when you read on to vs 33.

Now, you and I were not present there, but if those who heard Him, understood it enough to react this way, I think you and I should know better than to question their reaction.

And in response to that reaction, Jesus simply said, BELIEVE ME. What do you think that means? What did He want them to believe? Obviously what they were thinking was unbelievable, that Jesus is God, which He had just implied, or perhaps stated, in His speech.

Now, respectfully, if that whole episode doesn't convince you (along with the several other Scriptures that clearly show him as God), I respectfully submit that nothing will.

God bless you and have a lovely day.

waldigit:


Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Two Lords deal with it

I have dealt with it before. In fact, it's simple to deal with.

Who is the first Lord?
Who is the second Lord?

Let's Check Psalm 110:1 which is the original verse:
The LORD (YAHWEH) said to my Lord (ADONI) : “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

Hebrew word Yahweh vs Adoni
While the first LORD is Yahweh used only for God only and never Jesus or any other human, the second is however adoni which is always used for human masters and lords never God.

Adoni is used humans masters in Ex 21:5, Gen 24: from 12, 1 Sam 13:30.
In Gen 18:12 Adoni is used as husband.
In 1 Kings 18:7, Adoni is used as a Prophet.

MaxInDHouse:

That has beaten their swords into plowshares! Isaiah 2:2-4

It's suppose to happen in a global scale...

Last time I checked Russia is about to invade Ukraine...thet have not beaten their sword yet.

When God's Messiah thus come, war will be a thing of the past..and oppression too.

Don't you just want him to come quick too?

You won't be knocking on people's door. They will feel and experience it.
It's not about you forcing them to accept your fake Jesus...

waldigit:


Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Two Lords deal with it

It is a psalm written by David and given to the choir master.
" the lord( Hashem ) said to my lord(david) sit thou on my right hand till I make your enemies ( David's enemies, those who sort to kill him) thy foot stool.


Got it now..

sonmvayina:

It's suppose to happen in a global scale...

Last time I checked Russia is about to invade Ukraine...thet have not beaten their sword yet.

When God's Messiah thus come, war will be a thing of the past..and oppression too.

Don't you just want him to come quick too?

You won't be knocking on people's door. They will feel and experience it.
It's not about you forcing them to accept your fake Jesus...

So he will turn everyone to robots shey?
Please who are those that he will destroy @ Daniel 2:44?

AntiChristian:


I have dealt with it before. In fact, it's simple to deal with.

Who is the first Lord?
Who is the second Lord?

Let's Check Psalm 110:1 which is the original verse:
The LORD (YAHWEH) said to my Lord (ADONI) : “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

Hebrew word Yahweh vs Adoni
While the first LORD is Yahweh used only for God only and never Jesus or any other human, the second is however adoni which is always used for human masters and lords never God.

Adoni is used humans masters in Ex 21:5, Gen 24: from 12, 1 Sam 13:30.
In Gen 18:12 Adoni is used as husband.
In 1 Kings 18:7, Adoni is used as a Prophet.

Your argument is David the king was talking to another Isrealite calling him Lord. You are very funny.
If you say I don't believe in Bible, I understand but if you want to prove your point based on Biblical truth, brother, stop chasing shadows.

sonmvayina:

It is a psalm written by David and given to the choir master.
" the lord( Hashem ) said to my lord(david) sit thou on my right hand till I make your enemies ( David's enemies, those who sort to kill him) thy foot stool.


Got it now..

And they composed that a music and sung it to worship God. Quite hilarious.

waldigit:

Your argument is David the king was talking to another Isrealite calling him Lord. You are very funny.
If you say I don't believe in Bible, I understand but if you want to prove your point based on Biblical truth, brother, stop chasing shadows.

No! My argument is that David called someone else lord just like we call the leader of a court lord without intending to worship him/her.

Even Lord Lugard is a lord too!

waldigit:

And they composed that a music and sung it to worship God. Quite hilarious.

I have heard worst from mountain of fire choristrrs..

MaxInDHouse:


So he will turn everyone to robots shey?
Please who are those that he will destroy @ Daniel 2:44?

This is just prior to the arrival of the Messiah. I guess it is one of USA, Russia or China....

Those are the kingdoms with the military might to subdue other kingdoms...

What do you think?

MaxInDHouse:


So he will turn everyone to robots shey?
Please who are those that he will destroy @ Daniel 2:44?

Did you even read the verses you posted...or you just line to pick and choose.