AldrichAmes:


The attack helis Nigeria just bought from the US (AH-1Z) are the most modern/advanced American helis and the best the US has to offer. But it came with conditions that the US government would’ve access to Nigeria whenever they want. America just doesn’t sell these things without certain conditions.

I honestly don’t know why Nigerian leaders are so stupid. They basically bought helis they don’t need at a ransom with tough strings attached to it. It’s basically like living in a rented house while buying a Rolls Royce with your freedom attached to it.

Based on the state of the Nigerian armed forces - they’re better off with Russian Mi-28 or the South African helis. And those would’ve cost them just a fraction of this crap (not more than $80-100m) and would still do the same job whilst maintaining Nigeria’s freedom.

Who’re they fighting with these helis? Helis aren’t even that reliable and even the most advanced one can get shot down by a RPG.

Just utter useless.

have you heard of the apache long bow AH

godofuck231:
its just an upgrade , more advanced avionics and armaments

There's was no upgrade of it

A newer varient was created in 2000

And that's the AH1z

1stGenAmerican:


For what purpose? Countries that host US military bases receive about a billion USD every 3-5 years. Each base also employs a few hundred civilians in the host country at above local wages.
Can any African countries benefit from several million dollars a year plus jobs for a few hundred of their citizens or are the countries too prosperous to see that as a gain?

You don't need these, you need productivity and turning raw materials into finished goods. How do you build a country with slavery methods, the system is out dated.

AldrichAmes:
The press statement that came with the sale is attached below (read the last sentence).

Nigeria is a stupid country. This purchase is just pure lunacy. There are cheaper alternatives out there that cost a fraction and can do the same job.

The rest of the money should have been spent on artillery and light tanks. Artillery is the king of war and if they’re serious about destroying BH - all they need is artillery (which they don’t have) and it won’t take them 3months to wipe out Boko Haram.

But they opted for shiny crap that cost an arm and external intrusion. And RPGs would blow all of them out of the sky soon.

Bro it also comes with other incentives

1 example being 2000APKWS


Also Western arms give you their money's worth

olas24u:


You don't need these, you need productivity and turning raw materials into finished goods. How do you build a country with slavery methods, the system is out dated.

Productivity? Turning Raw Materials into finished goods? Very vague. Slavery methods? I have no idea what that means.
You say that Nigeria doesn’t need the things I mentioned but I’ll say you’re very wrong. I don’t live in Nigeria but Im familiar with its challenges and issues and one of the largest is lack of diversity. A venture that brings money to the country and jobs to hundreds of citizens, jobs that hire without nepotism, etc., would be a benefit to the country’s economy. All the eggs can’t be put in one basket because when that one basket falls and the eggs break, there is no backup.

1stGenAmerican:


Productivity? Turning Raw Materials into finished goods? Very vague. Slavery methods? I have no idea what that means.
You say that Nigeria doesn’t need the things I mentioned but I’ll say you’re very wrong. I don’t live in Nigeria but Im familiar with its challenges and issues and one of the largest is lack of diversity. A venture that brings money to the country and jobs to hundreds of citizens, jobs that hire without nepotism, etc., would be a benefit to the country’s economy. All the eggs can’t be put in one basket because when that one basket falls and the eggs break, there is no backup.

You make so simple, a base on you soil will cause instability in the whole region. All you have listed does not even look like economics to me. Nigeria is a country with huge population, a smart population will increase productivity, if you create the right infrastructure. Examples of countries like Nigeria are the bric countries, the have one thing in common population. I don't know the type of economics you are writing about. Slavery method is a simple working for another person to achieve greatness instead of yourself.

olas24u:


You make so simple, a base on you soil will cause instability in the whole region. All you have listed does not even look like economics to me. Nigeria is a country with huge population, a smart population will increase productivity, if you create the right infrastructure. Examples of countries like Nigeria are the bric countries, the have one thing in common population. I don't know the type of economics you are writing about. Slavery method is a simple working for another person to achieve greatness instead of yourself.

But there is already instability in the whole region.
Contrary to your beliefs, in a thriving economy everyone can’t be a business owner. Some people have to work for others. . This also holds true for bric countries where there are huge numbers of employees. You’re pushing the increase of productivity but what type of industry big enough to impact a nation’s economy doesn’t have a chain of command and employees?
Creating the “right infrastructure” is useless without updated laws and policies. The citizens that will benefit from new, better infrastructure must get into a really different mindset that will allow each individual to have concern for the greater good. Governing bodies also have to create or source permanent departments to maintenance that infrastructure because it can be beautiful today but crumbling tomorrow. Then, a steady inflow of funds has to channeled into a fund designated to maintaining and improving infrastructure. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Order is the easiest way to eradicate chaos. Farewell for now. Have a nice Good Friday and Easter.

slimthugchimee2:


There's was no upgrade of it

A newer varient was created in 2000

And that's the AH1z

none were newly built sir , the newly built are apaches, if you wish crate one these are outdated compared to the longbows

godofuck231:
none were newly built sir , the newly built are apaches, if you wish crate one these are outdated compared to the longbows

Simple google will help you

godofuck231:
have you heard of the apache long bow AH

This one is better and more advanced that Apache. It’s a better version of Russian Ka-52.

Apache is the US equivalent of Russian Mi-28 and European Tiger Heli.

BTW, the US lost about 15 Apaches to RPGs in Iraq. That’s the thing about helis - they’re very vulnerable and not worth spending a fortune on. You can always get cheaper ones that do the same job. You don’t need expensive and the most modern ones.

slimthugchimee2:


Bro it also comes with other incentives

1 example being 2000APKWS


Also Western arms give you their money's worth

$1billion on Helis in a country as poor as Nigeria and a 4th rate military isn’t worth it. They just need a decent one.

With $1billion - they can get 40 Russian Su-30 fighter jets which are 3.5gen jets. Or get either 12 Gripen Jets or 30 Russian Su-34. And all these would be more effective against Boko Haram because they can’t shoot any of them down. You need modern SAM batteries to be able to trouble them.

What money’s worth from something that can be shot down by anyone with RPG? Western arms are very expensive and grossly overrated. Most of you watch too much movies and western countries bullying farmers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Against half-decent countries - they’re just as vulnerable.

Argentina sunk 2 British destroyers and 2 Frigates during the first Falkland war with ordinary anti-ship missiles. Serbia shot down a US stealth jet (proclaimed by the US as invisible) and damaged another one beyond repair with obsolete SAM during the Balkan war. Wait till they fight countries that can shoot back to see how vulnerable western arms are.

1stGenAmerican:


But there is already instability in the whole region.
Contrary to your beliefs, in a thriving economy everyone can’t be a business owner. Some people have to work for others. . This also holds true for bric countries where there are huge numbers of employees. You’re pushing the increase of productivity but what type of industry big enough to impact a nation’s economy doesn’t have a chain of command and employees?
Creating the “right infrastructure” is useless without updated laws and policies. The citizens that will benefit from new, better infrastructure must get into a really different mindset that will allow each individual to have concern for the greater good. Governing bodies also have to create or source permanent departments to maintenance that infrastructure because it can be beautiful today but crumbling tomorrow. Then, a steady inflow of funds has to channeled into a fund designated to maintaining and improving infrastructure. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Order is the easiest way to eradicate chaos. Farewell for now. Have a nice Good Friday and Easter.

I don't even know what to write, you need to do more of economics and government. I just thought so, china moved 400million people out of poverty. China is 1, 4billion people. Brazil is 300 million people and it as improved its economy.Nigeria is listed on the next11 countries. The insecurity in Nigeria is multifaceted. Do you know what boko Haram wants? Nobody knows, some people are making money with insecurity.

Paradigms:
Everything to save the dying dollar

Don't mind that ancestor

texazzpete:


Hopefully it’s you the terrorists catch next, since you’re so opposed to moves to combat ISWAP and Boko Haram

Hmmmm I see you're the next in line
Since you are too blind to see the veracity

AldrichAmes:


This one is better and more advanced that Apache. It’s a better version of Russian Ka-52.

Apache is the US equivalent of Russian Mi-28 and European Tiger Heli.

BTW, the US lost about 15 Apaches to RPGs in Iraq. That’s the thing about helis - they’re very vulnerable and not worth spending a fortune on. You can always get cheaper ones that do the same job. You don’t need expensive and the most modern ones.

its a secret you can't understand, no special ops without an apache

slimthugchimee2:


Simple google will help you

Google wasn't trained to fly and maintain war hammers ,dont believe all you see on the internet

godofuck231:
Google wasn't trained to fly and maintain war hammers ,dont believe all you see on the internet

Nawa shaa

slimthugchimee2:


Nawa shaa

The Apache has more useful load than a Cobra. Useful load in an attack helicopter means weapons. The Cobra is faster, but that means nothing on the battlefield. Armor, weapons, and loiter time mean ten times as much as top speed. When you get in to a fight in a helicopter you aren't yanking and banking like an F16 in a dogfight. Helicopters are best used when loitering outside of visual and audio range, using superb sensors and very accurate munitions to strike an unsuspecting enemy. Another aspect the Apache excels at. The 30mm cannon is ridiculously accurate. I've fired 50 round bursts at 4,000 meters and not only do all rounds land within 20 meters of each other, they also land within about that distance of the point of aim. The 30mm is much deadlier than a 20mm. Sensors and munition guidance is better on the Apache hands down.

The nigerian government is dumb and what they dont know is that The Viper project is a gigantic waste of money. I think they are coming out close to $30 million each. About the same as an Apache. They just won't let an old dog die. There is a reason the us army went to AH-64s and UH-60s. They are simply better, more technologically advanced aircraft. Hueys and Cobras are old technology.they are being retired ,the apache can be used via a playbook and control from a ground operator can engage targets as far as 2km away , they are sat guided systems and are deadly accurate, the cobra are strictly straight line of sight weapons efficient

ovie8200:
And tomorrow some ignorant people who are so stupid and hate usa so much will come here saying nonsense against usa and praising China who will never give anything for free to any country.

The U.S are building their biggest consulate in Africa in Nigeria of course they would approve such for their own interests......

Ask urself why are they doing it and not in 2009 when Boko Haram started intensely.....

Nothing goes for nothing everything is about interests.......

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godofuck231:
its a secret you can't understand, no special ops without an apache

What’s “special ops” in this context? Or are you alluding to special forces?

If it’s the latter - Apache isn’t the only attack Helis the Americans have, they’ve different ones, including the one on this thread (which is more advanced than Apache).

Also, Americans mostly use Chinook for their special forces.

AldrichAmes:
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What’s “special ops” in this context? Or are you alluding to special forces?

If it’s the latter - Apache isn’t the only attack Helis the Americans have, they’ve different ones, including the one on this thread (which is more advanced than Apache).

Also, Americans mostly use Chinook for their special forces.

more advanced than what? Oluwa jesuuuuuuu, ok sorry sir you are right

This guy if fvcking kidding me

1stGenAmerican:


Because to leaders of nations that have the resources to help, it doesn’t look like Nigeria’s leaders are very serious about the country’s security because they keep showing that their priorities are elsewhere. When Nigeria gets serious about tackling insecurity, others will take them seriously.

You're just here yarning nonsense, Who cares about blood money? How much is your freedom worth? Keep your bases in America.

Your deep state somehow has found a way to glorify war while your war machine feeds fat on the scaremongering.

If your country in collusion with France did not destroy Libya would there be these elevated levels of insecurity In the Sahel today?

"they will be paid above the local minimum wage" Capitalists scumbag!

Subsaharan:


You're just here yarning nonsense, Who cares about blood money? How much is your freedom worth? Keep your bases in America.

Your deep state somehow has found a way to glorify war while your war machine feeds fat on the scaremongering.

If your country in collusion with France did not destroy Libya would there be these elevated levels of insecurity In the Sahel today?

"they will be paid above the local minimum wage" Capitalists scumbag!

Typical Nigerian who has to resort to insults and name calling during what should be civil discourse. Luckily you don’t represent the majority who knows how to have a simple debate. You have more to say about a side reply than you do the thread topic. I’m not interested in anything you have to say to me but please try not to get so triggered when reading a discussion board.
Happy Easter Sir

1stGenAmerican:


Typical Nigerian who has to resort to insults and name calling during what should be civil discourse. Luckily you don’t represent the majority who knows how to have a simple debate. You have more to say about a side reply than you do the thread topic. I’m not interested in anything you have to say to me but please try not to get so triggered when reading a discussion board.
Happy Easter Sir

There's nothing civil between me and Neo - colonialists drunk on Hubris. destroying societies and calling it freedom.

Do propaganda for businesses and Investments(FDI) Not military bases.

Africa does not need or want them.

AldrichAmes:
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What’s “special ops” in this context? Or are you alluding to special forces?

If it’s the latter - Apache isn’t the only attack Helis the Americans have, they’ve different ones, including the one on this thread (which is more advanced than Apache).

Also, Americans mostly use Chinook for their special forces.

the Chinook isn't armed with heavy payloads and its very vulnerable, its always escorted by apaches ,