sagenaija:
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At the end of the day, your words betray you.
You rant about how you are the best of people and organization but what you spew out of your mouths shows something else.

I am not asking about the relationship between the humanity of Christ and the Father or any of the other issues you bring up to cloud the main issue. All I asked is to tell us what John 10:30 means when Jesus said, "I and the Father are One.”

It is easy to see that you are stuck when your translation doesn't change words for you and when you are confronted with a direct challenge to your dogma. You still end up on a merry-go-round because you can't reconcile the truth of that verse with your dogma. The next immediate fallback for you guys then becomes name-calling and attacks.

Your first attempt failed woefully because you cannot claim it means they are in agreement and still talk about a different opinion. You can't confuse clear-minded people with your convoluted use of words. That's why I said you should try again. Unfortunately, your second attempt truly exposed you. You simply don't want to accept what that verse is clearly saying. You then end up explaining other conjured-up verses you bring up rather than the one in question. You've only complicated things for yourself. But we know that you are stubborn so you'll still fight on.

Oga, you are so in love with your tantrums & your delusion you have no love for the holy Bible.
John 10:30= John 17:21-22, Na so Jesus talk am.
But Trinity slaves prefer their delusion.

Janosky:

Jesus Christ spoke the same thing at John 10:30 and John 17:21-22.
Jesus said:
21 I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one— as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one.

Oga, you have so in love with your tantrums & your delusion you have no love for the holy Bible.
John 10:30= John 17:21-22, Na so Jesus talk am.
But Trinity slaves prefer their delusion.

Emusan:


That's because their not that intelligent.

How can you say: "Both are in agreement" then go further to contradict yourself by saying "even though one need to always bend to the opinion of the other"! Luke 22:42

That @underlined is so funny that can make one ask, how can this come from a supposed educated self acclaimed intelligence officer?

Luke 22:42
New International Version
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done"

Luke 22:42, did Jesus Christ bend to the opinion of his Father?
Yes.

Luke 22:42, did Jesus Christ agree with the opinion of his Father?


Matthew7:23, according to Jesus Christ,Can Saga and the LIENUS receive Sense?
Confused Trinity slaves throwing tantrums.

Emusan:


You have to put equal sign because you know more than your god
Does your Ellicott and Geneva Bible equate it?

Anyways, Rev 22:13-15 is about Jesus Christ

Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending, the first and the last.

If it pains you and your father the Devil much you can hit head on the wall.

The word of God is yeah and Amen

Emusan LIAR

Emusan Mumu Slaves of Trinity delusion.
Revelation 22:13 Ellicott Commentary
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(13) I am Alpha . . .—Here (as in Revelation 21:6) we should render, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. (See Note as above, and comp. John 1:1; Isaiah 44:6.)

sagenaija:

Trying to do damage control? You need to try harder.
Is it really so difficult for you guys to simply exegete one verse?
If like you started off with "both are in agreement" (I'm not suggesting that that is the correct interpretation of that verse) then what is the point of "one needs to always bend to the opinion of the other"? If they are in agreement in the first place which other opinion is one bending to? Do you see why I say that you guys end up tying yourselves in knots? Being in agreement means having the same opinion. That does not call for one bending to "another" opinion. [/b]Attempt another answer. This time focus on the verse. What is it saying? What clear message can you see from it?

sagenaija:
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Again, you avoid the issue that is being pointed out to you and run off at a tangent to some unrelated things.
In John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and the Father are One.”
Focus on this statement of Jesus. What does it tell you? In your own words simply tell us what you think that statement means. Is that too hard for you to do? Or do you prefer to sound complicated and sophisticated to make yourself feel good about the knowledge you think you have?
For once avoid all the attacks and tell us what that statement is saying.

johnw47:

another difference between Christians and fraud jw's

with Christians it's mostly all about Jesus

with fraud jw's it's mostly all about their organization and the people in it

Janosky:

Acts 3:13 & John 20:17 & John 9:4 for JWs.
Christendom for Trinity delusion & 3 deities slaves.
John W, continue deceiving yourself.

sagenaija:
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Janosky and partner-in-(fill in the blanks),
Let's see who sticks with the Scripture.
The Jews who heard Jesus say those words were smarter than you guys. They understood clearly what Jesus meant by what he said.

Let's read from that John 10:30 to verse 33:
I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Do you accept the truth as stated in scripture or do you still want to remain stubborn loyal slaves to JW's GB? Would you stick to the scripture or choose to engage in gynastic reinterpretation of clear scriptural verses? Let's see who is playing Ludo with the Bible.

Oga, Biblehub (screenshots proof) your fellow Trinity worshippers FAULTED your claim.
Your Trinity mentors TAMPERED with John 10:33 to suit their delusion for falsehood.
John 10:33 correct rendition: "claim to be a god."
Like John 10:33, like John 1:1 " the Word was a god"

Psalm 82:1,6 , God calls his sons, gods.
One son is a god, collectively all His sons are gods,
Let us examine the content and context of John 10:34-36.
According to John 10:34-36 & Revelation2:18 (in heaven), the question is Jesus Christ the son of God?
Yes.
John 10:33, the son , Jesus is a god.

Shikena !
Gaskiya !

Janosky:

Acts 3:13 & John 20:17 & John 9:4 for JWs.
Christendom for Trinity delusion & 3 deities slaves.
John W, continue deceiving yourself.

johnw47:

another difference between Christians and fraud jw's

with Christians it's mostly all about Jesus

with fraud jw's it's mostly all about their organization and the people in it

sagenaija:
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If I get you right, you Janosky can claim to be a god. Would that be correct?

Janosky:

The God (ho Theos) of the holy Bible said so. Jesus Christ agreed too.
Oga, Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34-36 is in your Bible,so I believe it wholeheartedly.
Contemporary English Version
"I, the Most High God, say that all of you are gods and also my own children.
Douay-Rheims Bible
I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
Is Jesus Christ a son of God?
Yes.
Jesus is a god, John 10:33-36
Is Janosky a son of God?
Yes.
Janosky is a god, Psalms 82:6 & John 10:34.
Is Sagenaija a son of God?
Yes.
Sagenaija is a god, Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34.
Yes.
Is King Herod a son of God?
Yes.
King Herod is a god,Acts 12:22 & Psalm 82:6.
Shikena !

Janosky:



Emusan LIAR

Emusan Mumu Slaves of Trinity delusion.
Revelation 22:13 Ellicott Commentary
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(13) I am Alpha . . .—Here (as in Revelation 21:6) we should render, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. (See Note as above, and comp. John 1:1; Isaiah 44:6.) The repetition of these glorious titles is not a mere idle repetition, or designed to give a rhetorical fulness to the peroration of the book: it is closely allied with the preceding thought. The warning has been given that men by continuing in sin (Revelation 22:11) are inviting against themselves the law by which act ripens to habit, and habit makes character, and character forms destiny. The moral laws set going by sin work thus:—Retribution is no dream: it is a terrible fact: it is written large over nature. But the eternal laws of God, though righteously ordered, are not God: the refuge from the eternal laws which we invoke against ourselves by our sin is to be found in the Eternal God: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” For those hunted by the wickedness of their own doings, God himself provides a refuge: underneath all laws are the everlasting arms (Deuteronomy 33:27)."

Cc:Sagenaija,Coman cure your delusion.
For the record:
Ellicott na your fellow Trinity slave.

Ellicott Commentary screenshot

Janosky:
Luke 22:42
New International Version
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done"

Luke 22:42, did Jesus Christ bend to the opinion of his Father?
Yes.

Luke 22:42, did Jesus Christ agree with the opinion of his Father?

Matthew7:23, according to Jesus Christ,Can Saga and the LIENUS receive Sense?
Confused Trinity slaves throwing tantrums.

Emusan:


Olodo.... despite you read "WILL" in that verse you can still call it OPINION...



The Father and the Son ARE ALWAYS in agreement.

What happened in Luke 22:42 is to demonstrate the Son's humanity.



When you don't even have a single strand of sense

Psalm 110:1 " Jehovah said to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until"
Ephesians 1:20-21 & Psalm 110:1, which humanity is in heaven when Jesus obey the command in heaven ?

@ Psalm 110:1 & Ephesians 1:20-21, which humanity is in heaven?
Trinitarians TWISTING holy scriptures.
Which OPINION/WILL did Emusan write in the holy Bible?

Emusan:


It just so unfortunate that you can be so proud in ignorance!

Had it been you know the meaning of what you quoted it'd have been better for you we'll you're JaNosenses for a reason.

You better cure your delusion with this screenshot below

Ellicott says Rev 22:13 is applied to OUR LORD and strong declaration of His DIVINITY....

I'm sure JaNosenses agreed with Ellicott on this

sagenaija:
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So Janosky, as a god (Since from your permutation you are as much a god as Jesus)

sagenaija:
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can you say like Jesus did that you and the Father are one?

johnw47:


Act 3:13  The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

Joh 20:17  Jesus said, Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

Joh 9:4  As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work.


lost fraud jw janosky

what has these verses you referred to got to do with Christians being mostly about Christ, while you false jw's are mostly about your org. and the people in it

you false jw's post scripture all the time which has nothing to do with what is being said, u such deceivers, aren't you
and your voices have you continually confused:

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus."

I challenge John W fraud:
Which servant of Jehovah in Acts 3:13, John 9:4 & 20:17 is worshipping your 3 deities?

Kumuyi slave dey carry him frustration come social media

Janosky:
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus."
I challenge John W fraud: Which servant of Jehovah in Acts 3:13, John 9:4 & 20:17 is worshipping your 3 deities?
Kumuyi slave dey carry him frustration come social media

Janosky:
Una see this Dubious,LYING Emusan dey show screenshot of Revelation 1:8 because he knows that @ Revelation 22:13 Ellicott Commentary REFERENCES Jehovah God, referring to Isaiah 44:6.
Ellicotts Commentary on Revelation 22:13 is CONFLICTING to Ellicot Commentary on Revelation 1:8.
Why would the same ghost give CONFLICTING revelation to Emusan & Ellicott,a Bible scholar Trinity believer?
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3 EVIDENCES Revelation 1:8 applies to JEHOVAH God.
1).Revelation 1:1 Jehovah God is OWNER of the revelation HE GAVE Jesus.

2) The content & context of Rev 1:5-7, says Jesus is firstborn from the dead serving his Father.
Is Jehovah God firstborn to anybody?
No.
Matthew 27:46 & John 3:16,did Jehovah God die for anybody?
No.
3)
Isaiah 44:6 & Revelation 1:8. 22:13 applies to Jehovah.

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Mumu Trinitarians,
Deut 6:4 & Mark12:29 examples,is Jesus called "Lord God" in old testament & new testament of your Bible?
No , NEVER !!!!!!
Jesus is NOT "Lord God Almighty" at Revelation 1:8.

If this Bible truth dey vex you,ku nye isi na wall & feel happy with your delusion

sagenaija:
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Keep piling up your blasphemy on top of the other.
Your brainwash has turned you into a Nairaland court jester.
.

sagenaija:

Very soon you'll tell us that you are an Alpha and Omega. You'll also tell us that you are the one coming soon with rewards.

Emusan:


Like I do say, when it suits you hypocrite, you agreed but when it doesn't you disagree.
Look at the @underlined the idiotic JaNosenses now claimed Ellicott is CONFLICT

JaNosenses the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

This mumu LIENUS

Who did Ellicott Commentary say is Almighty at Revelation 1:8 & 2 Corinthians 6:18?
Is Jesus "Almighty" at Revelation 1'8?
Ellicott says No !!!!

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
( The beginning and the ending.—These words are of doubtful authority; they are in all probability taken from Revelation 22:13, and interpolated here. The description of the verse applies, with little doubt, to our Lord, and the words are a strong declaration of His divinity.
The Almighty.—The word thus rendered is, with one exception (2Corinthians 6:18), peculiar to this book in the New Testament
2 Corinthians 6:18= 2 Samuel 7:14.
Jehovah God Almighty @2Corinthians 6:18 & 2Samuel 7:14 is the Alpha and Omega.
Shikena !

Janosky:
Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus."
I challenge John W fraud:
Which servant of Jehovah in Acts 3:13, John 9:4 & 20:17 is worshipping your 3 deities?
Kumuyi slave dey carry him frustration come social media

johnw47:



Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

how you love to mock the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit
calling them all sorts of names like: "the 3 dogheads"
and you call the Holy Spirit: "the ole demon ghost"

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.


and how you people love to lie, even with knowing that God hates it
God hates lies/a false witness, so you people lie even the more
you false jw's are are of course liars/false witnesses

Pro 6:16  These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 
Pro 6:17  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 
Pro 6:18  An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 
Pro 6:19  A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

Janosky:

Empty tantrums.
Ku Nye isi na wall.