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Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 12:01am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Engr2016:Yes, Jesus Christ said except a man be born-again, He can't enter into the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom not of this world, through either of two gates - the Broad gate which leads to destruction aka Hell and the Narrow gate which leads to True life(Heaven) - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 and Luke 13 vs 22 - 28 . . The same Jesus Christ then explained to you how He is King in the Kingdom of God over both Heaven and Hell, where only those who are born-again can enter - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. So, how can you claim that those who are born-again, many of whom will end up in Hell, are true disciples of Jesus Christ? |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by cornelboy(f): 1:49am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Raph82:Besides the model that Jesus, Peter, Paul and the early Christians left by being politically neutral, a true Christian cannot be actively involved in politics as it is today and remain a true Christian. He could die young. He would certainly not succeed in the politics unless he played it like it's been played today. He's to go dirty no matter what. Na naija we dé. Your not a kid you should know that. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:11am On Jun 13, 2022 |
kokomilala:1. So what you insinuating is that since Jesus Christ paid taxes but never engaged in the politics of his day beyond that, He, Jesus Christ in doing so acquiesced to the misdeeds and the no-usefuls of his time? 2. These men you list here were not Christians nor were they called to live by the standards of the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom not of this here world, which you are instead called by Jesus Christ to live by. 3. This against who Jesus Christ commands you become instead? Because what you are insisting here that Christians do is that they serve a master other than Jesus Christ. No follower of Jesus Christ can be loyal to Him and loyal to the world(system of politics) at the same time. 4. Daniel and all the other you continue to mention were called to serve God in this world. The standard He gave to them was of this world since what He gave them was a Constitution for the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, what we know as God's Old Covenant Law of Moses. God's New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, is instead a different and Higher standard meant for a Kingdom not of this world, the Kingdom of God.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:14am On Jun 13, 2022 |
bottlewater1:If you indeed you believe politics started from church then that ought to inform you that your churches are themselves tainted. Jesus Christ no send anyone dey do politics abeg. You cannot serve God and the political systems of of world at the same time. Choose one. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MasonKendall(m): 2:16am On Jun 13, 2022 |
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Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:26am On Jun 13, 2022 |
thundafire:Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:27am On Jun 13, 2022 |
sabreal:Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:30am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Reference:Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. So, no, God has not plan to install what you call Christian power. He instead called all to seeking first the Kingdom of God and God's righteousness, this as opposed to seeking the world and its politics.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:34am On Jun 13, 2022 |
possibility99:Examine what Jesus Christ said so you can answer that question for yourself. Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:37am On Jun 13, 2022 |
jimmynauty:The same Jesus Christ also taught you the following : ▪︎Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 ▪︎In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. So, make you you have all the details before you leap. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:43am On Jun 13, 2022 |
omolayomi06:1. The question is straightforward and Jesus Christ did provide you answers in His teachings. ▪︎Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 . ▪︎In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. 2. The answer to your question is also straightforward. No good Christian will disobey/transgress God's direct commandment even to test God. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:44am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Eminado1:You gave up your right to live by the standards of this world, and its politics, when you chose to become a part of the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom not of this world. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by jimmynauty: 2:46am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Bro the context is MONEY not good governance which a Muslim Muslim can not give. If all the hidden treasure says occupy till he comes... Will occupy but won't allow money to be my master but Yahshua the Man before Yahweh. Get your PVC |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:48am On Jun 13, 2022 |
MiraDonaz:Jesus Christ never called anyone to become like Joseph or anyone in the Old Covenant Law which was an agreement God instead made with the people of Israel in the Kingdom of Canaan. Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. Anyone who belongs to Jesus Christ believes and obeys only Jesus Christ and those who do not are not true to Him. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:50am On Jun 13, 2022 |
MiraDonaz:Jesus Christ never said you couldn't vote or pay taxes. Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:50am On Jun 13, 2022 |
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Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 2:56am On Jun 13, 2022 |
jimmynauty:First of all, that line "occupy until I come" which you lift from the parable of the 10 Minas was not the nobleman telling his servants to occupy political roles until he returns. The context isn't money either since what his expectation was that they would use the resources he provided them to do work while he was away. So, I suggest you Reread that parable to understand how it does not apply in anyway or form to this topic.. Again , Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 In addition, Jesus Christ said rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by jimmynauty: 3:11am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: The bottom line is good governance which icj is paramount. Money is not the master I follow for good governance but equity and justice. Muslim Muslim ticket shouldn't be supported based on the constitution which we are encouraged to obey. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 3:17am On Jun 13, 2022 |
jimmynauty:1. The government of this world is according to the standards of this world and not of the Kingdom of God so they have nothing to do with Jesus Christ and that which He has called His followers to. 2. If the world chooses to support a Muslim Muslim ticket, that does not remove or reduce in any way that which Jesus Christ has commanded of His own in the Constitution of the Kingdom of God which He instead gave to them. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by jerryforgood: 3:59am On Jun 13, 2022 |
cornelboy:Jesus never stop or said his followers should not participate in politics. Please stop creating such notion. My kingdom is not of this world does not imply that Christian should stay away from politics. Matthew 11:12, tells us about the kingdom of God suffering violence by the wicked rulers of this world right from the day of John the Baptist till now. Remember John was captured and kill by Herod. Jesus implies in Matthew 11:12 that if Christian don't take the government by force then they will suffer more attack of violence. Let me tell you, these Muslims you see all have an Islamic agenda against the Christian. And if there's no Christian in politics that would be shariah laws be put in place, which would restrict you from serving God. Politics is never a sin in the Bible. It is the lie of the devil for Christian to stay away from politics so he can rule and destroy Christians in particular. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by jerryforgood: 4:06am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Stop this nonsense,. You're not representing Jesus at all. All you want is to promote Islamic agenda. You don't know Jesus. Those scriptures you're quoting are baseless to what Jesus intended. Christians must take the government. In fact, pastors must take the government, there is no sin in such. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 4:15am On Jun 13, 2022 |
jerryforgood:Not trying to hold brief for anyone but Jesus Christ here... 1. But the moment you became born-again, you gave up your citizenship of this world to instead become a citizen of the Kingdom of God abiding only by God's New Covenant and Law, Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God. For that reason even Jesus Christ confirmed this when He proclaimed that you are in this world but you are not of this world. The same Jesus Christ said of those who belong to Him, that they cannot serve God and another master, in this case the political systems of this world - Matthew 6 vs 24 He also decreed that rather than serve the political systems of this world, His followers should instead serve the others in the same way that He did - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. The Jesus Christ we know never ventured nor concerned Himself with the politics of this world so why would anyone who belongs to Him choose to serve under the system of this world? .. 2. The Romans, during Jesus Christ's day also had an agenda which was against God and eventually against His own followers, but that didn't cause Jesus Christ to involve Himself in politics nor did He concern Himself with the issues of Government of His time. So why do you think that as a follower of Jesus Christ, you should do that which Jesus Christ instructed you against doing? 3. Indeed politics is not sin as it is simply of this world and not of Kingdom of God. However, since Jesus Christ commanded His disciples not submit themselves to these systems of this world, and also instructed them not to engage in the political systems of the Gentile world, it is sin for anyone who is a follower of Jesus Christ to disobey His commandment in this.. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 4:19am On Jun 13, 2022 |
jerryforgood:1. Telling you what Jesus Christ commands is akin to promoting Islamic agenda? Are you so consumed with hate against Islam that you even condemn the Truth of Jesus Christ? 2. The words of Jesus Christ Himself you consider baseless so what are you here suggesting? That we remove Jesus Christ, the Christ in the word Christian, entirely from the Christian equation?, 3. You would that they abandon Jesus Christ so they can take government against God, that is. And to what end? |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Poleski: 5:04am On Jun 13, 2022 |
There's no difference between politicians and religious people. Both lie, cheat, steal, deceive, murder people and commit other crimes. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:22am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Engr2016:My brothers and sisters are in all the nations throughout the world and worshiping our God acceptably by the rules set in those nations. In fact it's among people who claims they're Christians that we do have issues mostly, once we know the rules set by any human government we obey with the exception of forceful worship and Muslims don't force anyone to join them in worship rather they only resist orders coming from those they view as pagans or infidels, but on the other hand misinformed churchgoers are ready to force their neighbors if not due to law and order. In Russia it's the religionists claiming Christians that are backing Vladimir Putin to continue persecuting Jehovah's Witnesses! That's why the European Union keep asking Putin's government to explain what exactly is the offense of Jehovah's Witnesses: The most peaceful and peace-loving group! |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:30am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Arizonaz: If you feel like it's OK, the OP was talking about active participation in politics so i think that's the topic of discussion for now, we can discuss that later. 1 Like |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:35am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Newton2024:Saved by His undeserved kindness (grace) Thanks, God bless you and may you have peace! |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by jimmynauty: 7:11am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: If the government is of this world and we have no business in it. Pray tell me why Paul ask us to pray for peace that we may live a good life? Paul must have mislead us by saying by Yahshua obedience, we receive abundance of grace and gift of righteousness TO REIGN IN LIFE? Get your pvc |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:02am On Jun 13, 2022 |
MasonKendall:A true Christian is the person who has made Jesus of Nazareth the man known as CHRIST his role model. The group name "CHRISTIANS" was derived from the title "CHRIST" and in the Bible the man called Jesus of Nazareth was believed by his followers to be the CHRIST due to the way he lived his life after baptism. His disciples were fully convinced that Jesus is the Son of God {Matt 16:13-16} this is so because throughout history no human has perfectly reflected God's attributes like this young Jewish carpenter {John 1:18} but then no human can perfectly be like him, why? Because Jesus is not from this planet {John 8:23} unlike all other humans Jesus never inherited imperfection from Adam so his brains, body, feelings, emotions and thoughts were perfect. If that's the case with Jesus of Nazareth known as "CHRIST" then how come imperfect humans can rightly be called "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26 Well it's because Jesus left behind a legacy for his disciples (followers) and strictly warned them never to deviate from it {John 14:23; 15:14 compare to Luke 9:62} this legacy was hard because his friends were normal humans like everyone else so how are they going to cope with the standard Jesus laid down? Jesus made them understand that they must work together as a team if they want to succeed in living by his rules {Matt 18:20 compare to Hebrew 10:24-25} the task he gave them was to gather subjects ready for him throughout the world in preparation for his inevitable coming Kingdom (government) Matt 28:18-20 So they must preach (plead with their neighbours) and teach whoever give them a listening ear how life will be in God's Kingdom. In Satan's world WEAPONS are used for forceful subjection of citizens to live by rules but Jesus ruled out forceful rulership which is what we know today as POLITICS by telling his disciples never to use force in setting standards among themselves nor for others outside their group {Matt 26:52} that's why they were know back in the first century as CHRISTIANS since they're always easygoing ever willing to subject themselves under any government and never seen struggling for the first place in the society: "and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave" Matt 20:27 So whenever people in the first century notice this group with this teachings they quickly remember that man known as "CHRIST" that's why they began calling them"CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26 Today many people have been misinformed about Jesus of Nazareth, they don't even know what he taught talkless thinking of how to live by his teachings, hence discussion like this are raised "Can A true Christian be actively involved politics?" Going by what we learned through the study of Jesus' life and ministry, and the manner his disciples back then humbly conducted themselves in the society the sincere and honest answer to this question is capital NO! Thanks! |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 8:03am On Jun 13, 2022 |
jimmynauty:1. I am not here be to preach or explain Paul whose letters were, all of them, written to a primarily Jewish Christian audience but now hijacked by Gentiles majority of whom have no understanding of the Jewish background and so miscontrue Paul's message to his Jewish brethren. For example, the grace and righteousness Paul wrote of was primarily in reference to the Jews and God's Old Covenant Law of Moses debt which they owed until Jesus Christ paid it for them - nothing to do with Gentiles. Anyways, Jesus Christ is the one whom I serve and it is Jesus Christ who is King and Law - God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. He is the Law we are called by God to obey. And so what He decrees is Truth in the Kingdom of God. |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by cornelboy(f): 8:50am On Jun 13, 2022 |
jerryforgood:Is Matthew 11:12 about the world or Nigeria government? Jesus, Paul, Peter, the rest of Jesus'apostles and the early church, did they participate in politics or were neutral? We know from the Bible that Satan is the God and ruler of this world. So it wouldn't change anything if some Christians joined politics. Besides, they would always fail or become like other diabolical political if they really want to succeed. Politics na your mate abi? |
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by jimmynauty: 9:02am On Jun 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Wow now I understand you are operating from a ministry of condemnation that you will assume Paul's epistles was not primarily addressed to gentiles. I don't want to digress but tell me was Yahshua not in Paul when he said we pray to be in peace as well as reign in life? It is here you reign not in heaven. No wonder people with this mindset acceot His words on persecution but reject His words of signs and wonders. I accept to been persecuted and miracles as part of His message. Let me shock you do you know that while Yahshua was on earth the old covenant was still operating? Meanwhile get your PVC. |
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