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Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by cornelboy(f): 6:24pm On Jun 12, 2022
Kingofhoes:

The early Roman and English church were heavily involved in politics. Dummy
Well, were they real Christian? No!
Early Christians were persecuted and a Roman leader took over the church and certain man-made doctrines were brought into the church.
Pure worship was distorted and here we are today.

Jesus will come soon to restore things. We should trust JEHOVAH GOD not human leaders.
Humans will always fail.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 6:25pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
1. First of all, are you a Christian or not? There are so many belief systems or doctrines many associate with Christianity today which are not part of biblical Christianity. So our belief systems or doctrines will definitely influence our line of thoughts. I don't know yours because GOD knows those who are His.

2. Nevertheless, the biblical Christianity that I know teaches that we are the light of the world and salt of the earth. This implies we must influence the world positively to the glory of Christ until he returns the second time to establish His eternal kingdom. No persecution, hatred , terrorism etc will stop his Kingdom. Just be prepared all the time!
1.▪︎ Did you know that Jesus Christ is the Christ in the word Christian? undecided

▪︎Did you know that a Christian is a term meant to describe those who are followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ .I.e. those who live their existence in continuous submission to and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God?. undecided

▪︎Did you know that Jesus Christ, from over 2000 years ago, condemned as lies, all your many doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches/systems) declaring them all abominations where the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, is concerned? undecided

Those who belong to Jesus Christ are those who continously submit to and obey His teachings(and commandments) - John 14 vs 15 - 25 - they are the "true Christians". undecided

2. But have you ever wondered what it means to be the light of the world and the salt of the earth? undecided

Do you know how God commands that you influence the world positively to the glory of Jesus Christ or do you simply assume it means you do exactly as the world does, against God by the way, pretending you do so in honor of Him? undecided

God explained to you in Isaiah 58 vs 6 - 14 exactly what you must do in order to let your light shine. It has nothing to do with becoming a politician nor does it have to do with getting a job to work for perishable bread. undecided

So you let me know. Do you follow God or do you follow doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches/systems) which are clearly against God in everything they espouse? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Engr2016: 6:29pm On Jun 12, 2022
Only Jehovah Witnesses are known for avoiding anything associated with public governance or politics in general. So my people, be guided, you might be unnecessarily arguing this topic with Jehovah Witnesses without even noticing it.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 6:47pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
Only Jehovah Witnesses are known for avoiding anything associated with public governance or politics in general. So my people, be guided, you might be unnecessarily arguing this topic with Jehovah Witnesses without even noticing it.
Well, Jesus Christ, the one who you claim by mouth as your Saviour did in fact command His followers to stay away from, not just the politics of this world - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 - but also from working for perishable bread - John 6 vs 25 - 35 . undecided

So are you here saying you refuse to submit to and Obey the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, the one who you pretend is your savior on grounds that by doing so you will be mistaken as a member of the Churchian group tagged the JWs who avoid anything associated with governance or politics in general ? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 6:48pm On Jun 12, 2022
Lamasta:

Joseph was the VP to pharaoh in Egypt, Daniel served 4 or more different kings in his time, David governed Israel etc

The bible says when the righteous are in authority the people rejoices but when the wicked ones rule the country will be in shambles as we are experiencing today
Jesus Christ never called you to sit on any Throne in the world. He instead told you that though you are in this world , you are not of this world. undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:50pm On Jun 12, 2022
Newton2024:
Jesus did not teach us to demonize politics. If good people run away from politics, who will remain? The problem Nigeria is facing today is that good people misconstrued politics as evil.

Well it is globally known as a DIRTY GAME and true Christians aren't expected to get involved in dirty dealings. That's why you can't find a single quotation in Jesus' statement in support of politics.
Moreover Jesus' first century disciples were subjected to vilification, humiliation, torture and persecution, if they're into politics do you think such will be the case? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 6:54pm On Jun 12, 2022
achimendy:
1. So believers should sit down and watch agents of the devil control the government, so when they legalise gay marriage, abortion, pampering of terrorists, and killing innocent people in the name of blasphemy etc you will start shouting they're killing Christians.

2. If not because you don't have brain, how do you expect people that don't have fear for God to do the right thing when they're in power.
Not here trying to hold brief for anyone but felt you asked a very good question there. undecided

1. Jesus Christ is the one who decreed that none of His own is to partake in the politics of this world. undecided

We all too easily forget that majority of those who changed the world we live in today did not do so by becoming politicians themselves. Instead they did so by proving to the world that their way was better. undecided

2. It is not for you to expect anything of them. Your Job as a follower of Jesus Christ is instead to do as your master has called on you to. And where your master commands you not be a politician is this world,- Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 - your job is to obey the one who is your master. undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Engr2016: 6:55pm On Jun 12, 2022
Please stop misquoting or misinterpreting the Bible. I have finally been able to deduce that you are very likely a Jehovah Witness unless you deny it. You said Jesus said people should not work for perishable bread and equate it to politics. That's wrong usage of the scriptures. For your info, the Bible never expects anyone to be idle or lazy. You have to work to earn a living. The Bible says he that does not work must not eat. 2Thess 3:10. In Matthew 20:24-28 you misquoted, JESUS never said His disciple should not be in government. Rather in was talking about how his disciples should behave or conduct themselves in their Christian fellowship or gathering. He was emphasizing that they shouldn't lord it over themselves i.e dominate other Christian brothers/sisters because they are all equal in Christ and must serve one another in humility. He was not referring to the generality of the public, unbelievers or non-disciples or politics.
Working to earn a living is not a sin unless you are trying to rewrite the Scriptures.
Kobojunkie:
Well, Jesus Christ, the one who you claim by mouth as your Saviour did in fact command His followers to stay away from, not just the politics of this world - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 - but also from working for perishable bread - John 6 vs 25 - 35 . undecided

So are you here saying you refuse to submit to and Obey the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, the one who you pretend is your savior on grounds that by doing so you will be mistaken as a member of the Churchian group tagged the JWs who avoid anything associated with governance or politics in general ? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 6:57pm On Jun 12, 2022
Hezmatosky:
Nonsense! What's the difference between Nigeria politics and other country's politics?
Nothing really. However, the difference between a True Christian and any politician in this world is true Christians submit to and obey Jesus Christ alone whereas your politicians serve and obey, or are supposed to at least, the people and their pockets. undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 6:58pm On Jun 12, 2022
DARLINGTON869:
Yes, a Christian can be actively involved in politics. However, he must allow the holy spirit make the move on the chess board for him lest he ends up in a party filled with blood drinkers and demon controlled power drunks. The way of God is never the same way with that of man. Pastor Tunde Bakare may have been divinely inspired to go into politics, no doubt...but he may have gone ahead of God to direct himself in political paths not ordained by God. If God can give the entire nation of Israel to an unknown boy (David) whose job was to tend sheep and deliver drinking water to his elder brothers in battle ground, Giving the entirety of Nigeria to anybody of his choice is absolutely nothing to him. Take this to the bank.

T O DARLING
Any Christian who serves a politicians does so against Jesus Christ who instead commanded His followers never to occupy political seat in this world - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:59pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
Only Jehovah Witnesses are known for avoiding anything associated with public governance or politics in general. So my people, be guided, you might be unnecessarily arguing this topic with Jehovah Witnesses without even noticing it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm it's like most people are now waking up to the fact that only JWs are PRACTICING what Jesus taught.
The OP asked a question and directed it to true Christians so if you're so sure that only JWs are the ones backing up their views with what Jesus CHRIST said then something is wrong somewhere!

But i want to assure you that there are many here that aren't Jehovah's Witnesses but they've learned from experience that politics can never yield any positive results. That's why they're not in support of politics.

After the election try to calculate the total number of voters throughout Nigeria and compare to the population of Nigeria that's when you will get to know that it's not only JWs that doesn't believe in DEMOCRACY but it's only JWs that can use Jesus' words to back up their views! Luke 12:11-12

May you have PEACE! smiley
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 6:59pm On Jun 12, 2022
Arizonaz:
Why not? King David in the Bible is what? King Hezekiah, and others
They were not Christians nor were they born-again. undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Engr2016: 7:03pm On Jun 12, 2022
Again, I have been able to wisely and peacefully identify the second Jehovah Witness in this forum. You picked the bait. The fact that you Jehovah Witnesses can quote their own version of the bible does not mean you are right. Remember anyone can misquote the scriptures for his or her ulterior motive. Don't forget even the Devil himself quoted the scriptures while tempting JESUS CHRIST our LORD.

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm it's like most people are now waking up to the fact that only JWs are PRACTICING what Jesus taught.
The OP asked a question and directed it to true Christians so if you're so sure that only JWs are the ones backing up their views with what Jesus CHRIST said then something is wrong somewhere!

But i want to assure you that there are many here that aren't Jehovah's Witnesses but they've learned from experience that politics can never yield any positive results. That's why they're not in support of politics.

After the election try to calculate the total number of voters throughout Nigeria and compare to the population of Nigeria that's when you will get to know that it's not only JWs that doesn't believe in DEMOCRACY but it's only JWs that can use Jesus' words to back up their views! Luke 12:11-12

May you have PEACE! smiley
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Engr2016: 7:06pm On Jun 12, 2022
Stop misquoting the scriptures , bro. The Matthew 20 vs 24-28 you misquoted reads thus "When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. 25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." END OF QUOTE. Clearly, JESUS was referring to how christian brothers and sisters should treat themselves in their gathering/fellowship. He wasn't referring to politics or governance.

Kobojunkie:
Any Christian who serves a politicians does so against Jesus Christ who instead commanded His followers never to occupy political seat in this world - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:11pm On Jun 12, 2022
Arizonaz:

Why not? King David in the Bible is what? King Hezekiah, and others

The true God only allowed the Israelites to have a taste of the suffering other nations are experiencing due to their choice of human Kings. When the Israelites first made the demand it was totally a bad idea!

Read 1Samuel 8:1-22

Samuel told the Israelites that when the kings (rulers) they're demanding begin to maltreat them {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} they will cry unto God for help but He will not answer them. 1Samuel 8:18

Perhaps that's not what is happening in Nigeria right now. Most of you do compare one country to another not knowing that there's no nation under the heavens where the citizens aren't suffering one way or another in the hands of POLITICIANS! smiley
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:15pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
The fact that Jehovah Witnesses can quote their own version of the bible does not mean they are right. Remember anyone can misquote the scriptures for his or her ulterior motive. Don't forget even the Devil himself quoted the scriptures while tempting JESUS CHRIST our LORD.

Good!
So address the OP's question by QUOTING Jesus to support your view, you don't need to oppose any religious group just go straight to your views using JESUS CHRIST's words as back up.
Thanks Sir! smiley
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Engr2016: 7:23pm On Jun 12, 2022
Bro, you misquoted the words of JESUS CHRIST to back up your doctrine in Jehovah Witness. Those words of JESUS is available to anyone who has the bible. They can verify it themselves. Misrepresenting the word of JESUS for another purpose is wrong and sinful. That is similar to what the Devil did by misquoting the scriptures to deceive JESUS CHRIST. The same place you misquoted clearly explains JESUS was referring to proper conducts among disciples/the brethren and not politics or public governance. You ask for my own quote. Well, the bible verses that I already quoted earlier such as " You are the light or the world! You are the salt of the earth! " etc that I already quotted earlier already makes it clear Christians are expected to positively influence the world in a goldy manner until JESUS comes back irrespective of the persecution we would suffer. The issue is: most Christians especially in politics or governance are not bold enough to withstand persecution or stand for what is right. They easily compromise or blend with the world but that does not mean JESUS commanded them not to join governance.

MaxInDHouse:


Good!
So address the OP's question by QUOTING Jesus to support your view, you don't need to oppose any religious group just go straight to your views using JESUS CHRIST's words as back up.
Thanks Sir! smiley
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 7:30pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
1. Please stop misquoting or misinterpreting the Bible. I have finally been able to deduce that you are very likely a Jehovah Witness unless you deny it.

2a. You said Jesus said people should not work for perishable bread and equate it to politics. That's wrong usage of the scriptures.

2b. For your info, the Bible never expects anyone to be idle or lazy. You have to work to earn a living. The Bible says he that does not work must not eat. 2Thess 3:10.

3. In Matthew 20:24-28 you misquoted, JESUS never said His disciple should not be in government. Rather in was talking about how his disciples should behave or conduct themselves in their Christian fellowship or gathering. He was emphasizing that they shouldn't lord it over themselves i.e dominate other Christian brothers/sisters because they are all equal in Christ and must serve one another in humility. He was not referring to the generality of the public, unbelievers or non-disciples or politics.

Working to earn a living is not a sin unless you are trying to rewrite the Scriptures.
1. undecided

2a. Again, what I said is instead that Jesus Christ said people should not work for perishable bread - John 6 vs 25 - 35. So where do you get this idea that I directly equate that with politics?

By the way, those who work in politics do so to put perishable bread on their table, do they not? undecided

2b. You say your Bible never expects anyone to be idle or Lazy. Well, when Jesus Christ called the first 12 away from their jobs/careers/businesses, families, causing them to abandon everything for His sake, is it your conclusion that He called them to instead live a lazy existence with Him or what? undecided

Jesus Christ explained in John 6 vs 25 - 35 that He calls all His followers to work instead for food that endures to eternity which only He can give, and that work, He explained, is believing in the one that God sent. So, as long as Jesus Christ isn't your Boss at work, you are living in direct disobedience of God's Law. That is what Jesus Christ said. Do you not believe Jesus Christ at all? . undecided

3. Look again at what Jesus Christ said in that passage to see how your convenient explanation only works to minimize the Truth of God aka make it a lie! undecided
24 The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25 So Jesus called the followers together. He said, You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26 But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27 Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28 Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.” - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28
Can anyone be success in politics even today without
▪︎ wielding authority over their constituents in some way or form? undecided
▪︎ using power to override even ideas put forth by the people in one way or another

Servants are those who do exactly as they are commanded. Forget all the talk about politicians claiming to be servants of the people as there has never been a politician who has been able to serve each and everyone of the people(masters) effectively. undecided

Pay close attention to what Jesus Christ then commands you to do in Verse 28. There He declares that in this you should instead be like Him. Jesus Christ never engaged in politics nor did He embrace the politics of this world, or rule over His own disciples in any way of form. He was a servant with them serving the Will of His Father, feeding them, clothing them, caring for them, even going as far as to wash their feet. What part of what Jesus Christ said you should instead do sounds like engaging in the politics of this world? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 7:34pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
1. Stop misquoting the scriptures , bro. The Matthew 20 vs 24-28 you misquoted reads thus "When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. 25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." END OF QUOTE.

2 . Clearly, JESUS was referring to how christian brothers and sisters should treat themselves in their gathering/fellowship. He wasn't referring to politics or governance.
Open your eyes so you can see! undecided

1. Jesus Christ pretty much told you right there in that context exactly what you should do instead of entering into politics. So why would anyone blindly believe a Christian can still go into politics after reading what Jesus Christ clearly taught His followers to do instead? undecided

2. In their gathering/fellowship? Are you kidding? undecided

He told them not to set themselves up as rulers as the Gentile politicians do. And you think he somehow meant that only where the Christians are gathered. Did Jesus Christ only live as servant to those in His gathering/fellowship too? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Newton2024: 7:36pm On Jun 12, 2022
Kobojunkie:
While He did not teach you to demonize the ways of the world, He certainly commanded you to not engage in their ways - Matthew 20 vs 20 - 28. . There Jesus Christ actually commands His followers not to engage in politics, stating instead that His followers are called to be slaves who serve in much the same way that He did. undecided
That must be from the bible you authored personally. You are deluded Bro.

Don't worry, let terr-orists continue to rule over you. They will soon meet you.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 7:38pm On Jun 12, 2022
Newton2024:
1. That must be from the bible you authored personally. You are deluded Bro.

Don't worry, let terr-orists continue to rule over you. They will soon meet you.
1. You mean what Jesus Christ commands you to do in Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 is not in the scriptures you read at all? lipsrsealed

2. Even Jesus Christ was ruled, and eventually killed by those who He did not see eye to eye with while He was here on earth. Are you saying He was also deluded? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Newton2024: 7:39pm On Jun 12, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Well it is globally known as a DIRTY GAME and true Christians aren't expected to get involved in dirty dealings. That's why you can't find a single quotation in Jesus' statement in support of politics.
Moreover Jesus' first century disciples were subjected to vilification, humiliation, torture and persecution, if they're into politics do you think such will be the case? undecided
That's why you can't find a single quotation in Jesus' statement against politics. Be tired of being ruled buy wicked people. Pity your future generations. If you enjoy being subjugated under terr-orist muslims, your children may not like it.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Engr2016: 7:43pm On Jun 12, 2022
Again, you are still misquoting the scriptures. JESUS did not called every disciples in the same manner. Some were called to become ministers such as the Apostles. These are the category of people that became full time missionaries . He didn't called everybody to stop working. Cornelius that became born again was never reported to have stopped his work as a military man. The same goes for Priscila and Aquila who were tent makers and yet were still faithful disciples. What about the elite or rich man called Joseph of Arimathea. (Mathew 27: 57-59). He was so influential in the public society of that era that he could asked the governor Pilate for the dead body of our Lord JESUS and prepare him for burial. The lesser influential or poorer Christians couldn't do that because they had all run away and hidden themselves out of fear. This is not an insult to them because they were mourning and in disbelief at that moment. Hence, Joseph of Arimathea had to fulfill that purpose better than them. This implies every Christian whether rich, poor or elite has their role to play in the fulfilment of the gospel.

Kobojunkie:
1. undecided

2a. Again, what I said is instead that Jesus Christ said people should not work for perishable bread - John 6 vs 25 - 35. So where do you get this idea that I directly equate that with politics?

By the way, those who work in politics do so to put perishable bread on their table, do they not? undecided

2b. You say your Bible never expects anyone to be idle or Lazy. Well, when Jesus Christ called the first 12 away from their jobs/careers/businesses, families, causing them to abandon everything for His sake, is it your conclusion that He called them to instead live a lazy existence with Him or what? undecided

Jesus Christ explained in John 6 vs 25 - 35 that He calls all His followers to work instead for food that endures to eternity which only He can give, and that work, He explained, is believing in the one that God sent. So, as long as Jesus Christ isn't your Boss at work, you are living in direct disobedience of God's Law. That is what Jesus Christ said. Do you not believe Jesus Christ at all? . undecided

3. Look again at what Jesus Christ said in that passage to see how your convenient explanation only works to minimize the Truth of God aka make it a lie! undecided
Can anyone be success in politics even today without
▪︎ wielding authority over their constituents in some way or form? undecided
▪︎ using power to override even ideas put forth by the people in one way or another

Servants are those who do exactly as they are commanded. Forget all the talk about politicians claiming to be servants of the people as there has never been a politician who has been able to serve each and everyone of the people(masters) effectively. undecided

Pay close attention to what Jesus Christ then commands you to do in Verse 28. There He declares that in this you should instead be like Him. Jesus Christ never engaged in politics nor did He embrace the politics of this world, or rule over His own disciples in any way of form. He was a servant with them serving the Will of His Father, feeding them, clothing them, caring for them, even going as far as to wash their feet. What part of what Jesus Christ said you should instead do sounds like engaging in the politics of this world? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:53pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
Bro, you misquoted the words of JESUS CHRIST to back up your doctrine in Jehovah Witness. Those words of JESUS is available to anyone who has the bible. They can verify it themselves. Misrepresenting the word of JESUS for another purpose is wrong and sinful. That is similar to what the Devil did by misquoting the scriptures to deceive JESUS CHRIST. The same place you misquoted clearly explains JESUS was referring to proper conducts among disciples/the brethren and not politics or public governance. You ask for my own quote. Well, the bible verses that I already quoted earlier such as " You are the light or the world! You are the salt of the earth! " etc that I already quotted earlier already makes it clear Christians are expected to positively influence the world in a goldy manner until JESUS comes back irrespective of the persecution we would suffer. The issue is: most Christians especially in politics or governance are not bold enough to withstand persecution or stand for what is right. They easily compromise or blend with the world but that does not mean JESUS commanded them not to join governance.

The highlighted says it all my friend, after four gospel accounts Matthew, Mark, Luke and John then God used His Holy Spirit to direct the first century Christians in writing what is known today as the 'ACT OF APOSTLES"

So if you have the ACTS of those who received this faith directly from Jesus of Nazareth and it's glaring that they laid low having nothing to do with politics what makes you think you're practicing what they practiced if you're going into politics? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Newton2024: 7:56pm On Jun 12, 2022
Kobojunkie:
1. You mean what Jesus Christ commands you to do in Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 is not in the scriptures you read at all? lipsrsealed

2. Even Jesus Christ was ruled, and eventually killed by those who He did not see eye to eye with while He was here on earth. Are you saying He was also deluded? undecided

Jesus did not command what you think he commanded. It is a figment of your imagination. For your information, there was no democracy during the time of Jesus. And that politics is not Jesus' purpose of coming to Earth does not mean he commanded us not to be involved with politics. Prophets are not politicians but mouthpiece of God. Jesus is God himself so he needs no political power.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Newton2024: 7:58pm On Jun 12, 2022
Kobojunkie:
1. You mean what Jesus Christ commands you to do in Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 is not in the scriptures you read at all? lipsrsealed

2. Even Jesus Christ was ruled, and eventually killed by those who He did not see eye to eye with while He was here on earth. Are you saying He was also deluded? undecided
How do you want Nigeria better with this your out of the scriptures belief? That means you have given up. Muslims can continue to do you the way they like. I pity you brother.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Kobojunkie: 8:00pm On Jun 12, 2022
Engr2016:
1. Again, you are still misquoting the scriptures. JESUS did not called every disciples in the same manner. Some were called to become ministers such as the Apostles. These are the category of people that became full time missionaries . He didn't called everybody to stop working. Cornelius that became born again was never reported to have stopped his work as a military man. The same goes for Priscila and Aquila who were tent makers and yet were still faithful disciples. What about the elite or rich man called Joseph of Arimathea. (Mathew 27: 57-59). He was so influential in the public society of that era that he could asked the governor Pilate for the dead body of our Lord JESUS and prepare him for burial.

2. The lesser influential or poorer Christians couldn't do that because they had all run away and hidden themselves out of fear. This is not an insult to them because they were mourning and in disbelief at that moment. Hence, Joseph of Arimathea had to fulfill that purpose better than them. This implies every Christian whether rich, poor or elite has their role to play in the fulfilment of the gospel.
1. So pretty much what you are saying is that Jesus Christ lied when He

▪︎ commanded that those who will follow Him stop working for perishable bread and instead work for food that endures to eternity - John 6 vs 25 - 35 - this ofcourse in order to redeem men from God's curse in Genesis 3 vs 18 which condemned as cursed the works of the hands of men? undecided

▪︎ decreed that those who abandon it all, who loose their life - job/career/businesses, families, reputations etc., - for His sake will be saved and obtain Heaven - Matthew 10 vs 34 - 39 & Matthew 16 vs 24 - 26 & Mark 8 vs 34 - 36 & Luke 9 vs 23 - 25? undecided

▪︎ declared that those who abandon livelihood, house, home, land, families etc., for His sake will reap rewards here and in eternity - Matthew 19 vs 28 - 30? undecided

Be very careful! Jesus Christ said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings( and commandments) - John 14 vs 15 - 25. Those who are His friends are those who do as He asks - John 15 vs 14. No matter what you pretend to be called to, if you do not do as Jesus Christ commands, you deny yourself any part in Him. undecided

So do you follow your ideas of the examples of men or do you follow Jesus Christ ? undecided

2. I am afraid your understanding of who Joseph of Arimathea was is severely flawed as he simply served a role similar to that served by the prostitute who applied expensive perfume on Jesus, and nothing else. undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:01pm On Jun 12, 2022
Newton2024:

That's why you can't find a single quotation in Jesus' statement against politics. Be tired of being ruled buy wicked people. Pity your future generations. If you enjoy being subjugated under terr-orist muslims, your children may not like it.

I don't have any child who doesn't share my beliefs so if anyone from any part of the world share my beliefs he/she is my father, mother, sister, brother, son or daughter. Matt 12:46-50

So only those that share my beliefs are my families whoever doesn't share my beliefs is just my neighbour nothing more! smiley
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Newton2024: 8:02pm On Jun 12, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Well it is globally known as a DIRTY GAME and true Christians aren't expected to get involved in dirty dealings. That's why you can't find a single quotation in Jesus' statement in support of politics.
Moreover Jesus' first century disciples were subjected to vilification, humiliation, torture and persecution, if they're into politics do you think such will be the case? undecided
Did Jesus teach about conjugal sex? If not, does it mean sex between couple is a sin? There's no where in the bible where Jesus directly or indirectly commanded us not to join politics. And you are not helping Christianity with this your baseless belief. It means you have totally surrendered to muslims. They can do unto you and your generations the way they like.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Engr2016: 8:04pm On Jun 12, 2022
Even the bolded portion you did does not contradict the scriptures. The fact that some or many Christians compromise or blend with the world does not mean all other or every Christian will do the same. Neither does it mean JESUS said Christians must not be involved in governance. In every other areas of life such as accounting, engineering, business etc, some christians still compromise. But does that mean they should stopped being accountants, engineers, businesmen etc? The answer is a capital NO. Remember even Prophet Elijah said he was the only person remaining for Him but GOD said he still have several righteous men standing for Him.

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted says it all my friend, after four gospel accounts Matthew, Mark, Luke and John then God used His Holy Spirit to direct the first century Christians in writing what is known today as the 'ACT OF APOSTLES"

So if you have the ACTS of those who received this faith directly from Jesus of Nazareth and it's glaring that they laid low having nothing to do with politics what makes you think you're practicing what they practiced if you're going into politics? undecided
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by Newton2024: 8:11pm On Jun 12, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


I don't have any child who doesn't share my beliefs so if anyone from any part of the world share my beliefs he/she is my father, mother, sister, brother, son or daughter. Matt 12:46-50

So only those that share my beliefs are my families whoever doesn't share my beliefs is just my neighbour nothing more! smiley
It is people like you that make muslims think Christians are not relevant. You are a minus to Christendom. I don't know why you people always quote the bible out of its connotation and denotation, given it your own interpretation.

I regret being in a country where christians are docile and passive to the advantage of jihadists. You are not doing yourself any good by surrendering your right to fundamentalists. It is a pity.
Re: Can A True Christian Be Actively Involved In Nigeria Politics As It Is Today? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:13pm On Jun 12, 2022
Newton2024:
Did Jesus teach about conjugal sex? If not, does it mean sex between couple is a sin? There's no where in the bible where Jesus directly or indirectly commanded us not to join politics. And you are not helping Christianity with this your baseless belief. It means you have totally surrendered to muslims. They can do unto you and your generations the way they like.

There wouldn't have been anything called ISLAM if not for the Catholics that terrorized the world of that time claiming they're fighting religious wars.
Christianity is meant to be submissive to any form of worship after all everything Jesus taught us is a way of life that we can live in any country no matter the religion they practice.

Go and check your Bible if any pagan nation attacked the Christians, it was the Jews who claimed they believe in the same books Christ's followers were preaching that were calling for their heads. So had it not been for the Jews Christianity would have easily gone round the world without having anything to do with politics or wars against any other religion! smiley

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