pelezico:

The widows mite - our challenge as Christians
Luke 21:1-4 1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men that were casting their gifts into the treasury. 2 And he saw a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. 3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, This poor widow cast in more than they all: 4 for all these did of their superfluity cast in unto the gifts; but she of her want did cast in all the living that she had.

Pastor Kun:

@pelezico
With biblical references kindly tell us how the bible defines God's tithe, does it bare any resemblance to the man made version being preached today. Also without twisting scripture kindly show us the passage in the bible Jesus was alleged to have paid tithes.

Joagbaje:

Jesus endorsed tithing

23[b]Woe unto you[/b], scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites Joagbaje! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Joagbaje:

likewise Paul.Nothing can be clearer than pauls reference here

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

The welfare for ministers in the temple comes from tithings and offerings . Same thing goes for the church.

njira:

How do we give to God? by giving to God's work, and what is God's work? God's work is the Gospel.

njira:

if i say so myself i have not really come to an understanding about the issue but am working on it

Zikkyy:

I think you should learn to separate issue of tithing from funding the gospel. We all understand that the gospel need to be funded, somehow I don't have a problem if collections, including the (freewill) donation of 10% by members is used for true missionary work. I think the concern is the lies/scripture twisting that accompany the teaching/preaching of tithe.

work on it very well oh don't let the pastor deceive you

pelezico:

i herald from the UK and i know where my giving goes (we have bi anual finance meeting where our givings are discussed and we are charity status - which means the tax man has an eye on us) so i dont have the hang ups that many of you have - but i would feel just the same as many of you and would not give .


Our church supports many fellowships world wide - we are not wealthy by some peoples standards but we give.  We support churches directly in nigeria lagos Sierra Leone, South Africa, Namibia, Italy, Spain, and in the UK quite a few.  

for instance my friend who was a doctor contracting around London just came off of support.  When he was in support he took care of financing his church and family workign part time as a medical doctor while pastoring . He was Pastoring a new church our from the mother church though the building and some expenses are supported by the mother church.  

Out Pastor wants every pioneering pastor to be off support within i think 4 years.  If international we tend to support alot longer.  It depends on the needs.  The pastor will sometimes have to find a job there so to help to take the burden off teh mother church.

We have struggled and have had to sell some houses that we bought to put up single ladies and men who had know place to stay.

We are still struggling but thats life and Gods helping the church.  People are being blessed.

We dont emphasise on posterity at all - though due to people losing jobs in the uk pastor has started to address this.

So i know where the church finances go -

By the way we support the churches in the uk and international by sending impact teams regular doing stuff like drama, cnoncerts, choir and full on preaching.  So because we are in a church that requires people to get involved we dont complain about where the money goes.

njira:

@Enigma ~ i must say i apologize ~ my points were about giving to the Church and not specifically the 10% tithing ~ if i say so myself i have not really come to an understanding about the issue but am working on it

Joagbaje:

tell them o. To some folks, church is seen as business. not knowing the many sacrifices ministers make just to reach others for jesus.

Azibalua:

Tithing is nit a law, it is a principle, we don't give our tithes, we pay our tithes,it is gods own and does not belong to us,all Christians ought to pay their tithe.

And who receives the tithes these false pastors are collecting is it men or God The answer is men that die and not God see below:

Hebrews 7: 8
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Febup:

And who receives the tithes these false pastors are collecting is it men or God The answer is men that die and not God see below:

garyarnold:

Isn't it odd that even though Abram gave a tenth directly to Melchizedek, the king/priest, that some Christians think they can give directly to God by giving it to their pastor?

I find it quite offensive that pastors have appointed themselves to be the receiver of what belongs to God.

garyarnold:

Tithing is not a principle. Only false teachers say it is.

Hebrews 7:5 (KJV) - And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Matthew 23:23 (KJV) - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Instead of referring to a website written by a false teacher, search out a website from a reputable theologian.

Pastor Kun:

@wordtalk
Assuming you are right (which you are not) that tithing is a principle, why do so many false teachers teach it as a mandatory commandment to christians?

It is evident from scriptures that tithing has no part in true christianity.

wordtalk:

In every single case of tithes and other types of offerings, it is men that receive them. To condemn tithes because men receive them is to condemn all other types of offerings as well, since it is also men that also receive them.

Have you ever given offerings directly to the hand of God? Did He come down directly to receive yours? Is it not true that every single offering you have ever given in your life was received by men?

garyarnold:

The KJV uses the word "tithe" with Abram in Genesis, but in Hebrews 7, the KJV uses tenth instead of tithe when speaking of Abraham, yet uses the word tithe when referring to the Levites.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Hebrews 7:6
But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

The word "tithe" means a tenth UNTIL God gave His definition of His tithe. From that point on, the KJV no longer uses the word "tithe" to just mean a tenth.

Most later versions of the Bible do NOT use the word "tithe" in Genesis, but rather the word tenth.

In Genesis the word "tithe" is a mathematical term that has NOTHING to do with giving to God.

To say that Abram "tithed" is not correct. Abram gave a tenth.

Taking a word from the Bible and ignoring its context leads to false teaching.

Febup:

Men who die receives tithes, simply means you don't get any reward for doing so today if you give them your tithes, this is equal to putting money into a bank that is going to close down.

wordtalk:

In all cases of tithes in the Bible, they are received by men. God never once came down to take tithes from anybody with His own hands. So, your initial argument was just uncalled for.

Febup:

The tithe collected today is false, the one in the Bible was for teachers of the law, Pharisees and hypocrites! See the verse below:

wordtalk:

Matthew 23:23 is not the only verse that shows us the receivers of tithes in the Bible, unless you're saying that is the only verse you see in the Bible.

garyarnold:

I stand corrected as far as the KJV not using the word tithe with Abraham in Hebrews.

However, I stand by my comments that Abram's tithe had nothing to do with God.  Biblical historians agree that during the days of Abraham, it was custom to give a tenth of war spoils to the king.

In any case, Abraham didn't give a tenth of his income or his wealth.  Abraham give us NO example to follow as far as giving a tenth of our income to the church.  That is pure nonsense.  There is no principle of giving a tenth of one's income here, and there is no principle of giving a tenth of one's income in any of the tithing commands given by God.  That nonsense is made up by wolves in sheep's clothing.

LIST OF TITHING OPPONENTS IN HISTORY

Tithing opponents throughout the years as compiled by Dr. David Croteau, Liberty University, You Mean I Don’t Have to Tithe?, p271-292.

Febup:

Ok here is another example, the tax collector below did not pay tax on his income as tax collector but he went home justified before God rather than the Pharisee who gave a tenth of all he gets.’ Yet I hear tithe payers boosting that God has blessed them more than those who don't give tithe of their income to false pastors.

wordtalk:

You can't argue that the tithe in the Bible was "for teachers of the law, Pharisees and hypocrites" as if that is the only thing taught throughout the Bible concerning tithes. Just try and make some sense in what you say and mean, so that you won't have to asked to justify things that you cannot affirm.

Febup:

I'm referring to the tithes collected in churches today, they are similar to those of the "teachers of the law, Pharisees and hypocrites" which Jesus was referring to, though false pastors have changed it to tithes of income.

Abram's tithe to Melchizedek was a different kind of tithe so it is better you leave it out.

But if you insist on bringing this on then it just goes to show your are very deceitful and satan is very good at doing that.