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| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by brainpulse: 3:11pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
@ FEBUP how many people are faithful, are you also faithful febup? God has bless this country with alll blessing in natural, human, soil- our soul yields throughout the year with differnt crops, yet we suffer. because we are not faithful and we are not serving God in truth. secondly how many of our leaders know God and serve him in truth, the problem is not the church but the society. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by bunmioguns(m): 3:13pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
brainpulse:Thanks brainpulse, you know that the Bible even said it in Hosea 4:6A that, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by coogar: 3:19pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Febup: pay your tithes and stop whining. why is it that only nigerians only complain about the issue of tithes? are you people so poverty stricken that you must question anything monetary? people pay tithes everywhere i have been without complaints and groans but a typical nigerian wants to know why he must pay his tithes. if you don't pay tithes, what's supposed to take care of the church? take care of the pastors who are mostly full-time pastors? you come in, sit comfortably, eat their snacks, drink their juices and you don't want to leave anything for their teachings? shame on any christian that questions tithing - and you hypocrites pay fortunes in strip clubs and whorehouses. Febup: nigeria is what is it today because of people like you!!! nigerians will never see the reward because the majority don't give tithes with a pure heart. many of you actually curse, whine and groan before parting with the money meant for your creator! how do you then expect reward when you don't give with an open mind? |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by bunmioguns(m): 3:22pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Febup: The reason is that almost 95% of d so called Christians are unfaithful with it, but to those faithful with it, they are reaping their rewards, Remember that you can never trade with God and Loose |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by KAYD007(m): 3:24pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
@febup bros y u dey vex like this na?   ur headjust dey comot steam evr since u started this topic  |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by bunmioguns(m): 3:26pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
coogar: NICE COMMENT |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by KAYD007(m): 3:28pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
@bunmioguns The reason is that almost 95% of d so called Christians are unfaithful with it, but to those faithful with it, they are reaping their rewards, Remember that you can never trade with God and Loose Ur statement above is irritating! |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 3:30pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
brainpulse: If every worker and farmer should start paying thier tithes regularly in Nigeria from now on the nation will even be worse than it is today, why because they will not look after the poor and needy, instead the pastors will all have fleets of private jets and their own runways in their backyard. The nations that are blessed today are the ones that looks after the poor and needy in their society, which is the new commandment Jesus has given us. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by bunmioguns(m): 3:38pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
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| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by coogar: 3:44pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Febup: i can now see you are not well versed in the issue of tithes. tithing is a key ingredient but not the absolute practice in receiving heavenly blessings. matthew 23:23 says woe to you scribes and pharisees, pretenders(hypocrites). for you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cumming, and have neglected and omitted the weightier(more important) matters of the law--right and justice and mercy and fidelity. these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. so tithing alone will not bring the rewards you desperately crave if you neglect the other indices of the law. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by ogajim(m): 3:49pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
coogar: Dude has got to be a pastor or an aspiring one! In your previous post you mentioned having been to Countries that don't complain about tithe, Care to "educate" us about those countries? We would certainly like to know where those Countries are because people don't pay tithe in Germany-the home country of Martin Luther himself the father of the Protestant movement, so come on. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by aleyi: 3:51pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
@febup.you guys should stop confussing people,jst do what you believe and leave others alone.it's not a must you pay your tight ,we that are paying know what we are gaining.so,jst do what is on your mind please. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Diligence: 3:55pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Just one major point about tithe: Remember if u brot anything to present b4 God and if u had aught against any1 or any1 has against u, it is scripturally advised that u settle ur a/cs wt ur neigbours, b4 presentg that gift (of whateva it's) to God. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Micuilles: 4:00pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
@ bunmioguns & brainpulse May God bless you guys for patiently educating these folks on God's words. You will continue to increase in God's wisdom in the name of our Lord Jesus christ. Amen. @ Ogojim, I noticed you have a special affinity for Joagbaje. Anywhere you see him you want him to always notice you. ARE YOU man-lover? , if you are, I think there are better ways to get a fellow man's attention instead of raining baseless insults on him. You can start by being interested in the things he says and respond critically. Just a humle advise.  |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by coogar: 4:13pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
ogajim: trust a typical nigerian to respond the way i would expect a mutant herbivore to do on matters like this. so because i believe tithes should be paid makes me a pastor/aspiring pastor? i shake my head at your sheer ignorance.
and yet more sheer ignorance. in germany, the government actually deduct 8-9%(depending on which federal state you dwell) of your earnings every month and pay it directly into the church coffers. church taxes are collected for catholic and protestants by the german government. grab a book and read if you cannot travel! |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by garyarnold(m): 4:31pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
This blog is proof there is a sucker born every minute. Let’s look at Malachi 3. First, who is God speaking to – the priests or the people? We need to study the entire Book of Malachi rather than take a few verses out of context. By the time we get to verse 6 in chapter 1, we see it is the priests that are being addressed at that point. In both chapters 1 and 2 of Malachi there is a conversation going on between God and the priests. Every time the word "you" is used, it is referring to the priests. Chapter 3 continues with this conversation. In verse 5 God says "And I will come near to you to judgment…, " In the Old Testament, during this period of time and generally speaking, only the priests could get near to God. It is only in the New Testament that born again believers, you and I, can get close to God. So up to chapter 3 verse 5, God is speaking to the priests. The word "you" is still referring to the priests. There is nothing in the scripture to indicate this changes when you get to verse 8. But that's not all. Read Numbers 18:29-30 and then read Malachi 1:14. Those verses explain robbing God of the offerings. The PRIESTS, not the people, robbed God of the offering by giving to God the worst instead of the best. In Nehemiah 13 we are told that the priests stole the Levites portion of the tithe; therefore, they had no food to eat at the temple, and they went back to their own fields. Therefore, taking the Levites portion of the tithe is the robbing God of the tithe. Or to put it another way, THE LEVITES WERE ROBBED. God said He was robbed because the tithe did not go where God directed. Next, in Malachi 3:10 God says to bring all the tithes to the storehouse. The people took the tithes to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities, not to the temple. The Levites took the required tithe of the tithe to the temple. (See Nehemiah 10:37-38) Only those tithes ever made it to the temple. The priests then took those tithes to the storehouse. It only makes sense if God is speaking to the priests in this verse. Since in Numbers 18 God makes it perfectly clear that the tithe belongs to Him, and He gave it to the Levites, anyone who takes God’s tithe to their local church must also be robbing God since the Levites are not the ones getting it. I see no way around this. Either the tithe ended per Hebrews 7:18, OR those who take God’s tithe to their local church must be robbing God since God gave clear instructions where to take His tithe. There is nothing in God’s Word to show that God ever changed those instructions. Therefore, the only conclusion I can reach is that taking a tithe to your local church is NOT paying the tithe to God. It is giving it to man. Nowhere in God’s Word does He give permission for the Christian Church to receive His tithe. Matthew 5:17-18 states Christ came to fulfill the law and not abolish it. This is where some education in law is useful. What does fulfill mean? What does abolish mean? Let me give an example. A legal contract is enforceable under the law. Let’s say you hire a contractor to build a swimming pool in your back yard. Once the contractor has completed the job, and everything in that contract has been completed, the contract has been fulfilled. The contractor’s job is to fulfill the contract, not abolish it. He fulfills it by completing the terms, bringing it to an end. Consider: Hebrews 8:13 (KJV) - In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Colossians 2:14 (KJV) - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Galatians 5:18 (KJV) - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Galatians 3:19 (KJV) - Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. In other words, until Jesus came and fulfilled the law. Galatians 3:23-25 (KJV) 23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 3:10-14 (KJV) 10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Many say that in Biblical times they didn’t have money and that the economy was based on bartering of goods and services. That is not so. The Bible shows they not only had money, but that money was used as a common way of doing business. According to the International Bible Encyclopedia, the days of mere bartering ended before the days of Abraham. Here are just a few examples from The Word to show they did, in fact, use money in Biblical times. The tithing law itself proves they had both money and a marketing system for buying and selling their crops and animals (Deuteronomy 14:24-26). THE PURCHASE OF LAND WITH MONEY BY ABRAHAM - Genesis 23:15-16 THE PURCHASE OF LAND WITH MONEY BY JACOB - Genesis 33:19 JOSEPH WAS SOLD TO THE ISHMEELITES FOR MONEY - Genesis 37:28 A MONEY OFFERING TO BE USED FOR THE SERVICE OF THE TABERNACLE - Exodus 30:14-16, USING SHEKEL OF SILVER TO VALUE A RAM - Leviticus 5:15 THE FOLLOWING VERSES REFER TO WAGES: Genesis 29:15, Genesis 30:28, Genesis 31:7-8, Genesis 31:41, Exodus 2:9, Leviticus 19:13, Malachi 3:5, etc. THEY HAD A MONEY STANDARD There are several places in Scripture indicating that scales were used to weigh metals and other items. The Law of Moses, for example, commands Jews not to use dishonest standards, but instead, to use honest scales and honest weights. (See also Deut. 25:13-15; Job 6:2-3; 31:6; Psa. 62:9; Prov. 11:1; 16:11; 20:10, 23; Isa. 40:12; 46:6; and Jer. 32:10). Leviticus 19:35-36 – Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah and an honest hin. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. In order for money to be an exchangeable equivalent for other commodities in today’s society, there must be a standard in place. Likewise, the Old Testament also had a set standard both prior to the law and during the law. A reference to a pre-law standard is in Genesis 23:16. Merchants in biblical times traveled from place to place conducting business. According to the written law, the standard weight for metals was set according to the sanctuary shekel (See also Ex 30:13, 24; 38:24-26; Lev. 5:15; Num. 7:13-86; 18:16). Leviticus 27:25 – Every value is to be set according to the sanctuary shekel, … In addition, 2 Samuel 14:26 shows that the weight standard for the shekel was set by the royal standard. No matter which era in history is studied, there existed a standard for the weight of precious metals. Money was also used throughout the law. For example, God’s people gave money to support the tabernacle (Ex. 30:14-16; 38:24-31). There are many other examples that illustrate money’s place within the written law and indicate that money was indeed a part of everyday life. Exodus 35 provides such an example. Exodus 35:5, 21-22 – From what you have, take an offering for the LORD. Everyone who is willing is to bring to the LORD an offering of gold, silver and bronze; And there are many more examples to show that money was used for everyday transactions well before the Levitical tithe. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by garyarnold(m): 4:32pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Tithing opponents throughout the years as compiled by Dr. David Croteau, Liberty University, You Mean I Don’t Have to Tithe?, p271-292. Clement of Rome 100 Didache 100 Justin Martyr 165 Tertullian 230 Origen 255 Cyprian 258 Waldenses 1150+- Thomas Aquinas 1275 John Wycliff 1384 John Huss 1415 German Peasants 1520 Anabaptists 1525 Erasmus 1536 Otto Brumfels 1534 Martin Luther 1546 Philip Melanchthon 1560 Separatists Amsterdam 1603 John Smythe 1609 Baptist John Robinson 1610 English Parliament 1650+- Puritans & Plgrims Mass 1650+- John Cotton 1652 Puritan Roger Williams 1636 Baptist Little Parliament 1653 Oliver Cromwell 1658 John Milton 1658 Puritan Particular Baptists 1660 John Owen 1680 Baptist Francis Turretin 1687 John Bunyan 1688 Baptist Quakers 1768 John Gill 1771 Baptist John Wesley 1791 BAPTISTS IN AMERICA 1800s Adam Clarke 1832 Baptist Charles Buck 1833 J C Philpot 1835 Baptist Charles H Spurgeon 1832 Baptist Parsons Cooke 1850 Samuel Harris 1850 Edward A Lawrence 1850 John Peter Lange 1876 Henry William Clark 1891 Engllish S H Kellogg 1891 G Campbell Morgan 1898 Congregational Albert Vail 1913 Baptist Frank Fox 1913 David MaConaughy 1918 Episcopal William Pettingill 1932 John Harvey Grime 1934 Baptist John T Mueller 1934 Lutheran H E Dana 1937 Bapt Historian R C H LENSKI 1946 Lutheran Lewis Sperry Chafer 1948 DTS Foundeer W E Vine 1949 James F Rand 1953 Francis Pieper 1953 Lutheran Ray Stedman 1951 L L McR 1955 Catholic Paul Leonard Stagg 1958 Baptist Hiley H Ward 1958 Baptist Roy T Cowles 1958 Elizabeth P Tilton 1958 R C Rein 1958 Lutheran Robert A Baker 1959 Bapt Historian Wick Bromall 1960 John Byron Evans 1960 Norman Tenpas 1967 James Edward Anderson 1967 Alfred Martin 1968 CHARLES C RYRIE 1969 DTS Jerry Horner 1972 S Baptist Pieter Verhoef 1974 Dennis Wretlind 1975 Jack J Peterson 1978 Pres Donald Kraybill 1978 Jon Zens 1979 Baptist Richard Cunningham 1979 S Bapt Gary Frieson 1980 JOHN MACARTHUR 1982-2000 Paul Fink 1982 George Monroe Castillo 1982 Tony Badillo 1984 James M Boice 1986 Michael E Oliver 1986 Rest W Clyde Tilley 1987 Scott Collier 1987 Ronald M Campbell 1987 R E O White 1988 William McDonald 1989 Charles Swindoll 1990 Dallas Seminary Rhodes Thompson 1990 J VERNON MCGEE 1999 Jerome Smith 1992 CRAIG BLOMBERG 1993 Denver Seminary J Duncan M Derrett 1993 Walter Kaiser Jr 1994 Gordon-Cromwell Moises Silva 1994 Benny D Prince 1995 Brian K Morley 1996 Linda L Belleville 1996 Ron Rhodes 1997 Ernest L Martin 1997 Michael Webb 1998 R Johnston 1999 Mark Snoeberger 2000 Baptist Stuart Murray 2000 Eng George W Greene 2000 Old Line Primitive Baptists 2000 Jaime Cardinal Sin 2000 Cath Archbishop RUSSELL EARL KELLY 2001 Baptist Jonathan Kitchcart 2001 Frank Viola 2002 George Barna 2002 Michael Morrison 2002 Elliott Miller 2003 Matthew Narramore 2004 David Alan Black 2004 Baptist SEBTS Andreas Kostenberger 2007 Baptist SEBTS Danny Akin 2007 Baptist SEBTS Mark Driscoll 2008 Roman Catholic Church Jehovah’s Witnesses New Worldwide Church of God |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by agog: 4:33pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
yes in bible day, the means of exchange was basically farm produce. although money was also used as a means of paying one's tithe. But the truth is HOW DOES OUR TITHING ENRICH GOD AND OUR NOT TITHING IMPOVERSISH HIM ? Not in the slightest. It is for our own good as whoever complies attract eternal blessings on remaining 9/10. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by garyarnold(m): 4:34pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Proof that the tithe could not be from income. Study Numbers 18:27. IF the tithe could come from income, Numbers 18:27 serves no purpose. Let me explain. The Levites received the tithe as their inheritance, but also because they would work at the Temple. Therefore, what they received meets the definition of income. But nowhere in the scriptures does it say to tithe on income, or even how to tithe on income. Numbers 18:27 says the tenth of the tithe will be treated as though it were the crops (ASSETS). Let’s look at a few different Bible versions: Numbers 18:27 (KJV) 27And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. Numbers 18:27 (NASB) 27‘Your offering shall be reckoned to you as the grain from the threshing floor or the full produce from the wine vat. Numbers 18:27 (NIV) 27Your offering will be reckoned to you as grain from the threshing floor or juice from the winepress. Numbers 18:27 (NLT) 27The LORD will consider this to be your harvest offering, as though it were the first grain from your own threshing floor or wine from your own winepress. Numbers 18:27 (TLB) 27The Lord will consider this as your first-of-the-harvest offering to him of grain and wine, as though it were from your own property. IF income could be tithed on, the scriptures would have to tell us HOW to figure our income. It would have to specify gross, net, adjusted gross, etc. It would have to be specific. But the scriptures give no clue as to how one would tithe on income. Would God command His children to tithe on income and not tell them how to do it? |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by femi4: 4:35pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Whenever money is being mentioned,they want to turn the scripture upside down.Its not by force that you should pay,but dont force your opinion on those that pay cos its between them and God.Likewise, whether the tithe is use judiciously or not is non of ur biz cos its between the pastors and their maker |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by garyarnold(m): 4:37pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
@agog The tithe was NEVER paid with money. Yet the Temple Tax, or tribute in the KJV, had to be paid with money. When Jesus was asked if the Hebrew law allowed for tribute to Rome (Matthew 22:17-18), He answered “Show me the tribute money. Whose image and superscription is on it?” (Matthew 22:19-20). Matthew 22:17-21 (KJV) 17Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19Show me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s. What was Jesus talking about? The answer relates to the nature of the Temple shekel and the money changers. Every Hebrew man, woman and child was required by the Old Covenant Law to pay an annual poll tax, or head tax, which was used to maintain the Temple and pay for sacrifices for the nation (Exodus 30:13). Exodus 30:13 (KJV) 13This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs  an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.It is extremely important to realize that the Temple shekel had only images of Temple items and Hebrew – both Holy. Roman currency was not allowed because it had the image of Caesar on it along with a Roman superscription in a pagan language. This must also apply to our own currency. It has images of our presidents, images of buildings, images of animals and images of our nature. Shocking as it is, our money does not qualify to be used as gifts to God or the OT Temple! The money-changers were “bankers” and probably “Levites”. Their tables were set up in the court of the Gentiles and not inside the Temple itself because the money brought to them could not enter the Temple. The money-changers exchanged legitimate Roman currency for lawful “Temple money.” This is common in many eastern religions even today. The money-changers charged an exchange rate which resulted in the worshippers receiving less “Temple money” than their real money was worth. Jesus was angry. Even though this occurred in the Court of the Gentiles which was outside the proper Temple grounds, it was still too near the Temple. Jesus wanted a buffer zone between defiled pagan money with images on it and the HOLY Temple grounds. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by garyarnold(m): 4:40pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-34. NO ONE has a right to change His definition. Church leaders CHANGED God's definition to include money in the 1800's in the United State of America. It is here in the US that all this false teaching started. This is documented in many history books. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by coogar: 5:01pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
femi4: don't mind the hypocrites. . . . . .and yet we sometimes wonder why nigeria has remained stagnant for decades. . . . pay your tithe and stop thinking about what it's being done with it. i do not care if my tithe fuels the pastor's fleet of cars. i have done my share - whatever happens to my tithe is no longer my worry - it's the pastor's burden. no one is forcing anyone to pay tithes - if you don't feel like it. . .take your money to viewing centres and whorehouses and do whatever pleases you with it - but don't force your satanic opinion on others. in my opinion, i think religious houses should have a pact with the state/federal government. religious houses play a role in the society. they form a substantial factor in the mental, cultural, educational and social infrastructure of the community. they foster value consciousness and offers a condition for a democratic state which the state itself cannot provide. for instance, the church forms an investment in ethical values, sense of life and peace. it is only fair if these religious houses are financed by taxes. i believe there should be a church tax in nigeria for all christians. maybe by then, people will no longer take tithing for granted! |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by boss1310(m): 5:16pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
most churches of nowadays are there are for the money but whatever a man does let him have it in mind that he is doing it for the lord and not for the church or pastor |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Dozzy3(m): 5:21pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Just on the flip side In numerous occasions when Jesus was preaching to a multitude, don't you ever notice that he will ask a disciple what should they do for the hungry crowd? How come it didn't occur to any of his disciples to collect tithe and buy food for them? Miracle pass miracle!!! 10 commandments sef no say "Thou shall pay your tithe" Then how do you calculate income, at least if it is food a tenth is easily solved ( if u get 10 bags of Dangote rice give God one bag abi?) God is very precise when he gives dimensions in any unit - read your bible he is clear about that. Which brings me to the question; Do you give him a tenth of your Gross or your net ( That na if na salary oh!) or you remove tax, transport or housing or other bills like nepa, water e.t.c once it falls short or over a tenth then na problem be that oh (Read the last verse of Revelations). Just wondering; will offering your tithe make u go to heaven, or like wise if you don't. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by KAYD007(m): 5:24pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
@ cooger If we cannot frown at what the pastors seems to do with the tithes, why are you fervently one of those that would condemn our politicians when they misapplied or misappropriate public funds in their care? Who is the hypocrite here? damit |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by hbrednic: 5:27pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
the pastors has decieved the gullibles for too long,now the truth must be told. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by coogar: 5:38pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
KAYD007: because your so called politicians are not your creator. how can you compare a commandment written in the bible to what your frog-eyed politicians do with your money? what are your tithes supposed to do? what are the functions of your government? put them side by side and tell me you are not the hypocrite comparing the role of your government to the role of your pastor. . . . the tithes are meant to take care of the church and the elders of the church(and they are well taken care of) your government is supposed to take care of you, your roads, basic amenities, etc(are you well fed? do you have good roads, basic amenities, etc)? can you now see you are the hypocrite comparing a liquid crystal display television to a cathode ray tube television? |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by nlMediator: 5:39pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
coogar: I think you’re the one writing out of ignorance. You have no basis for your claim that it is only in Nigeria that Christians complain about tithing. How many countries have you been to and how many materials have you read about Christians in other countries? In the US, for instance, only a small portion – roughly 6% - of American Christians pay their tithes. Everybody should feel free to pay their tithes. But basing tithing on false premises or inaccurate claims does nobody any good. For those interested in statistics on tithing in America, this link may help. http://library.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=28&page=223 |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by garyarnold(m): 5:41pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
Here are some similarities between a tax and the tithe: Tithe - paid by those who inherited the promised land. Inheritance or Estate tax - paid from the estate or inheritance. Tithe - ONLY on property owners. Property tax - ONLY on property owners. Tithe - used to run the theocracy. Income tax - used to run the government. Tithe - doesn't apply to the poor. Luxury tax - doesn't apply to the poor. Tithing can also be compared to sharecropping. Tithing was always taxation so that the programs of the government could run: the priestly program, the national religious program, and the welfare program. Taken from God’s Plan for Giving, John MacArthur, Moody Press, 1985, page 76. God placed all of these verses in our Bibles to remind us that Levites were public officials of the state and tithes were included as state-taxation to support them. Taken from Should the Church Teach Tithing, Russell E. Kelly, Ph.D., page 70. Even the Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judaica, agrees that tithes were political taxes. Taken from Should the Church Teach Tithing, Russell E. Kelly, Ph.D., page 71. See also William Hendriksen and Simon J. Kistemaker, New Testament Commentary: Exposition of Thessalonians, the Pastorals, and Hebrews (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1995), 187, for support of the relationship between taxes and tithing. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by dare2think: 5:48pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
coogar: How is their opinion satanic?.(Just because it is different from yours). You sound very bigoted. So, if your Pastor is evidently squandering the congregation funds people should turn a blind eye and leave him to God? And you wonder why Nigeria is in this state? If you dont' fight corruption (even in Churches), you think God will come down and do it for you? When was the Last time God came down to fight Human battles for them ? |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by coogar: 5:48pm On Aug 01, 2011 |
nlMediator: and i think you are the ignoramus with the poorest comprehension skill on this planet. . . . . it's one thing not to tithe - as a result of not having or not even interested in going to church. . . . .it's another thing to come on a forum and start complaining. there's a universe of difference between the 2 categories but i know your comprehension skill is so poor to grasp this. that only 6% of american christians pay their tithes do not mean the other 94% complain like rhesus monkeys - something you are obviously doing here. a pastor leaves his job full-time to teach you the morals and the value of life and you think it should be free services? and the moronic link you posted is just a collection of all articles related to tithing. i have not seen where anyone has accused any pastor of stealing church funds to enrich himself like you are doing on these pages. these days, i always take my time to debate with intellectuals. . . .not touts with poor comprehension skill who cannot discern the simple difference between not tithing and moaning like a slave about pastors who cruise chelsea tractors. dare2think: please shut up with your bigotry nonsense.
evidently? you are an auditor and you looked into your pastor's account to notice the misappropriation of funds? the tithes belong to the welfare of the pastor and the church. do not think you are entitled to a lexus jeep from the tithes because your pastor drives one from the tithes. |
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