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Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 12:51pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Jonathan Fires Adviser on Counterterrorism 05 Sep 2011 President Goodluck Jonathan has quietly fired his Coordinator on Counterterrorism, Ambassador Zakari Ibrahim, following the spate of bombings in the country. http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/jonathan-fires-adviser-on-counterterrorism/97824/ |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by blacksta(m): 1:00pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
about 1000 deaths late |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 1:04pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
^^^ How about better late, than never! |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by blacksta(m): 1:18pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB: According to your logic - 1000 deaths is an acceptable collateral damage. Maybe if you had family members included in the figure - then your tone might be different |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 1:28pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
blacksta: According to your logic, once your reach the 1000 deaths level. Fold your arms! |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by lagcity(m): 3:04pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB: nice one! |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by LoveKing(m): 3:24pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
the president should start with himself. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by 9jawear(m): 3:30pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
A successful president inspires his subordinates to perform, the lackluster performance of his adviser is just a reflection of what the Stae of leadership in the country is |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Kobojunkie: 3:34pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB: Not really . . remember his first post was . . . blacksta: . . . . meaning this should have been done before the death of the 1000. Your interpretation above does not work at all! |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 3:36pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: True, and remember my initial post! PointB: |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by nagoma(m): 3:37pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Nigerians only know Azazi as NSA, and he is still there. No guts, no change, no hope. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Kobojunkie: 3:39pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB: I saw that but his explanation of what that potentially meant, especially in this case, is sort of apt. Too many lives have been lost due to obvious incompetence on the part of our security personnel, in this. nagoma: I am not shouting 'hooray!' either. This is only an adviser that got fired and not much else since they have no power to change much of what is going on. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by sirjec(m): 3:49pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
My friends, there is always a starting point. It's a pity we are not proactive in this country otherwise we can see a lot of loopholes in our security people can explore yet we will never block it. How long has people been missing, Kidnapped, etc. Yet they pass through police checkpoints with N20 and police could not solve it up till now. Today Bombs are passing and we are shouting security security. We never had security in this country. We just have thieves in police uniforms. Unless we restructure our security systems and give tasks and targets to officers, hold them responsible for failing to deliver, sorry we are just starting. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 3:52pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: I wont be quick to blame the lost of lives solely on incompetence on part of the FG. The security challenge posed by Boko Haram is quiet complex, that no silver bullet can fix it. The problem need to be clearly understood before being tackled. While the loss of live is very sad, condemnable, and even abominable, no one can really claim they are preventable. That said, firing the Adviser on Counter terrorism in my opinion is symbolic; I doubt if it will stop the menace, Fight against terrorism is a battle for hearts and minds as much as it is physical. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Johnpaul2k2(m): 3:58pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
ok nah |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by KayDee4: 3:58pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
OK, so what's the next step ? Who's next to go ? Who's in charge of the Police ? ? |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Kobojunkie: 4:01pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB:I will! PointB:Boko Haram was practically an unknown group this time last year. However, due to the security vacuum in the country, which still prevails to this day, the group has been allowed to develop to the menace it is today, and I dare to say it is too late to expect this problem will go away anytime soon. I even expect more terrorist groups to rise if the current situation continues. PointB: When it comes to Nigeria, I think symbolic gestures counts for zilch. I prefer full meaningful action. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 4:18pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. Now what do you propose? How will you carry on supposing you were the president? What meaningful action will you deploy? How will you prevent another loss of live, and rid the country of Boko Haram. In what timeline? |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Kobojunkie: 4:26pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB: I don't sit supposing I am the president. I don't engage in such. Plus, why should I propose meaningful action when someone, who pretended to have the answers, got the job. So why ask me? Why not ask the person whom you hired what he intends to do about SOLVING THE PROBLEM? You should have asked him that last year since this whole debacle started about this time last two years, and we had all of last year to work aggressively to stop this from escalating to the point it has gotten today. Ask him what he has really done to develop the country security-wise, since his first year in office. It is clear to any person out there that our police force remains a gang for incompetent agbero's with badges. Why hasn't any of that changed? Ask him What was done to UPROOT this menace, among others, back during his first year. What failed? What is being done now to make sure this does not go any further? These are some of the questions we ought to direct at the right authorities, not some random individual on the web, who expressed his solid view and opinion on what we have all witnessed,over the past couple of years, in that country. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by goggs(m): 4:28pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
*yawn* When the big heads roll wake me up. *rolls over and goes back to sleep* |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Johndoe100(m): 4:37pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
People, lets give GEJ the chance and space he needs to do his job. He has started the process and he will finish it. The governor of bornu state has equally identified the joblessnes/ hopelesnes of his people as a factor in the apeal of BH to his people. He says he has started or is about to start a program to address this. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Thatdave(m): 4:51pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie:Lack of quality education in some interior parts of Nigeria has robbd some people of daily common sense! Look at someone critisizing his own president yet not being able to see himself as a president and profer a solution accordingly! This is Political autisim! |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 4:59pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: In other words, you are clueless? |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by blacksta(m): 5:00pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Thatdave: Please tell us what the proposed solutions on NL will achieve in a country where sensitive positions are dashed out based on padi padi arrangements rather than merit - Why engage in fruitless agendas - Seriously i dont see the point - Let those in security positions propose solutions |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Kobojunkie: 5:03pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB: If you need it to mean that to you, I am good!! I on the other-hand do not see how engaging in the same FUTILE nonsense we have so conveniently pacified ourselves with, for the past 12 years, will help anyone, even your person. I would however, appreciate it if you would direct your questions to the right authorities, you know, those whom you already HIRED to do the job for you, next time. Maybe before you hire them, make sure they have the ACTION PLANS NECESSARY to handle EXISTING cases effectively, so you will not need to consult CLUELESS random people online for answers. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 5:03pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Thatdave: |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by KayDee4: 5:03pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Thatdave: Easy with the venom man, he's a she. I think she answered the question somehow indirectly (see bolded part of her comment). Kobojunkie: While Mr president cannot carry guns and patrol the streets in the name of law enforcement, the least he can do is to ensure that people who run these organizations are competent people that are held accountable for failures in their department; that, he hasnt done. The entire Police force is in dire need of a total overhaul and security personell need proper and serious training. That will be a good place to start. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 5:06pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: I should direct my question to the right authorities, while you direct your frustrations to who exactly - Nairalanders? This surely say so much for the quality of intellect you assume. |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Kobojunkie: 5:07pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
^^^ Yes, in a democracy, it is ABSOLUTELY wrong to direct your FRUSTRATIONS at the PEOPLE who happen to be the EMPLOYERS [/b]of those in power? Even though it says [b]Government BY PEOPLE, FOR the PEOPLE, it is intellectually silly to inform the people of your frustrations. I totally forgot that where Nigeria is involved, the rules must be turned on it's head for those like you to be happier with yourselves! |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 5:36pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: Not silly, intellectually lazy, not to be able to able to articulate what you think government should do to solve a problem, simply because you believe democracy will solve you problem. Keep passing your cluelessness and frustrations across, perhaps one day Nairaland will solve your problem. Better still why don't you try founding Association of Clueless Nairalanders (ACN) |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by Kobojunkie: 5:40pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
PointB: Yes, Silly!! PointB:Oh!! I see you have finally concluded here that I am unable to articulate what I think government shoul do to solve the problem. So, we are no longer clueless then? PointB:As expected, I see you are confusing CLUELESSNESS with inability with articulate one's view. Interesting how this is the way these conversations go. Rather than accepting the fact which is that I simply do not see reason to engage in such FUTILE acts, even though you clearly believe EVERYONE should, you instead chose to make 2 CONFLICTING conclusions on the case in order to, I don't know, insult me? You might want to try HARDER next time . . anyways, Go on soun! |
Re: Jonathan Fires Adviser On Counterterrorism by PointB: 5:54pm On Sep 05, 2011 |
^^^^ Your attempt to wrap this thread around yourself is childish, attention seeking, self serving, and downright silly (and that's putting it mildly). This thread is not about you and your intellectual ability (or lack of it). It is about GEJ sacking his counter terrorism adviser, and whether it has an effect or not on the boko haram menace. I am not in the mood for cyclic argument, so if you dont have anything tangible to say on the topic have your fun! |
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