Kukutenla:

The word Yoruba did not exist when Oduduwa and his princes were in Ife.
Besides that, the Yorubas fought so many wars among themselves from the 17th to 19th century and even Up to 21st century.

You would be shocked that the Yoruba Customs were so strong that if an indigene of an opposing town was living peacefully in a place even if there was war with his hometown he was still under the Protection of the Oba in whose Town he was living as long as he had not committed any act of Treason

The inter Tribal Wars among the Yoruba were the direct result of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and the Power it bestowed on some Warlords like Afonja who became Power Drunk as a result of it

walefresh3:
stop your emotional lies here .. we are not buying it.. what interest do igbos have in lekki toll gate ? Why must it be lekki toll gate...

Tinubu is not the commander in chief ... He is not in any POLITICAL post to call military.... Lekki toll gate is a planned POLITICAL hijacked zombidients protest...

Ipob and opposition are the major sponsors ..

What stoped Igbo from going to akwa to go and burn down Government infrastructures ?

See if obi don loose .. if Dem born una papa we'll make una stage protest again for any Southwest...

Your hatred toward Tinubu shettima presidency will not stop tinubu from winning....

The people wey I pity be minority Christian from the north wey no know say unaa no love them ..una just want use them get to power...

Obi naa confirm Igbo presidency...He doesn't represent nigeria and nigerians..

So your brothers that died in the toll gate are now igbos?? Those that protested dere are also igbos??The people that also sent the military to Kill them are also igbos??
But the same igbos don't hold any top position in the country

christistruth01:



You would be shocked that the Yoruba Customs were so strong that if an indigene of an opposing town was living peacefully in a place even if there was war with his hometown he was still under the Protection of the Oba in whose Town he was living as long as he had not committed any act of Treason

The inter Tribal Wars among the Yoruba were the direct result of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and the Power it bestowed on some Warlords like Afonja who became Power Drunk as a result of it

You're free to make wild claims. But it's obvious you're not a good student of history nor in tune with Yoruba customs and tradition
During warfare, most towns perform rituals to appease the gods using strangers. Besides that, there were particular festivals in certain places of which it was dangerous for strangers to move around.
Lastly, the transatlantic slave trade had nothing to do with inter-tribal wars because even last year, the Offa vs Erin-ile crisis rared its head. I hope you won't blame it on neocolonialism
Afonja was involved with the fulani caliphate and not the trading of slaves with Europeans

christistruth01:



In those days they were called Ife People today they are known as the Yorubas

It is still the same People

True. But the whole expanse of land known as Yorubaland today did not exist then

Kukutenla:

True. But the whole expanse of land known as Yorubaland today did not exist then

Yorubaland reached the Accra Area of Ghana in the 17th Century if you consider the Benin Kingdom as Oduduwa Territory it reached River Niger in the West and River Niger in the North though Mokwa in Southern Niger State was once part of Yorubaland

The Yoruba and Nupes have a long History together
Some even Claim that one came out of the other

Christistruth00:


Yorubaland reached the Accra Area of Ghana in the 17th Century if you consider the Benin Kingdom as Oduduwa Territory it reached River Niger in the West and River Niger in the North though Mokwa in Southern Niger State was once part of Yorubaland

The Yoruba and Nupes have a long History together
Some even Claim that one came out of the other

Where are you getting these claims from
Accra, Yorubaland in 17th century? How? Any source for this?
Mokwa??
Who are those claiming Yoruba and Nupe split from one another?
I want to believe you're just kidding

Kukutenla:

Where are you getting these claims from
Accra, Yorubaland in 17th century? How? Any source for this?
Mokwa??
Who are those claiming Yoruba and Nupe split from one another?
I want to believe you're just kidding

Clapperton

And in Yoruba Culture the Nupe whom they call Tapa are recognised as brethren of the Yoruba

For example Balogun Oshodi of Lagos was a Tapa


Also Alaafin Sango the third Alaafin and Son of Oranmiyan had a Nupe Princess Mother and was raised in his Nupe Grandfather"s Royal court from where he was fetched by the People of Oyo to become the Alaafin

Christistruth00:


Clapperton

And in Yoruba Culture the Nupe whom they call Tapa are recognised as brethren of the Yoruba

For example Balogun Oshodi of Lagos was a Tapa


Also Alaafin Sango the third Alaafin and Son of Oranmiyan had a Nupe Princess Mother and was raised in his Nupe Grandfather"s Royal court from where he was fetched by the People of Oyo to become the Alaafin

This particular tale has been debunked.
And I didn't see any of your claims there which are:
Yorubaland reached Accra
Nope and Yoruba share common ancestry
Yorubaland reached Mokwa

Kukutenla:

This particular tale has been debunked.
And I didn't see any of your claims there which are:
Yorubaland reached Accra
Nope and Yoruba share common ancestry
Yorubaland reached Mokwa

It is True that Yorubaland reached Ghana the Coastal Area where Accra is

The Yoruba Oyo defeated the Ashanti of Ghana and the Battle of Atakpame in the 17th Century

Kindly go to Mokwa and ask if they were not once under Oyo in ancient times

Till today many Mokwa indigenes are still fluent in Yoruba

Christistruth00:



It is True that Yorubaland reached Ghana the Coastal Area where Accra is

The Yoruba Oyo defeated the Ashanti of Ghana and the Battle of Atakpame in the 17th Century

Kindly go to Mokwa and ask if they were not once under Oyo in ancient times

Till today many Mokwa indigenes are still fluent in Yoruba

The battle of Atakpame occurred in Atakpame in Togo not Ghana. The Atakpame sought for the Oyo army's help as allies.
So it's fallacy to claim that imply Yoruba extended to Accra Ghana

Mokwa have never been under Oyo as far as history is concerned.
Even up to Bida, there are Nupes who speak Yoruba. Does that imply Bida was once under Yoruba?
The fact is Jebba is a Yoruba town and it is contiguous with Mokwa which is why you see so many Yoruba speakers in Mokwa

Kukutenla:

The battle of Atakpame occurred in Atakpame in Togo not Ghana. The Atakpame sought for the Oyo army's help as allies.
So it's fallacy to claim that imply Yoruba extended to Accra Ghana

Mokwa have never been under Oyo as far as history is concerned.
Even up to Bida, there are Nupes who speak Yoruba. Does that imply Bida was once under Yoruba?
The fact is Jebba is a Yoruba town and it is contiguous with Mokwa which is why you see so many Yoruba speakers in Mokwa

The Yoruba went there in Support of the Ewe who are a Tribe living in both Ghana and Togo and were under the Protection of the Alaafin of Oyo

That was the Battle that Secured their territories and place in Ghana and Togo

The Ewe are the brethren of the Eguns

Christistruth00:



The Yoruba went there in Support of the Ewe who are a Tribe living in both Ghana and Togo and were under the Protection of the Alaafin of Oyo

That was the Battle that Secured their territories and place in Ghana and Togo

For where?
Where is this coming from?
Who are Ewe and under which Yoruba subgroup are they?
Akpatame was a vassal town that rebelled against the Ashantene. They sought the help of the Dahomey kingdom not the Alaafin. You can argue that the Dahomey were subject to Alaafin but they were known to be largely autonomous subjects. That does not even imply at all that Yorubas were in Accra because as I said, Akpatame is in Togo

Kukutenla:

For where?
Where is this coming from?
Who are Ewe and under which Yoruba subgroup are they?
Akpatame was a vassal town that rebelled against the Ashantene. They sought the help of the Dahomey kingdom not the Alaafin. You can argue that the Dahomey were subject to Alaafin but they were known to be largely autonomous subjects. That does not even imply at all that Yorubas were in Accra because as I said, Akpatame is in Togo

Till today Atakpame is a Yoruba Town

The Ewe of Ghana and Togo were the subjects of the Alaafin of Oyo


It was in defence of the Ewe snd Ga that the Oyo Army defeated the Ashanti of Ghana


The Ewe Tribe migrated from Oyo and Ketu to Togo and Ghana under the Protection of the Alaafin of Oyo

As uneducated as our forefathers were they were not small Players in west African Geopolitics

Christistruth00:





Till today Atakpame is a Yoruba Town

The Ewe of Ghana and Togo were the subjects of the Alaafin of Oyo


It was in defence of the Ewe snd Ga that the Oyo Army defeated the Ashanti of Ghana

No one is in doubt that Atakpame is a Yoruba town but the inhabitants are known as Ana not Ewe. Atakpame is in Togo but hosted the battle.

The rebels in the Atakpame battle were the Akyem people not any Ewe and they were not Yorubas. They are Akan by tribe and only sought the help of the dahomey army to rebel against the Ashantene.
They are not Yorubas
As for the article you quote, it was last updated in 2007.
You'll agree that's a long time and not up to date
The Ewe Yoruba ancestry has been long debunked

Kukutenla:

No one is in doubt that Atakpame is a Yoruba town but the inhabitants are known as Ana not Ewe. Atakpame is in Togo but hosted the battle.

The rebels in the Atakpame battle were the Akyem people not any Ewe and they were not Yorubas. They are Akan by tribe and only sought the help of the dahomey army to rebel against the Ashantene.
They are not Yorubas

It is obvious you are getting your information from Wikipedia which anyone can edit with any nonsense they like


Kindly tell me who the Akyem people were if you think you know the History?

By the way the Ewe Egun and Ga are all Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry occupying Benin Republic,Togo and South west Coastal Ghana

They were under the Protection of the Alaafin of Oyo and were in the Oyo Army at Atakpame

Kukutenla:

No one is in doubt that Atakpame is a Yoruba town but the inhabitants are known as Ana not Ewe. Atakpame is in Togo but hosted the battle.

The rebels in the Atakpame battle were the Akyem people not any Ewe and they were not Yorubas. They are Akan by tribe and only sought the help of the dahomey army to rebel against the Ashantene.
They are not Yorubas
As for the article you quote, it was last updated in 2007.
You'll agree that's a long time and not up to date
The Ewe Yoruba ancestry has been long debunked

Your understanding of the History is so paltry and disjointed that i wonder if it is even worth discussing the details with you

The Ewe are Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry and were part of the Oyo Empire

The Ana are Yorubas also of the Oyo Empire

The fact that an Britannia Encyclopedia article Entry was updated last in 2007 doesn't invalidate the Historical events or facts

The Akyem and the Ewe were at War with Ashanti

The Oyo Army represented the Ewe and had Ewes and Yoruba fighting together in it against the Ashanti

The Oyo call the Ewe, Egun as well and the Ewe still acknowlede their Yoruba Ancestry they even still send their representatives to attend some of the ancient Ceremonies in Yorubaland

Christistruth00:





Your understanding of the History is so paltry and disjointed that i wonder if it is even worth discussing the details with you

The Ewe are Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry and were part of the Oyo Empire

The Ana are Yorubas also of the Oyo Empire

The fact that an Britannia Encyclopedia article Entry was updated last in 2007 doesn't invalidate the Historical events or facts

The Akyem and the Ewe were at War with Ashanti

The Oyo Army represented the Ewe and had Ewes and Yoruba fighting together in it against the Ashanti

The Oyo call the Ewe, Egun as well and the Ewe still acknowlede their Yoruba Ancestry

Nothing is disjointed. You claimed that Yorubaland extended to Accra which I rejected.
Ever since, you've not been able to produce any evidence to that effect.
Your attempt is to claim the Oyo Empire was involved in an expansionist war with the Ashanti Empire by which they gained foothold in Accra. Well, the war you're trying to refer to occurred in Akpatame, Togo not Accra. The contenders were the Akyem against the Ashanti. And not even the Ewe. You are presently making attempt to insert the Ewe into the war claiming they are Yorubas. The Yorubas acted more as mercenaries in the war not parties. Your case is like claiming Poles are Russians or Germans because both fought wars on their soil.
The Egun in Badagry have never been stable in their claim to being Yorubas. Their case is similar to that of the Binis.
Here's a screenshot showing the genesis of the war.
The next one is the inconsistencies in the claim of Ewe being Yorubas

Kukutenla:

Nothing is disjointed. You claimed that Yorubaland extended to Accra which I rejected.
Ever since, you've not been able to produce any evidence to that effect.
Your attempt is to claim the Oyo Empire was involved in an expansionist war with the Ashanti Empire by which they gained foothold in Accra. Well, the war you're trying to refer to occurred in Akpatame, Togo not Accra. The contenders were the Akyem against the Ashanti. And not even the Ewe. You are presently making attempt to insert the Ewe into the war claiming they are Yorubas. The Yorubas acted more as mercenaries in the war not parties. Your case is like claiming Poles are Russians or Germans because both fought wars on their soil.

The Egun in Badagry have never been stable in their claim to being Yorubas. Their case is similar to that of the Binis.
Here's a screenshot showing the genesis of the war.
The next one is the inconsistencies in the claim of Ewe being Yorubas

The Yorubas were definitely not Mercenaries but Nation Builders
Yorubaland under Basorun Gaa and Alaafin Abiodun included most of Benin Republic and Togo and South eastCoastal Ghana


The Crown on the head of the King of Badagry is an Ife Beaded Crown
Only Oduduwa dynasty Obas wear them

The Egun descended from the Olupopo who was the Son of Oduduwa


The Ashanti fought foot and nail to drive the Ewe and Ga off the Coast because at the time it was the Ewe and Ga that stood between the Ashanti and the Sea at the very same time the king of Dahomey was attacking them

It was the Alaafin of Oyo that had the backs of the Ewe and the Gaa and kept both the King of Dahomey and the Ashanti in Check

At the same time the Ashanti were attacking the Akyem who were also neigbours of the Ewe

Where ever you see Ewe people just know the Oyo Empire reached there

Christistruth00:



The Yorubas were definitely not Mercenaries but Nation Builders
Yorubaland under Basorun Gaa and Alaafin Abiodun included most of Benin Republic and Togo and South Coastal Ghana


The Crown on the head of the King of Badagry is an Ife Beaded Crown
Only Oduduwa dynasty Obas wear them

The Egun descended from the Olupopo who was the Son of Oduduwa


The Ashanti fought foot and nail to drive the Ewe and Ga off the Coast because at the time it was the Ewe and Ga that stood between the Ashanti and the Sea at the very same time the king of Dahomey was attacking them

It was the Alaafin of Oyo that had the backs of the Ewe and the Gaa and kept both the King of Dahomey and the Ashanti in Check

At the same time the Ashanti eere attacking the Akyem who were also neigbours of the Ewe

Being mercenaries does not negate being Nation builders. There's no exclusivity to both.
The Oyo Army once supported the Borgu people in wars against the Fulani. That does not mean Borgu was part of Yorubaland
Yorubaland was never unified under Basorun Gaa. Indeed, Yorubaland was never a fully united empire in pre-colonial times and it never reached Ghana. You keep making that claim and can't produce evidence to back it up except a war between the two sides that both were certainly not Yoruba. That of mokwa is also pending.

You're making another claim of access to the ocean when I already showed you that the cause of the conflict was the intent of the Akyem to stop paying royalties to the Ashantene.
The Dahomey was actually on the side of the Akyem during the Akpatame war

Kukutenla:

Being mercenaries does not negate being Nation builders. There's no exclusivity to both.
The Oyo Army once supported the Borgu people in wars against the Fulani. That does not mean Borgu was part of Yorubaland
Yorubaland was never unified under Basorun Gaa. Indeed, Yorubaland was never a fully united empire in pre-colonial times and it never reached Ghana. You keep making that claim and can't produce evidence to back it up except a war between the two sides that both were certainly not Yoruba. That of mokwa is also pending.

You're making another claim of access to the ocean when I already showed you that the cause of the conflict was the intent of the Akyem to stop paying royalties to the Ashantene.
The Dahomey was actually on the side of the Akyem during the Akpatame war

The Borgu and the Yorubas were relatives and allies

Yorubaland is different from the Oyo Empire which contained 75% of the Population of Yorubaland and was a part of Yorubaland

Oyo Empire was a united Empire until Afonja became power drunk at Ilorin

Making uo evidence ke?

Ok get the first available Ewe Person and ask them if they were not part of the Oyo Empire

That is evidence

You showed me a Wikipedia entry anyone can write any nonsense there

You didn't even know the relationship between the Akyem and the Ewe


Ok look at this

The Oyo Empire included States around the Volta River

The Volta is in Ghana, Ewe Tribe Territories


The Alaafin of Oyo was their Overlord
The

Mokwa was occupied by the Yoruba that is beyond contention

it was ring the Fulani Jihad that the Yoruba withdrew to the south of the River Niger for defensive purposes

Kukutenla:

Being mercenaries does not negate being Nation builders. There's no exclusivity to both.
The Oyo Army once supported the Borgu people in wars against the Fulani. That does not mean Borgu was part of Yorubaland
Yorubaland was never unified under Basorun Gaa. Indeed, Yorubaland was never a fully united empire in pre-colonial times and it never reached Ghana. You keep making that claim and can't produce evidence to back it up except a war between the two sides that both were certainly not Yoruba. That of mokwa is also pending.

You're making another claim of access to the ocean when I already showed you that the cause of the conflict was the intent of the Akyem to stop paying royalties to the Ashantene.
The Dahomey was actually on the side of the Akyem during the Akpatame war

Dahomey had no Choice it was already under Oyo during the Atakpame War

Christistruth00:


The Borgu and the Yorubas were relatives and allies

Yorubaland is different from the Oyo Empire which contained 75% of the Population of Yorubaland and was a part of Yorubaland

Oyo Empire was a united Empire until Afonja became power drunk at Ilorin

Making uo evidence ke?

Ok get the first available Ewe Person and ask them if they were not part of the Oyo Empire

That is evidence

You showed me a Wikipedia entry anyone can write any nonsense there

You didn't even know the relationship between the Akyem and the Ewe


Ok look at this

The Oyo Empire included States around the Volta River

The Volta is in Ghana, Ewe Tribe Territories


The Alaafin of Oyo was their Overlord
The

Mokwa was occupied by the Yoruba that is beyond contention

it was ring the Fulani Jihad that the Yoruba withdrew to the south of the River Niger for defensive purposes

How were Borgu and Yoruba relatives? Explain.

The Ewe were not Yoruba and did not identify as Yorubas then. The claim of Ewe being Yoruba came up much later and has been debunked as I've shown you. Seems you don't know how to use Wikipedia. It can be even more reliable than britannica especially if the article has citations which the one I posted does.

The Yoruba states around the Volta were not part of Oyo Empire though they weed Yoruba communities of traders. They were more or less settlers in those areas. The Alaafin Empire never reached the Volta River.

Show me when Mokwa was occupied by Yorubas.
I've been to mokwa severally and there are no signs of Yoruba civilization there to justify your claim

christistruth01:


Dahomey had no Choice it was already under Oyo during the Atakpame War

But Akyem people were not under Oyo

Kukutenla:


But Akyem people were not under Oyo

They lived to the East of the Ewe and were their allies against the formidable Ashanti

The Ewe dragged their Political and Military Godfather the Alaafin of Oyo into the War

The Ashanti were desperate to reach the Sea and the Ga ,Ewe and Akyem were already on the Coast

The Ga Ewe and Egun are the same People but like different Sub Clans

They are Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry

The Akyem and Ashanti were Original Akan People descended from the Ancient Ghana empire

They are usually Matrilineal in Lineage

While the Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry are Patrilineal and acquired the Akan Language from their Neighbours especially the Fon of Dahomey

But they still have their Oduduwa descended kings

christistruth01:


They lived to the East of the Ewe and were their allies against the formidable Ashanti

The Ewe dragged their Political and Military Godfather the Alaafin of Oyo into the War

The Ashanti were desperate to reach the Sea and the Ga ,Ewe and Akyem were already on the Coast

The Ga Ewe and Egun are the same People but like different Sub Clans

They are Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry

The Akyem and Ashanti were Original Akan People descended from the Ancient Ghana empire

They are usually Matrilineal in Lineage

While the Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry are Patrilineal and acquired the Akan Language from their Neighbours especially the Fon of Dahomey

But they still have their Oduduwa descended kings

You have been claiming Ewe were involved as contending parties in the war. May I ask what was their stake in the war. That of the Akyem is well known which is to stop the payment of royalties to the Ashantene. If the Ewe were under Oyo, then surely they couldn't have been paying taxes to Ashantene in the first place.

Akan are not of Yoruba Ancestry. Ewe and even Egun are just like the Bini when it comes to their Yoruba Ancestry. It is sometimes accepted and sometimes denied. Such inconsistencies make your claim untenable.

Akan are not Yorubas. It's something you've been claiming without evidence.

Kukutenla:

You have been claiming Ewe were involved as contending parties in the war. May I ask what was their stake in the war. That of the Akyem is well known which is to stop the payment of royalties to the Ashantene. If the Ewe were under Oyo, then surely they couldn't have been paying taxes to Ashantene in the first place.

Akan are not of Yoruba Ancestry. Ewe and even Egun are just like the Bini when it comes to their Yoruba Ancestry. It is sometimes accepted and sometimes denied. Such inconsistencies make your claim untenable.

Akan are not Yorubas. It's something you've been claiming without evidence.

The Ewe were fighting for their Survival and if the king of Dahomey had his way he would have shipped them all off into the Trans Atlantic Slave trade

Ewe were of Yoruba Ancestry but spoke the Akan language of the Ashanti Fon and Akyem who were real Akans

For example Fulanis speak Hausa but are not of Hausa Ancestry

The Ewe Ga and Egun spoke Akan language but were of Yoruba Ancestry

Many Benin People are of Yoruba Ancestry but speak Edo language

christistruth01:



The Ewe were fighting for their Survival and if the king of Dahomey had his way he would have shipped them all off into the Trans Atlantic Slave trade

Ewe were of Yoruba Ancestry but spoke the Akan language of the Ashanti Fon and Akyem who were real Akans

For example Fulanis speak Hausa but are not of Hausa Ancestry

The Ewe Ga and Egun spoke Akan language but were of Yoruba Ancestry

Many Benin People are of Yoruba Ancestry but speak Edo language

Survival from what? Dahomey was under Oyo so I don't understand by shipping Oyo people according to you off to slavery.

Benin people have said they are not Yorubas. Their late Oba said so. That's part of what I'm saying. You can't coopt people into a tribe they say they don't belong to.
Egun people claim not to be Yorubas too as well same with Ewe that I've shown you.