Dtruthspeaker:


A market woman gives you.

These ones take from you and run away or take from you and you have nothing (stealing)..

But I respect that it is your right to allow thieves steal from you.

In betting, there's a legal agreement between you and the betting company, which is stated in their terms and conditions.

In other words, you have agreed that if you lose your bet, you walk away with nothing. So there's nothing like stealing there.

Sin emanates from unfairness. When one steals from another, that's unfairness. You took away from someone without their permission or notice.

I am ardent Christian but I disagree based on ur reference. Ur first quote was that gambling is based on greed but that’s the target of all business man, to maximize profits. U also said that ur gain is another man’s loss, hell yea! In football or political positions, one man must step down for another to climb!
Pls, gambling is based on analyzing statistics and making us of information with time so shift. Just made cool thousands last night and this morning from what u call gambling, I call it business from the comfort of my house!

MaxInDHouse:

Thanks we believe the Bible is God's word!



Just as one man won the presidential election in Nigeria, shey?

Epic reply

Gambling and indecent dressing are two great sins that Christians engage in now.
It's quite unfortunate that church is silent on it.

Savechild23:
I am ardent Christian but I disagree based on ur reference. Ur first quote was that gambling is based on greed but that’s the target of all business man, to maximize profits. U also said that ur gain is another man’s loss, hell yea! In football or political positions, one man must step down for another to climb!
Pls, gambling is based on analyzing statistics and making us of information with time so shift. Just made cool thousands last night and this morning from what u call gambling, I call it business from the comfort of my house!

If I may ask, what is gambling? What is investment? What is business?

Aemmyjah:


If I may ask, what is gambling? What is investment? What is business?

I am not here to argue oga
I invest my resources in where my interest can yield maximum profit on real time! If u ain’t ready to make some risky financial move bro, u remain where u are or depreciate more so shift!

OKOSISIBF:
Okay but on the issue of gambling, I think if you're winning it's not a sin but once you can loosing it's a sin

How about we start by understanding what sin is.

Sin refers to direct disobedience of God's commandments or teachings in His Law. So, where God has given men only about 100 commandments and teachings in His Law, it means that there are about 100 laws that one is meant to obey or be found in transgression of should one disobey any of them. God makes clear in His Law what He wants us to do and what He wants us not to do. These terms and conditions contained in His Law — the agreements that define the relationship between God and man— are what define clearly for us what is a sin against God from what isn't.

Now, Jesus Christ is God's Law and agreement for us in the Kingdom of God, and nowhere in His Gospel which defines the terms and conditions of the agreement/contract we make with God is it indicated or even insinuated that gambling is sin. Anyone who tries to add it as sin does so against God who did not see fit to include it as sin against Him.

Is trading not gambling?

Savechild23:


I am not here to argue oga
I invest my resources in where my interest can yield maximum profit on real time! If u ain’t ready to make some risky financial move bro, u remain where u are or depreciate more so shift!

I understand you can't define these terms so you resort to insult
Maybe you were taught that gambling is synonymous with investment

immanuelsize:
@op jokanem, young man, i have questions for you, do you practice other things in the bible? Why must you preach about gambling? Don't you see other things to preach? Better mind the type of preaching and comparison you making with the bible. Na your dey carry bible for head yet, never practice it.
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admin, seun, just close this thread. It doesn't worth discussing.

Gambling us encouraged by greed according to what he said,

Buh he'd apply for VISA LOTTERY, he'd trade FOREX....
Some people sha...

Kobojunkie:
How about we start by understanding what sin is.

Sin refers to direct disobedience of God's commandments or teachings in His Law. So, where God has given men only about 100 commandments and teachings in His Law, it means that there are about 100 laws that one is meant to obey or be found in transgression of should one disobey any of them. God makes clear in His Law what He wants us to do and what He wants us not to do. These terms and conditions contained in His Law — the agreements that define the relationship between God and man— are what define clearly for us what is a sin against God from what isn't.

Now, Jesus Christ is God's Law and agreement for us in the Kingdom of God, and nowhere in His Gospel which defines the terms and conditions of the agreement/contract we make with God is it indicated or even insinuated that gambling is sin. Anyone who tries to add it as sin does so against God who did not see fit to include it as sin against Him.

Smoking is not a sin right?
Abortion?
Watching porn?

AZControversial:


In betting, there's a legal agreement between you and the betting company, which is stated in their terms and conditions.

In other words, you have agreed that if you lose your bet, you walk away with nothing. So there's nothing like stealing there.

Sin emanates from unfairness. When one steals from another, that's unfairness. You took away from someone without their permission or notice.

In other words you consent to theives stealing from you. That is ok because you are not entitled to any remedy.

But the offender is still guilty of stealing. Consent does not vitiate an offence.

Dtruthspeaker:


A market woman gives you.

These ones take from you and run away or take from you and you have nothing (stealing)..

But I respect that it is your right to allow thieves steal from you.

U funny

Jokanem:
Is Gambling a Sin?

Although the Bible does not discuss gambling in detail, we can discern from Bible principles that God views gambling as a sin.​—Ephesians 5:​17. a

Gambling is driven by greed, which God hates. (1 Corinthians 6:​9, 10; Ephesians 5:​3, 5)

Gamblers hope to gain money through the losses of others, but the Bible condemns coveting other people’s possessions.​—Exodus 20:17; Romans 7:7; 13:​9, 10.

Gambling, even for small amounts, can arouse a destructive love of money.​—1 Timothy 6:​9, 10.

Gamblers often rely on superstitions or luck. However, God views such beliefs as a form of idolatry, which is incompatible with his worship.​—Isaiah 65:11.

Rather than promote a desire to get something for nothing, the Bible encourages hard work. (Ecclesiastes 2:​24; Ephesians 4:​28) Those who follow the Bible’s advice can “eat food they themselves earn.”​—2 Thessalonians 3:​10, 12.

Gambling can arouse an unhealthy competitive spirit, which is disapproved in the Bible.​—Galatians 5:​26.

Gambling is not a sin, even the disciples of Jesus gambled when they wanted to decide who will replace Judas.
Go and verify.

The longest way to success is short cut. Not that you cannot gamble, but gambling encourages short cut. The scripture said "" Lord forgive us our trespasses " .. short cut! No matter how much you win , you'll always remain a poor man . So therefore, gambling goes against the commandments of God.

Dtruthspeaker:


In other words you consent to theives stealing from you. That is ok because you are not entitled to any remedy.

But the offender is still guilty of stealing. Consent does not vitiate an offence.

When there's an agreement, there's nothing like stealing sir. This kind of bet is called 'sweepstaking', in other words, the winner takes it all.

And you might want to look up the word 'stealing' for a reminder.

Don't be quick to call what isn't a sin, a sin.

MaxInDHouse:

Thanks we believe the Bible is God's word!


Christianity is preparing adherents for the kingdom of God where there won't be envy or anything promoting envy. If millions play (not work) for something and one person was given all the money invested into the game that means the person is lucky (from the viewpoint of unbelievers) the Bible calls the god of good luck "Mammon" Jesus said we can't worship Mammon along with God {Matthew 6:24} that is why true Christians stay away from Gambling!

Lemme share an experience
There's this family in our congregation. They are my favorite family. Very spiritual!
The wife was sharing an experience with me and I laughed will tears rolled down my cheek
She said her husband was seriously addicted to sports betting and he was still a Witness. She kept asking him to stop but he won't. She finally reported him to the elders and they talked to him. He couldn't stop. She kept reporting him again and again and she gave up reporting and took matters into her own hands
She would pick all the tickets and tears all of them. When he returns, he'd shout on his children in anger who did that. They said it is mummy. (And you know that Witness husbands dare not raise a finger on their wives). He just get angry and leaves expecting her to feel bad that he's hurt but she won't mind. He stopped booking during the day but at night. She said, she's very conscious of where she is and whenever he gets up from the bed, she'll wake up. He then stands up at night, look at the tickets carefully and check the scores on the phone but she pretends to sleep when he turns to face her. He then put the tickets in one of his shorts and then enters the toilet to pee, once he's in, she removes them and keeps in her pillow and continues sleeping.
When they wake up, the family pray and they start doing house chores. Initially, he seems lively but later, his facial expression change as of demons are slapping him. He won't eat or move, he's just angry. He stopped betting at home
She confronted him that the children are beginning to ask her what is in those papers and how he'll feel if he's preaching to someone and asks him why he bets
She prayed that the change congregation so that if he continues, she will tell the elders and since he's not familiar with them, he may have a change of mind. The man saw that he does not receive any assignments again in his congregation or had privileges but all his mates do (How will they give a gambler such) . He chose to leave with the family and they came to our congregation
After a while, she reported him to the elders and they talked to him. That was the last time he ever did betting. Thankfully, he serves as an elder in our congregation .
I laughed hard... Women can be crazy but they are truly gifts from God.

Aemmyjah:


I have people that have gone to the village to meet one man
Not really for sports bet (though I heard of such) but for lotto
Lemme ask, why do people go to mad Men to pick number for them? Some of them wins though. I stay at uyo. Is it that mad people are gifted with such knowledge? They don't usually give anything to them or even mention it.
Same with juju doctors. They claim to have made many to become millionaires or billionaires but you wont see any of them among the top 1 million richest in Nigeria
Nothing makes sense again
Betting does not attract me anyways

Yes,people claim some juju men makes them rich,but not with sportbet. I don't know of that lotto sha,and I have also heard of mad men giving people games.. Me never see korokoro sha. But you see this bet9ja or sportybet game,Juju no fit run am my brother..

AZControversial:


When there's an agreement, there's nothing like stealing sir. You might want to look up the word 'stealing' for a reminder.

Don't be quick to call what isn't a sin, a sin.

You are just repeating yourself because you can not counter. It is The Law "You can not consent to crime" or as I said "Consent does not vitiate an offence."

donkach:
Is trading not gambling?

Trading, Job hunting, even your education, your career, your relationships, and marriages, your having of children.... all of them are gambles you take in life hoping the odds play out in your favor. Of course, for many, it doesn't always play out well in any area but that doesn't stop us from playing the game of life any ways.

seanwilliam:


Gamble addict spotted

yes, i won't deny it. I'm a gambler and i do win from it. Just like yesterday, i used #1,700 and won #40,300. And i'm certain that i will win today again.

titusmichael27:
The longest way to success is short cut. Not that you cannot gamble, but gambling encourages short cut. The scripture said "" Lord forgive us our trespasses " .. short cut! No matter how much you win , you'll always remain a poor man . So therefore, gambling goes against the commandments of God.

Stop rambling!

You gamble each time you try to have a child with your wife. You go in expecting and hoping that the child will not come out with a birth defect. It is all a gamble really as no one is guaranteed a healthy baby but we all try our luck anyways. That is gambling! Basically, everything that is of this world and not of the Kingdom of God is a gamble. Even your marriage is also a gamble. you go in hoping that it will turn out great and bright but the probability that it will fail is there.

BigYash:
Yes,people claim some juju men makes them rich,but not with sportbet. I don't know of that lotto sha,and I have also heard of mad men giving people games.. Me never see korokoro sha. But you see this bet9ja or sportybet game,Juju no fit run am my brother..

I'm not sure but what you say makes sense
How then does juju make people win visa lottery?
Juju is no longer becoming something to shy away from but like an helper

Is investing in stocks a sin?

Starships4u:

Gambling us encouraged by greed according to what he said,
Buh he'd apply for VISA LOTTERY, he'd trade FOREX.... Some people sha...

some people like him are preaching what they don't practice.

MaxInDHouse:


Gambling is a crime from God's standpoint!

It promotes greed in the society all you need is thorough explanation to understand the matter, that is if you want to know.

Basically all businesses promote greed. Except if you're also saying having a business is a sin.

Dtruthspeaker:


You are just repeating yourself because you can not counter. It is The Law "You can not consent to crime" or as I said "Consent does not vitiate an offence."

You're the one who's choosing not to understand. What I've written is super clear.

You'll definitely call betting a crime or stealing because you don't know the meaning.

That doesn't still make it a crime though.

Aemmyjah:


I'm not sure but what you say makes sense
How then does juju make people win visa lottery?
Juju is no longer becoming something to shy away from but like an helper

Juju dey o,but when d repercussions start coming, e no dey sweet.The spirits that control these things don't joke o. These Yahoo boys dey use juju draw money nau,but the sacrifices involved, no be child's play.Some end of paying later with their lives. But for this sport bet,its just different.

Dollarseeker:
shaking my head for u.

As in, the weight of ignorance in that his post is massive.

Aemmyjah:


Sports betting is gambling and all forms of gambling is a sin cos it is fueled by greed to 'win' money but it is others people money you are pocketing. Many people use jazz to win and many people lives have become useless
If Jesus were alive today, will you see him and his disciples playing sports bet

I've never read a higher level of moonshine on this site since I joined. And this site has a high population of people readily available to spew bs on a regular basis. SMH.

AZControversial:


You're the one who's choosing not to understand. What I've written is super clear.

You'll definitely call betting a crime or stealing because you don't know the meaning.

That doesn't still make it a crime though.

Now you are trying to change the argument because you can not counter for you saw I understood it and you responded and now that you are not able to counter, you are trying to change the argument into another thing. E no go work!

Dtruthspeaker:


Company shares Ke? Pz, guiness, Coca-Cola, Wapco, Savannah Bank, Standard trust, ETB, Lever brothers etc I bet you were not born when these companies were reigning and how many Nigerians got anything from it? Only 2% of the population got their monies bsck I want to be liberal with the figure, the remaining 80% lost it all.

Which means if a person invests in a biz, and the biz doesn't work out, he has sinned? For the sake of all things sane pls don't say this is what you're insinuating.