mysticwarrior:
Even with this order most hospitals would still request for Police report before treating patients with gunshot wounds, this would be seen as applying precautive measures for their own safety.

With this publicly made available... Hospital risk closure or paying for damages.
Let them try it. Na sey we dey play for this country.

Public sensitization is needed on this oh! Cos we nor go carry Nairaland post go Hospital.

Nice hope they will hear and maintain it

We have lost my souls because of gunshots

If it is not on paper MR IG you are wasting your time.

You will say something online and a doctor will do same. It is still same you that will come after the doctor's head tomorrow asking for where the written order came from.

Write it down in black and white and sign so that hospitals will have a copy.
E no dey hard una to talk once camera is in front of you .
Write it in paper and sign.
Corrupt people.

JagabanB:

How does the police investigations and interrogations disrupt business?
Can u tell me?
Doctors and health workers simply choose to be irresponsible and they are not held accountable for it.
It's a law that a patient with gunshot wound must be treated, it's a law passed by the Senate and hospitals who reject such patients shall be dealth with according to the law.
The IGP issued a signed statement, "mere police statement" won't solve it, when one or two hospitals are dragged to the court and made to paid heavily for damages, doctors has their license withdrawn then the issue will be solved.
Most people in Nigeria get mistreated because they can't leverage on their rights.

Neither you nor GanagiBitrus is wrong following your back and forth! He is speaking from the obtainable realistic point of view while you are speaking from the idealistic view which you and I know isn't the obtainable.

Examples will suffice: one IG after another has made these boast whenever they assume office
A. Recalling all police personnel from VIPs and you know its just blowing hot air
B. Dismantling "illegal checkpoints" all over the country. How far with that?
C. The police have no right to check your phone. Lol yimu

You cant blame Nigerians who don't buy that statement when there are a litany of statements that don't involve life that don't pass a day or two of enforcement and then we are back to status quo

The Police needs to liase with the Nigerian Medical Association body to workout a working framework in such situations. This doctors are learned people who by their sworn oath are bound to save lives and if they do not in such situations, the questions should be why are they not. There should be an open conversation on grey areas of uderstanding between both bodies.

It is not about making statements because we have an unfortunate incident on our hands and then make more when another occurs or transferring litigation responsibility (like you are advocating) to ordinary Nigerians who won't take that route for obvious reasons!

Suing is medicine after death!!

GanagiBitrus:

If you think this problem will be solved by mere Police statement that hospitals should treat gunshot wounds, then you are not being realistic.

Maybe you start by asking yourself why hospitals are reluctant to treat such patients.

This is not about Police harassment -routine Police investigations & interrogations in such cases usually disrupt the hospital business.
This is the major concern Police has to address in issuing such statements, else it will likely not work out the way they envisaged.

People like you with this kind of reasoning and mentality is the reason this country will never witness any growth. In saner climes, first aid/treatment is given first. In USA, even if na police shoot you themselves and the intention was not to kill, if you're lucky not to die, the first line of action is how to safe your life.

JagabanB:

How does the police investigations and interrogations disrupt business?
Can u tell me?
Doctors and health workers simply choose to be irresponsible and they are not held accountable for it.
It's a law that a patient with gunshot wound must be treated, it's a law passed by the Senate and hospitals who reject such patients shall be dealth with according to the law.
The IGP issued a signed statement, "mere police statement" won't solve it, when one or two hospitals are dragged to the court and made to paid heavily for damages, doctors has their license withdrawn then the issue will be solved.
Most people in Nigeria get mistreated because they can't leverage on their rights.

You are looking at this from only one perspective.
Are you aware that admitting & treating an armed robber or a victim of assassins puts your life and those of other patients in danger, even if you reported to police.

GanagiBitrus:
This sounds good on paper, but imagine a scenario where a hospital attends to an armed robber.
The police investigations and interrogations that will take place in that hospital may likely disrupt business for them.

This is the major concern of hospitals that police have to address. Unless police can compensate such hospitals for any loss of business.

***
Imagine a hospital attending to an armed robber or victim of assassination attempt & then informing the police.

The other gang members or assassins may come to the hospital to rescue of finish him up.
Even if police starts guarding the place, that's not good for business.
Will you as a patient visit or remain in such hospital.

Great point bro, this is an angle for observation

VERY GOOD.

vikstandon:


With this publicly made available... Hospital risk closure or paying for damages.
Let them try it. Na sey we dey play for this country.

Orders were placed to stopped police men from stopping young boys on the road and checking their phones but they still do it openly, no be for this same country?

Kudos to IG, he's a man of integrity, I work with him and former IG.

lexylaw40:


https://dailypost.ng/2023/10/27/treat-all-gunshot-victims-without-police-report-igp-orders-health-workers/

Nice move

GanagiBitrus:
This sounds good on paper, but imagine a scenario where a hospital attends to an armed robber.
The police investigations and interrogations that will take place in that hospital may likely disrupt business for them.

This is the major concern of hospitals that police have to address. Unless police can compensate such hospitals for any loss of business.

***
Imagine a hospital attending to an armed robber or victim of assassination attempt & then informing the police.

The other gang members or assassins may come to the hospital to rescue of finish him up.
Even if police starts guarding the place, that's not good for business.
Will you as a patient visit or remain in such hospital.

how many persons does investigation?. One or two police can come in without uniform and still get the information they want.

JagabanB:

It's good to sound like u are siding with the hospital until u become a victim or someone close to u becomes a victim.
In Nigeria, we only complain when we are affected.
The police cañ't harrass a hospital.
But it's good u are making it an excuse now.

The police can't harass a hospital? Really?
I was a victim of a similar case. This time it was a stab victim, a man stabbed in the external carotid artery with a scissors by his girlfriend. They rushed him in by 11pm. Already he was bleeding out and already in decompensated shock. I did all I can but dude succumbed. By 7am police came to the hospital to arrest me. My crime? I didn't alert them of the case early enough. I told them I was the only doctor in the hospital on night duty and I couldn't have left all the very sick patients just to start looking for the nearest police station by 12am when I don't even know that area(the hospital is at Eleme and I live in Port Harcourt). All my pleas fell on deaf ears. I refused to follow them for the arrest. They said when they return they would come with armed mopol. They left. I hurriedly left after them. I didn't even hand over to the morning doc. By 9am the hospital Secretary called me that they came with armed cops to forcefully arrest me.
Now tell me if you are me what you would do the next time a stab or gunshot patient show up?
The problem is still the Nigerian police. Their low cadre staff harass and intimidate Hospital staff who treat these victims. They should ensure they themselves fully comply. NMA and Ministry of Health alerted them to these issues of harassment for them to look into it

They said this some times ago yet hospitals are but abiding by it, every institution are just doing anyhow for this country...

Any hospitals found doing this after what IGP said they should be fined, after all a criminal can be treated on cuffs ...

jaephoenix:

The police can't harass a hospital? Really?
I was a victim of a similar case. This time it was a stab victim, a man stabbed in the external carotid artery with a scissors by his girlfriend. They rushed him in by 11pm. Already he was bleeding out and already in decompensated shock. I did all I can but dude succumbed. By 7am police came to the hospital to arrest me. My crime? I didn't alert them of the case early enough. I told them I was the only doctor in the hospital on night duty and I couldn't have left all the very sick patients just to start looking for the nearest police station by 12am when I don't even know that area(the hospital is at Eleme and I live in Port Harcourt). All my pleas fell on deaf ears. I refused to follow them for the arrest. They said when they return they would come with armed mopol. They left. I hurriedly left after them. I didn't even hand over to the morning doc. By 9am the hospital Secretary called me that they came with armed cops to forcefully arrest me.
Now tell me if you are me what you would do the next time a stab or gunshot patient show up?
The problem is still the Nigerian police. Their low cadre staff harass and intimidate Hospital staff who treat these victims. They should ensure they themselves fully comply. NMA and Ministry of Health alerted them to these issues of harassment for them to look into it

So u work in a hospital that don't have any other staff apart from u the doctor on night duty?
U work in a hospital that can't reach out to the police station?
The big is, how did the police find out that you treated a patient that was stabbed by 7am?
The law is written that you should notify the police within 2 hours of treating a gunshot wound or stabbed patient, did u notify them?
There's a popular teaching by Confucius, it says "let the ruler rule as he should, let the minister be a minister as he should, let the father be a father as he should, let the son be a son as he should, only then will the social order be sustained".
The police force is fiIIed illiterates who thinks flexing muscles makes them important, I am not disputing that, the big question here is, did u behave the way u are supposed to behave?
If u contacted them within two hours, would they have the right to come and tell u anything?
If u had followed the time they came, would they have come back with armed police men?

GanagiBitrus:


You are looking at this from only one perspective.
Are you aware that admitting & treating an armed robber or a victim of assassins puts your life and those of other patients in danger, even if you reported to police.

You are looking at this from another perspective, are you also aware that u can reject a patient that's simply a victim of armed robbery and he can die?
I read a news where a young man was shot in the early hours of Thursday and University of Ibadan teaching hospital rejected him, on going round Ibadan that night, he died, that Saturday was supposed to be his wedding.
The law says a hospital should report stabbing and gun shot wound to the police within 2 hours of treatment.
I am also aware that criminals can invade a hospital especially if it was cult clash to disrupt the hospital, but does this mean innocent people should continue to die?

lexylaw40:


https://dailypost.ng/2023/10/27/treat-all-gunshot-victims-without-police-report-igp-orders-health-workers/

Exactly my thoughts

Rebelutionary:

Neither you nor GanagiBitrus is wrong following your back and forth! He is speaking from the obtainable realistic point of view while you are speaking from the idealistic view which you and I know isn't the obtainable.

Examples will suffice: one IG after another has made these boast whenever they assume office
A. Recalling all police personnel from VIPs and you know its just blowing hot air
B. Dismantling "illegal checkpoints" all over the country. How far with that?
C. The police have no right to check your phone. Lol yimu

You cant blame Nigerians who don't buy that statement when there are a litany of statements that don't involve life that don't pass a day or two of enforcement and then we are back to status quo

The Police needs to liase with the Nigerian Medical Association body to workout a working framework in such situations. This doctors are learned people who by their sworn oath are bound to save lives and if they do not in such situations, the questions should be why are they not. There should be an open conversation on grey areas of uderstanding between both bodies.

It is not about making statements because we have an unfortunate incident on our hands and then make more when another occurs or transferring litigation responsibility (like you are advocating) to ordinary Nigerians who won't take that route for obvious reasons!

Suing is medicine after death!!

Suing is medicine after death that will prevent another death.
This law has been passed by the Senate.
Medical doctors watched it on TV, they saw it, they know it, they are aware of it.
If they are learned, why waiting to be begged before enforcing it?
We look at it from this perspective, the immigration comptroller said passport is not more 20k or something of that nature I can't really remember the exact figure and he even went ahead to emphasize that any Nigerian who experiences otherwise should report, what did Nigerians say?
They don't have time for that, a society grows only when laws that are passed are followed by citizens.
Last year around October, I took a young man to the man hospital, thieves raided his apartment and stabbed him, the hospital didn't reject us, they treated him and we duly informed the police which came, asked us a few questions, checked out his house and documented it, they even investigated to check the thieves (although nothing came out of that investigation).
Medical personnels in Nigeria are highly irresponsible, that's a fact that we are not putting into consideration.
I was in the hospital last week, people were sitting to see doctors in consultation rooms, the doctors were just moving around pressing their phones, people were sitting and waiting and their files were held by nurse simply because according to the nurse, the numbers are not yet enough to split them to meet doctors.
U must have seen incidents where doctors turned down treating accident victims because they don't have a hospital card, in the case of a student because they don't have school ID on them and they will only start treatment when card is gotten or ID is brought.
U must have seen these scenario alot.
The law covers the medical personnel, there's no excuse for not treating patient, Nigerians don't leverage on what the law offers them.
That's why so many of these nonsense keeps happening.

Normally gunshots wounded victims should be treated and then reported to the police,the victim would be in critical condition… so getting a police report first before treating the victim is inhumane,very wrong.

JagabanB:

How does the police investigations and interrogations disrupt business?
Can u tell me?
Doctors and health workers simply choose to be irresponsible and they are not held accountable for it.
It's a law that a patient with gunshot wound must be treated, it's a law passed by the Senate and hospitals who reject such patients shall be dealth with according to the law.
The IGP issued a signed statement, "mere police statement" won't solve it, when one or two hospitals are dragged to the court and made to paid heavily for damages, doctors has their license withdrawn then the issue will be solved.
Most people in Nigeria get mistreated because they can't leverage on their rights.

Not in Nigeria

You cannot win this case if it involves a private hospital


Gunshot wounds should think of government hospital first. Hopefully they won't be on strike.

Shattuck:
this is not the first time the police has issued this kind of statement, the police needs to work on why this kind of order are hardly followed by its officers, and the hospitals,while these hospitals are inhumane for rejecting accident victims, they have a clarion call to serve and that call should supercede any police fear.

The issue here is not accident victims, it's stab and gunshot, it's good u are aware that hospitals reject accident victims too which basically doesn't involve the police.
This is a law passed by the Senate, a hospital not doing it is breaking the law and u are letting them get away.
Treat a gunshot wound or stabbed wound patient and report the incident within 2 hours to the police, with that, no police has any right to harass the hospital or doctor, everything is settled.
The reason why is because many medical personnels here don't want to be responsible.
I have been in a hospital where a patient injected with poison was in emergency ward, there's this drug the doctor was supposed to put in his drip, he kept it on his table and started pressing his system, I heard the nurse telling him that's the drug for the guy in emergency ward and casually replied that he knows and he continued handling with his device.
He knows if the guy dies, nothing will come out of it, that's exactly what they do during gunshot and stabbed wound.
A young lady died, do u know what killed her, a wrong operation was carried out on her so side effects started manifesting and she was struggling to heal, when the doctors came to do round ward checking, the mother complained and they replied her angrily that she should be happy her daughter is still alive, they booked her for operation, a correction operation and she died before the next day.
And the family took her for burial and case closed, if that doctor and hospital were hit with a law suit, they will change.

lexylaw40:


https://dailypost.ng/2023/10/27/treat-all-gunshot-victims-without-police-report-igp-orders-health-workers/

There should be a sign like poster in all hospital and station to remind them of this instruction.

lexylaw40:


https://dailypost.ng/2023/10/27/treat-all-gunshot-victims-without-police-report-igp-orders-health-workers/

A good one

Advancedman:


There should be a sign like poster in all hospital and station to remind them of this instruction.

Why should there be signs?

If there are no insecurities in the country, gunshot wounds won't be common.

Cmanforall:


Not in Nigeria

You cannot win this case if it involves a private hospital


Gunshot wounds should think of government hospital first. Hopefully they won't be on strike.

Maybe u don't have a good lawyer who knows his onions, hospitals private or public by law are mandated to treat patients who were stabbed or shot and alert the police, if u slam them with a law suit, u will win, they know u will be too scared to try that's why they keep doing it and getting away.

JagabanB:

Maybe u don't have a good lawyer who knows his onions, hospitals private or public by law are mandated to treat patients who were stabbed or shot and alert the police, if u slam them with a law suit, u will win, they know u will be too scared to try that's why they keep doing it and getting away.

Forget it. You will not win anything, especially from private hospitals.

Do you know their specialty?
You think because it is 'a hospital', then any case will be treated there? Do you know about their facilities?

I say again, go to government hospitals, especially if you are thinking of heading to court later, not privately, because you will lose.
What the private hospitals may do if they don't want to treat the gunshot patient is to refer to a government hospital (they give you a letter, and that is it). Then you have wasted your time there and if unfortunately something bad happens and you head to court, just tell me how you will win

I pray he sends the memo to all the health units across the Nation. It should be only a message on the internet.

GanagiBitrus:
This sounds good on paper, but imagine a scenario where a hospital attends to an armed robber.
The police investigations and interrogations that will take place in that hospital may likely disrupt business for them.

This is the major concern of hospitals that police have to address. Unless police can compensate such hospitals for any loss of business.

***
Imagine a hospital attending to an armed robber or victim of assassination attempt & then informing the police.

The other gang members or assassins may come to the hospital to rescue of finish him up.
Even if police starts guarding the place, that's not good for business.
Will you as a patient visit or remain in such hospital.

so gunshot victims shouldn't be treated? They should be left to die?

JagabanB:

How does the police investigations and interrogations disrupt business?
Can u tell me?
Doctors and health workers simply choose to be irresponsible and they are not held accountable for it.
It's a law that a patient with gunshot wound must be treated, it's a law passed by the Senate and hospitals who reject such patients shall be dealth with according to the law.
The IGP issued a signed statement, "mere police statement" won't solve it, when one or two hospitals are dragged to the court and made to paid heavily for damages, doctors has their license withdrawn then the issue will be solved.
Most people in Nigeria get mistreated because they can't leverage on their rights.

Its funny how an outsider that has zero knowledge of how hospital dynamics work insist he knows everything. I was threatened with arrest because I was late in reporting a stab case(not even gunshot). The police wanted me to leave the hospital by 12am in the night, and hunt down the nearest police station to report the case. Whether I'm the only doc around or there are unconscious cases on ventilators, is all irrelevant, or possible emergencies coming at that point as outpatient, are all irrelevant. Imagine if you are the hospital owner or a patient that came in an emergency, do you know the chaos this has caused?

JagabanB:

Suing is medicine after death that will prevent another death.
This law has been passed by the Senate.
Medical doctors watched it on TV, they saw it, they know it, they are aware of it.
If they are learned, why waiting to be begged before enforcing it?
We look at it from this perspective, the immigration comptroller said passport is not more 20k or something of that nature I can't really remember the exact figure and he even went ahead to emphasize that any Nigerian who experiences otherwise should report, what did Nigerians say?
They don't have time for that, a society grows only when laws that are passed are followed by citizens.
Last year around October, I took a young man to the man hospital, thieves raided his apartment and stabbed him, the hospital didn't reject us, they treated him and we duly informed the police which came, asked us a few questions, checked out his house and documented it, they even investigated to check the thieves (although nothing came out of that investigation).
Medical personnels in Nigeria are highly irresponsible, that's a fact that we are not putting into consideration.
I was in the hospital last week, people were sitting to see doctors in consultation rooms, the doctors were just moving around pressing their phones, people were sitting and waiting and their files were held by nurse simply because according to the nurse, the numbers are not yet enough to split them to meet doctors.
U must have seen incidents where doctors turned down treating accident victims because they don't have a hospital card, in the case of a student because they don't have school ID on them and they will only start treatment when card is gotten or ID is brought.
U must have seen these scenario alot.
The law covers the medical personnel, there's no excuse for not treating patient, Nigerians don't leverage on what the law offers them.
That's why so many of these nonsense keeps happening.

We can go on and on with this and you can choose to solely place the blame on citizens who in your estimation aren't applying the law to their circumstance which I don't completely agree with! That is choosing to see only one perspective in my humble opinion!

It is in this same couuntry that "bail is free" but you still pay for what is free! How many you wan sue biko? Should the police even make statements about not harrasing citizens? Isn't this a no-brainer? But does this still occur frequently?

The issue of medical personnel doing this or that is irrelevant in this case as you find this malaise manifest in every sphere of our polity! Your experience is an exception within the plethora of cases that have gone unheard of outside this unfortunate case!

Nigerians dont leverage the law because of obvious reasons and in such a case this conversation should be sorted by relevant bodies (Police and NMA) not dragging innocent citizens into it. An honest conversation on why hospitals even government hospitals will ask for police report in a case of a gunshot wound should be the focus and ironing out knotty issues should be expedient!

A person who goes to the hospital in an emergency doesn't go there to "follow up laws" that naturally should work if people who are saddled with responsibilities do what they are suppose to do. Is that what is obtainable in climes that work where the need to resort to self help in taking on legal action is usually an exception and not a rule?

The minister of interior made a statement about clearing backlogs of passports and we saw how he followed up vigoroulsy to see it to fruition if not his statement would have been just like any other. And you will be surprised if there isnt an intentional concretization of this move we will be back to status quo just like other "initial gragra" policies. Statements are statements unless enforced by bodies concerned and not passing the whole bulk to citizens who don't know any better.

This isn't the first time they are giving such order,those hospital won't listen