| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Lawly: 10:28pm On Mar 30 |
helinues:
West Bank, Gaza should be made two state solution? For what?
Reasonable number of those who have either been defending Israel or Palestine are religious people. You people should make your research outside what you used to believe about the Israel Palestine long time story.
Do you know how many generations of Palestine who have lived in IDP just because the Israel drove them out from their own land? Just like the the alabi goat 🐐 of a so called prophet and father of terrorists slaughtered the ancestors of the Jews from those lands and sacked them out of their ancestral lands and you demons decided all of a sudden it belongs to Palestinians who are not recorded in any history book. Well done demons. The world is not stupid. |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by chiagozien(m): 10:28pm On Mar 30 |
jazzman7711:
STUPID SLAVE.
DID PUTIN NOT RELEASE IMAGES FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD SHOWING THAT THE REAL JEWS, INCLUDING ‘JESUS’ WERE BLACK AFRICANS?
YET YOU ARE STILL HERE PLAYING HAPPY SLAVE TO WHITE SETTLER IMPOSTORS FROM POLAND, AUSTRIA, UK, GERMANY, HOLLAND, ETC CLAIMING TO BE HEBREWS!
ARE YOU PEOPLE CURSED TO BE BLIND AND IGNORANT?
DISGUSTING. So where is the real Jew today (black) I want to learn |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Lawly: 10:32pm On Mar 30 |
jazzman7711:
STUPID SLAVE.
DID PUTIN NOT RELEASE IMAGES FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD SHOWING THAT THE REAL JEWS, INCLUDING ‘JESUS’ WERE BLACK AFRICANS?
YET YOU ARE STILL HERE PLAYING HAPPY SLAVE TO WHITE SETTLER IMPOSTORS FROM POLAND, AUSTRIA, UK, GERMANY, HOLLAND, ETC CLAIMING TO BE HEBREWS!
ARE YOU PEOPLE CURSED TO BE BLIND AND IGNORANT?
DISGUSTING. Mumu. You are taking history lesson from politician that is very busy in propaganda war. If the ancient Jews were blacks, why is Jerusalem not in Africa? Why are Arabs not also blacks? Why is Quran confirming that Muhammed entered the Jewish lands and slaughtered them after they refused to convert to Islam? Or are you saying that Quran is a book of lies? 1 Like |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Lawly: 10:52pm On Mar 30 |
FiftyFifty:
Not true and I'll tell you why.
Palestinian people have been wrongly but deliberately accused of rejecting the two-state-solutiin (2SS). This is a lie. A pure, blatant lie repeatedly told to mislead the public. The devil in every deal is in the details...
The only Israeli PM who showed commitment to the 2SS was Yitzhak Rabin based on the 1993 Oslo Accord, and it was on that commitment that he got assassinated publicly by Yigal Amir, a jewish extremist in 1995.
The camp David Summit in the year 2000 came fairly close to creating a 2SS during Ehud Barak. It came crashing down when Barak warned the Americans that he could not accept giving the Palestinians more than a purely symbolic sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem. In total, Israel demanded that Palestine's territory in East Jerusalem be reduced to eight sections including six small enclaves. Palestinians objected to the lack of sovereignty and to the right of Israel to keep Jewish neighbourhoods that it built over the Green Line in East Jerusalem.
The Israel also wanted to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along the Palestinian-Jordanian border.
Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River.
One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management. Israeli control of water resources in the new (almost) Palestinian state, along with de facto Israeli control over borders and the total demilitarisation of the Palestinian state basically guarantees that Palestine would be an Israeli state.
Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote that Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram Al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept a 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.
Shlomo Ben-Ami, the then Israel's Minister of Foreign Relations who participated in the talks stated on Democracy now in 2006 that "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.
The Palestinians compromised quite a bit. They started by asking for a state based on pre 1967 borders. The Israelis rejected that, so they asked for borders based on 1967. The Israelis also rejected that, so they asked for complete control over the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis rejected that. And the same Palestinians are unjustly accused by people of rejecting the 2SS. (As recent as last week, Netanyahu publicly and boldly reiterated the Israel stance that the Palestinians shouldn't have a state, after Biden called for a 2SS).
These and more are all documented by even the Israeli media such as the Haretz and by many Israeli authors such as Uri Avnery, Dan Cohen, and Ilan Pappe, among others. Stop vomiting rubbish and deceiving your fellow religious terrorists. The conflict between Israel and Palestine has a long and complex history with many escalations. Here are some key points from previous escalations: 1. 1947-1949: The Arab-Israeli War - This was a conflict that followed the United Nations' decision to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. It resulted in the establishment of the state of Israel. 2. 1967: Six-Day War - Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, resulting in the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and other territories. 3. 1987-1993: First Intifada - A Palestinian uprising against Israeli rule in the occupied territories. 4. 2000-2005: Second Intifada - Another Palestinian uprising marked by suicide bombings and Israeli military responses. 5. 2008-2009: Gaza War (Operation Cast Lead) - Israel's military operation in the Gaza Strip to stop rocket attacks from Palestinian militant groups. 6. 2014: Gaza War (Operation Protective Edge) - Another conflict in Gaza, resulting in significant casualties. 7. Periodic clashes and tensions over issues like settlements, security, and the status of Jerusalem. The conflict between Israel and Palestine has a long and complex history with numerous ceasefires. Here are a few significant events: Oslo Accords (1993): The Oslo Accords marked a significant step toward peace, leading to the creation of the Palestinian Authority and the division of the West Bank into Areas A, B, and C. Second Intifada (2000-2005): A period of increased violence and conflict, resulting in significant casualties on both sides .Gaza Disengagement Plan (2005): Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, dismantling settlements and evacuating Israeli citizens. Operation Cast Lead (2008-2009): Israel's military operation in Gaza led to a ceasefire brokered by Egypt. Operation Pillar of Defense (2012): Another conflict in Gaza, resolved with a ceasefire brokered by Egypt and the U.S. Operation Protective Edge (2014): A major conflict in Gaza, concluding with a ceasefire mediated by Egypt and the UN. Gaza Protests (2018-2019): Ongoing protests at the Gaza border, resulting in periods of tension and ceasefire negotiations. In all of these, the so called Palestinians refused a 2 state system and insisted on taking everything as contained in Hamas charter. They just don't want Israel to exist and they want only Islam to exist in the entire middle east. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by idahme(m): 11:30pm On Mar 30 |
helinues:
Distorted history story
Why should Palestines settle for crumbs in their own land? Which land , go and fight for them on the Frontlines and see your virgins coming your way. 2 Likes |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by idahme(m): 11:36pm On Mar 30 |
blacknp:
Please find who can lend you small common sense. You didn't respond to his assertion but go low on him. You should have remained silent if you had nothing else to say. |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by idahme(m): 11:38pm On Mar 30 |
jazzman7711:
STUPID SLAVE.
DID PUTIN NOT RELEASE IMAGES FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD SHOWING THAT THE REAL JEWS, INCLUDING ‘JESUS’ WERE BLACK AFRICANS?
YET YOU ARE STILL HERE PLAYING HAPPY SLAVE TO WHITE SETTLER IMPOSTORS FROM POLAND, AUSTRIA, UK, GERMANY, HOLLAND, ETC CLAIMING TO BE HEBREWS!
ARE YOU PEOPLE CURSED TO BE BLIND AND IGNORANT?
DISGUSTING. Gaslighting, answer him in the subject matter he raised . These emotional blackmail gives you out as someone with a weak argument. 1 Like |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by 1Sharon(f): 12:27am On Mar 31 |
FiftyFifty:
Ironically it's the Christians that persecuted if not exterminated the Jews, not the Muslims. Heraclius killed and destroyed their temple for killing his God. What Hitler did to them need no revisiting here. The pogrom was also well documented. The Qur'an just like the Bible provides for peace and war time, and if the two are to be considered together, the Bible is more violent than the Qur'an. It's the Christians that waged the crusade, it's th Christians that colonised the world and exterminated many tribes in the process, it's the Critaians that institutionalized slavery, it's also Christianity that gave the world the likes of Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, and Bush, among others. I can go on. Lying son of mohammed. Your got that from your father the Arabs, masters of lying through their teeth. You conveniently forgot the atrocities of Islam. The bible is more violent than the quran? Do you know that your central figure in Islam believes in race-based slavery? You never heard about the Muslim enslavement of black Africans? You don't know that the conquest of your Arab masters spanned 3 continents? Why are north Africans, Mauritanians, sudanese and people of the Levant speaking Arabic? You think they spontaneously decided to forget their indigenous tongue? Did you know that people from Palestine are not even arab?? How is it that they're speaking Arabic? 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by jazzman7711: 12:28am On Mar 31 |
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| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by jazzman7711: 12:32am On Mar 31 |
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| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by jazzman7711: 12:38am On Mar 31 |
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| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by omoharry(f): 12:54am On Mar 31 |
FiftyFifty:
Why are you sounding so aggressive?
The history of Palestine didn't start with Rabin, it started long before Abraham whom the Jews claimed to have descended from migrated from Ur and later Haran all in Mesopotamia (today's Iraq) and settled there. King David would later conquer Jerusalem. Conquer from who? You may ask- the Palestinians. Check your Bible. Today's Jews are migrants from Europe who settled there due to the persecution from the western Christian countries such as France, Germany, Russia, and others. We all know where the Jews migrated from but no one has told us where the Palestinians migrated from. Ask an Israeli the tomb of his immediate grandparents and he'll take you to Poland, Germany, or Russia. Ask a Palestinian the tomb of his 30th grandparents and he'll take you there in Palestine. And you're still saying that is not their land. As bias as ever. You cut out the part where the Israelite occupied that land till they were evicted by the Romans in 135 CE.. The region was once known as Judea until the Romans changed it and named it Palestine after they were evicted just to erase the Jewish presence . Pls stop telling distorted history to suit what you want 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by id4sho(m): 1:14am On Mar 31 |
helinues:
Distorted history story
Why should Palestines settle for crumbs in their own land? Religion worsened the Jew - Palestine case |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by dreamxhaser: 6:01am On Mar 31 |
makemoneywbsite:
There's nothing you can do about the status of Palestinians. It's the consequesnce of having a religion that teaches you to kill all Christaians and Jews wherever you find them. Jews are no longer too weak for Muslims to kill at will. Extremist spotted |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by makemoneywbsite: 7:09am On Mar 31 |
dreamxhaser:
Extremist spotted Suicidal booooberr spotted |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by NewDea4: 7:39am On Mar 31 |
helinues:
Distorted history story
Why should Palestines settle for crumbs in their own land? It's either the crumb or nothing, headbanger |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Tallesty1(m): 9:43am On Mar 31 |
helinues:
Distorted history story
Why should Palestines settle for crumbs in their own land? But you want Biafra to take the 5 states carved out for them by Nigeria? |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by talk2hb1(m): 10:28am On Mar 31 |
chiagozien:
You support Palestine freedom but against Biafra freedom.
Typical Yoruba Muslim. Which Biafra? |
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| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by talk2hb1(m): 10:33am On Mar 31 |
1Sharon:
Lying son of mohammed. Your got that from your father the Arabs, masters of lying through their teeth. You conveniently forgot the atrocities of Islam.
Do You Have Evidence or just some fallacy
The bible is more violent than the quran?
Do you know that your central figure in Islam believes in race-based slavery? You never heard about the Muslim enslavement of black Africans?
Islam or Muslims?
Any proof?
You don't know that the conquest of your Arab masters spanned 3 continents? Why are north Africans, Mauritanians, sudanese and people of the Levant speaking Arabic?
Go back to your history text book and read about desert merchants
You think they spontaneously decided to forget their indigenous tongue?
Did you know that people from Palestine are not even arab?? How is it that they're speaking Arabic? |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by AntiMarxist: 10:35am On Mar 31 |
Barywhyte:
Their own land You are the person propagating distorted history. How does the land belong to your Jew slave masters ? |
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| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by toneroforever(m): 10:38am On Mar 31 |
FiftyFifty:
Not true and I'll tell you why.
Palestinian people have been wrongly but deliberately accused of rejecting the two-state-solutiin (2SS). This is a lie. A pure, blatant lie repeatedly told to mislead the public. The devil in every deal is in the details...
The only Israeli PM who showed commitment to the 2SS was Yitzhak Rabin based on the 1993 Oslo Accord, and it was on that commitment that he got assassinated publicly by Yigal Amir, a jewish extremist in 1995.
The camp David Summit in the year 2000 came fairly close to creating a 2SS during Ehud Barak. It came crashing down when Barak warned the Americans that he could not accept giving the Palestinians more than a purely symbolic sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem. In total, Israel demanded that Palestine's territory in East Jerusalem be reduced to eight sections including six small enclaves. Palestinians objected to the lack of sovereignty and to the right of Israel to keep Jewish neighbourhoods that it built over the Green Line in East Jerusalem.
The Israel also wanted to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along the Palestinian-Jordanian border.
Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River.
One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management. Israeli control of water resources in the new (almost) Palestinian state, along with de facto Israeli control over borders and the total demilitarisation of the Palestinian state basically guarantees that Palestine would be an Israeli state.
Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote that Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram Al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept a 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.
Shlomo Ben-Ami, the then Israel's Minister of Foreign Relations who participated in the talks stated on Democracy now in 2006 that "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.
The Palestinians compromised quite a bit. They started by asking for a state based on pre 1967 borders. The Israelis rejected that, so they asked for borders based on 1967. The Israelis also rejected that, so they asked for complete control over the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis rejected that. And the same Palestinians are unjustly accused by people of rejecting the 2SS. (As recent as last week, Netanyahu publicly and boldly reiterated the Israel stance that the Palestinians shouldn't have a state, after Biden called for a 2SS).
These and more are all documented by even the Israeli media such as the Haretz and by many Israeli authors such as Uri Avnery, Dan Cohen, and Ilan Pappe, among others. Quite informative 1 Like |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by blacknp(m): 10:44am On Mar 31 |
idahme:
You didn't respond to his assertion but go low on him. You should have remained silent if you had nothing else to say. You should have remained silent if nothing in your skull had anything meaningful to contribute. |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by FiftyFifty(m): 10:46am On Mar 31 |
omoharry:
As bias as ever. You cut out the part where the Israelite occupied that land till they were evicted by the Romans in 135 CE.. The region was once known as Judea until the Romans changed it and named it Palestine after they were evicted just to erase the Jewish presence . Pls stop telling distorted history to suit what you want Can you pls answer these simple questions? Who named the land Judea and Samaria? Where did Abraham, whom the Jews claimed to have descended from migrated (to Jerusalem) from? Who did King David conqur Jerusalem from? If the land doesn't belong to the Palestinians, where did the Palestinians originally come from? Thank you. 3 Likes |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Johnjustice: 10:49am On Mar 31 |
helinues:
Distorted history story
Why should Palestines settle for crumbs in their own land? It's not their land. Is Solomon from Palestine? Is Jesus from Palestine? Is David from Palestine? |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Johnjustice: 10:52am On Mar 31 |
Lawly:
Mumu. You are taking history lesson from politician that is very busy in propaganda war. If the ancient Jews were blacks, why is Jerusalem not in Africa? Why are Arabs not also blacks? Why is Quran confirming that Muhammed entered the Jewish lands and slaughtered them after they refused to convert to Islam? Or are you saying that Quran is a book of lies? They are bronze skinned, not necessarily Africans... before the ice age etc, a lot of people were bronze skinned, humanity started from the black race, and moved from here to other parts. So black/bronze skinned is not always African. |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Enceladus(m): 11:01am On Mar 31 |
Johnjustice:
It's not their land.
Is Solomon from Palestine?
Is Jesus from Palestine?
Is David from Palestine? I guess the Anglo Saxons can also go and wage war and claim their land in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.  |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Johnjustice: 11:06am On Mar 31 |
Enceladus:
I guess the Anglo Saxons can also go and wage war and claim their land in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.
This issue is not just geographical or cultural, it has religious and spiritual connotations, it's deep. 1 Like |
| Re: This Would Have Being Palestine Today If They Didn't Choose The Violent Path by Johnjustice: 11:07am On Mar 31 |
FiftyFifty:
Can you pls answer these simple questions?
Who named the land Judea and Samaria?
Where did Abraham, whom the Jews claimed to have descended from migrated (to Jerusalem) from?
Who did King David conqur Jerusalem from?
If the land doesn't belong to the Palestinians, where did the Palestinians originally come from?
Thank you.
Palestinian people migrated from the Arab peninsula to Middle East, less than 300 years ago, Solomon and Jesus story is more than 2000 years, different timelines. |
