Joagbaje:

I don't get you

There's no contradiction. The message is simple . Christ came as a Jew. And ministered to them and commanded his convert to take the message o the rest of us ,period

Don't talk about what you don't know . I don't even seem to know your point any longer.

Paul didn't just claim revelation. His conversion is authentic and other apostles like Peter acknowledged his commission.

frosbel:

And yet Muhammad appears as a comforter in the New Testament, right.

And Mo referred you to the gospels , right ?

You do sound as daft as a brush , do you take the time to read back a lot of rubbish you type here, or are you on a copy and paste frenzy just like your Boko Haram brothers are on a killing Frenzy.

I am getting convinced that you must be a juvenile, you cannot debate properly or reason logically, time and time again you resort to swear words including calling women the b word.

You must have a serious problem , go and sort it out.

Joagbaje:

Lagoshia

Jesus in his preaching brought reconciliation for the Jews. But in his death brought reconciliation for the Gentiles. It's as simple as that. If you compare it with my previous posts you'll see a clearer picture of it.

bashy_demy:

All this are gilberish were you there when the bomb was planted? can you tell me if those that plant the bomb there are boys or girls? are they old or young chaps y[b]ou cannot proof that only listen to this silly media that was own by Xtians[/b] in other to bring Islam down they have failed, Am glad the man that bomb onyakhilome Office was alive and prrof shows he was a Xtians this would have blame it on Muslims

goggs:

[size=11pt][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][color=#990000]The Muslims denial of the truth even when confronted with facts is mind boggling. This is for sure why the Muslim world is so backward. They cant question WHY? can't seek the truth, stifle dissent and free thinking, hardly learn from mistakes and even when confronted with facts will allude all sorts of gibberish to discredit facts!

I came across this somewhere on the net, it showed the difference in stark terms comparing the Jews and the Muslim world (both are somewhat related - descendants of Abraham, came about in similar times) -

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000;

ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics:

(zero)

LagosShia:

[size=18pt]Muslim Nobel Prize Winners[/size]

Nobel Prizes are somehow among the very few annual events that I anxiously wait for. In days leading up the Nobel prizes I read about the nominations, and then follow diligently as the prizes are announced. In some ways it is a habit I picked up while in school, but in other ways, it has become a way for me to find some encouragement that despite all the problems that plague the world today (such as oppression, terrorism, extremism, war, etc), sincere efforts of a few are indeed leading to progress, growth and positive development. developments in humanity’s evolution. I find worldwide recognition of glorious advances made in physical, natural or social sciences as evidence that humanity is finding ways to improve itself and become a better collective self.

My thesis advisor for the Ph.D. was a Nobel laureate (Mario Molina, 1995), and if I had not spent 5+ years day and night working right by his side, I would have continued to think of Nobel laureates as some super-humans that ordinary people like myself would never get to know, understand or meet. But now that is not the case. While I have utmost respect for Nobel laureates, and remain in awe of their inspiring and amazing achievements, I am also able to see them as mere human beings who have been able to make a difference in their fields by applying their intelligence, determination and creativity. They are ordinary human beings whose work has made the world a better place.

Muslims, unfortunately, have not been recipients of many Nobel prizes. Is it because our greatest academic achievements were made before Alfred Nobel decided to donate his money for the international awards? Ibn Khaldoum, Al-Khwarizmi, Ibn-Sina, Al-Biruni etc are all ancient names, sometimes only remembered fondly because the names sound mysterious, and sometimes only when their names are seen on history walls in museums. Despite the achievements by these great people, it is often surprising ad embarrassing how few Muslim students have any idea what they accomplished. That ignorance speaks volumes for how our societies have come to value advances in academia (and sciences in particular).

But that trend of Muslims not winning Nobel prizes may be changing. Among Muslims, the name that stands out for me is of course that of Abdus-Salam (also see my post here). He was a Pakistani muslim, who won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1979. However, how sad that internal squabbles within Islam in Pakistan prevented him from ever really getting the recognition he deserved in the Muslim world.

Arabs have had some success in getting to the Nobel Prize pedestal. As a chemist, I am of-course reminded of fellow physical chemist Ahmed Zewail, a Nobel laureate in chemistry (1997). Another name that I have been recently introduced to is of Naguib Mahfouz, a Nobel laureate in literature from Egypt (1988). Eteraz correectly state son his blog that perhaps Muhammad Iqbal was the only other person who came very close to receiving this price (back in the 1940s).

This year has brought a second Nobel prize in literature to the Muslim world. This year’s prize went to Orhan Pamuk, a Turkish novelist who has often been criticized in his home country for highlighting the genocide of the Armenians in the 1st world war period (under the Ottoman empire).

Muslims have received the Nobel Peace prize as well. Shirin Ebadi, an Iranian human rights activist, won the Nobel Peace prize in 2003. She was the first Muslim woman to win the Nobel prize. And today Muslims scored one more. Muhammad Yunus of Bangladesh and his Grameen Bank received the Nobel peace prize for creating microfinance institutions and for economic empowerment & development of the very poor in rural communities. One more person, waiting in line, is Abdus Sattar Edhi, the Mother Teresa of Pakistan. Us Pakistanis keep waiting.

http://bznotes./2006/10/13/muslim-nobel-prize-winners/

East:

Allah was sent to the Arabs! are you an Arad LagoShia?

frosbel:

Let us look at some very intelligent Quranic Science :


Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years (?)

Verily a day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. [Quran 22:47]

To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your reckoning [Quran 32:5]

The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years. So, which one is it ? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years? [Quran-70:4]

Which one is it , 1000 or 50,000. ?

Fallacies on Sun-set and Sun-rise (?)

The Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring

“Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…” [Quran-18:86]

“Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.” [Quran- 18:90]

There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never goes down in a muddy spring or clear spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises. Does any body need to go near rising or setting places to observe—sun-set or sun-rising?

Read Scientific Contradictions Here

Sweetnecta:

I shake my head for these people; ignorant mind.

How is Allah Muhammad [as] when Allah is Unseen God of Muhammad?

How is Muhammad Nigerian, when Islam is a Universal religion, unlike 'sent to the children of Israel'?


Some do not carry shame in their hearts.

plappville:

Blood socking three godesses a universal? this must be a big dream. The origin of islam tells that, Muhammed was not able to differenciate btw Allah and Satan's voice, as if both are two different thing. allah is satan, one thing in two names. Islam doctrine is a prove.

LagosShia:



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There goes LagoShia with his insults,    You can't debate like a rational man.

[quote]he jews regard Jesus as an imposter who was a fake prophet.they do no believe in him at all.while both muslims and christians do in their respective ways.

what the above[b] fool [/b]has just done unknowingly is to prove Christian backward[/b] and the belief in Jesus Christ as something very insignificant as well.

Oh Oh! here comes the insults again!   

I have not even started to compile Christian inventors and Nobel Laureates, 100's of names come to mind. But from the compilation of the Jews and Muslims, there is no chance in anywhere you are going anywhere when compared with Christianity. The Laptop you are using was invented by a Muslim ko? Abi Sir Bennard Lee (Father of the Internet) is a Muslim? Abi Isaac Newton? Abi Steve Jobs (A Syrian - but not so fast, he was Bhuddist)

Seriously,  you do not think that the Christians that have won this thing are less than eight (6 muslims + 2 you mentioned) do you? Don't go there.

so really what is the point of the thread?is science the topic of this thread?

besides,a people like the jews who control the world through cartels and lobbies should definitely be ahead.

LagosShia:

[size=18pt]Muslim Nobel Prize Winners[/size]

Nobel Prizes are somehow among the very few annual events that I anxiously wait for. In days leading up the Nobel prizes I read about the nominations, and then follow diligently as the prizes are announced. In some ways it is a habit I picked up while in school, but in other ways, it has become a way for me to find some encouragement that despite all the problems that plague the world today (such as oppression, terrorism, extremism, war, etc), sincere efforts of a few are indeed leading to progress, growth and positive development. developments in humanity’s evolution. I find worldwide recognition of glorious advances made in physical, natural or social sciences as evidence that humanity is finding ways to improve itself and become a better collective self.

My thesis advisor for the Ph.D. was a Nobel laureate (Mario Molina, 1995), and if I had not spent 5+ years day and night working right by his side, I would have continued to think of Nobel laureates as some super-humans that ordinary people like myself would never get to know, understand or meet. But now that is not the case. While I have utmost respect for Nobel laureates, and remain in awe of their inspiring and amazing achievements, I am also able to see them as mere human beings who have been able to make a difference in their fields by applying their intelligence, determination and creativity. They are ordinary human beings whose work has made the world a better place.

Muslims, unfortunately, have not been recipients of many Nobel prizes. Is it because our greatest academic achievements were made before Alfred Nobel decided to donate his money for the international awards? Ibn Khaldoum, Al-Khwarizmi, Ibn-Sina, Al-Biruni etc are all ancient names, sometimes only remembered fondly because the names sound mysterious, and sometimes only when their names are seen on history walls in museums. Despite the achievements by these great people, it is often surprising ad embarrassing how few Muslim students have any idea what they accomplished. That ignorance speaks volumes for how our societies have come to value advances in academia (and sciences in particular).

But that trend of Muslims not winning Nobel prizes may be changing. Among Muslims, the name that stands out for me is of course that of Abdus-Salam (also see my post here). He was a Pakistani muslim, who won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1979. However, how sad that internal squabbles within Islam in Pakistan prevented him from ever really getting the recognition he deserved in the Muslim world.

Arabs have had some success in getting to the Nobel Prize pedestal. As a chemist, I am of-course reminded of fellow physical chemist Ahmed Zewail, a Nobel laureate in chemistry (1997). Another name that I have been recently introduced to is of Naguib Mahfouz, a Nobel laureate in literature from Egypt (1988). Eteraz correectly state son his blog that perhaps Muhammad Iqbal was the only other person who came very close to receiving this price (back in the 1940s).

This year has brought a second Nobel prize in literature to the Muslim world. This year’s prize went to Orhan Pamuk, a Turkish novelist who has often been criticized in his home country for highlighting the genocide of the Armenians in the 1st world war period (under the Ottoman empire).

Muslims have received the Nobel Peace prize as well. Shirin Ebadi, an Iranian human rights activist, won the Nobel Peace prize in 2003. She was the first Muslim woman to win the Nobel prize. And today Muslims scored one more. Muhammad Yunus of Bangladesh and his Grameen Bank received the Nobel peace prize for creating microfinance institutions and for economic empowerment & development of the very poor in rural communities. One more person, waiting in line, is Abdus Sattar Edhi, the Mother Teresa of Pakistan. Us Pakistanis keep waiting.

http://bznotes./2006/10/13/muslim-nobel-prize-winners/

goggs:
Yep, the Jews regard Jesus not so highly, but do Christians say SLAY THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! No cos their beliefs are their problem. We can join hands with them and solve any problem life throws at us. No irrational HATE of the Jews. Lai lai. They are humans and thats what matters. They chose their path to salvation and we ours: shall meet on the last day. Chikenan!

Oh Oh! here comes the insults again!   

I have not even started to compile Christian inventors and Nobel Laureates, 100's of names come to mind. But from the compilation of the Jews and Muslims, there is no chance in anywhere you are going anywhere when compared with Christianity. The Laptop you are using was invented by a Muslim ko? Abi Sir Bennard Lee (Father of the Internet) is a Muslim? Abi Isaac Newton? Abi Steve Jobs (A Syrian - but not so fast, he was Bhuddist)

frosbel:

^^^

So says Mr.Enlightened
I bet you bow at the altar of Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins

They are both white men you know, and so was Charles Darwin.

bashy_demy:

@goggs You have finally derail this thread. Why not try to create another thread to claim about the Noble prize things you are doing here,  Typical of Christian ways,  But i have put this question forward and nobody has ever answer my question,  let trace history to as far back as 1900 Arab nations have been the most peace nation i think from 1900-80's. They never participate in the first and second world war did they? So have you ever ask your self why are this change over night? Also ask yourself who train Osama Bin Laden and what did they use him for? Who lead the squad to invade Libya in the 80's, Who turn Iraq and Iran to each other and make them go to war? who invade Vietnam and kill millions of there Citizen. Now tell American train Osama to be a Terrorist and use him to Terrorize Arab Nations. So if he change overnight and said no am not killing my people anymore and turn to the America who train him that was when they call him terrorist abi.  another thing is if a boy wake up in the morning, Find both his parent and siblings dead and he is also badly injure, If they tell that boy that America are responsible for the death of your Family and also they put you in this way do you think he will ever like Americans? Ti eshinshin ba nje elegbo eni o ni ri ooo,  Though am not supporting them am only trying to let you know the cause of there brutality.

(i) you are lying (ii) the halocaust was done by who? (iii) who are paying the price for it today? (iv)Hitler by all account was a christian.

How would you feel if a "prophet" or any "man of God" call your people "dog" while he refers to others as "holy" and "children of God"?

Matthew 15:21-28
"Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour".



Mark 7:24-29
"And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid. For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet: The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs. And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter".

LagosShia: Nigerians and gentiles nations should leave Jesus (as) alone before it is too late.Jesus (as) has warned you that he was not sent to you and that means he will deny you if you dont desist from claiming to follow him.he will deny you as he said he promised:

Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'


Jesus Only For Jews:
Matthew 15:22-24
"And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

Matthew 10:5-6
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

Matthew 19:28
"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel".

Note:
1.) Jesus refuses to attend to a gentile because he was only sent to the Children of Israel.
2.) He warns his disciples not to preach to gentiles.
3.) He said he would judge the tribes of Israel.so who would judge Nigerians?

the christian missionary undoubtedly would conjure up their tricks and bring the below verse as evidence that Jesus said his teachings should be given to all humans:

Mark 16:15-17
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world,and preach the gospel to every creature.He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; But he that believeth not shall be damned".

THE BIG PROBLEM OF CONTRADICTION AND EVIDENCE OF INTERPOLATION!

Aside from the fact that Mark 16:15-17 contradicts the three verses in Matthew which explicitly confirm that Jesus was only sent to/for the Jews,there is also the problem of interpolation or fabrication in Mark Chapter 16.

In all bibles you can think of and check by yourself,Mark Chapter 16 ends at verse no.8. Verses 9-20 are not found in all bibles.verses 9-20 are relegated to a footnote because of lack of "authenticity" for it to be part of the "gospel".here is the reason from the "horse's mouth" that the bible authors themselves give:

Bible versions relegated verses 9-20 of Mark Chapter 16 to a footnote.then they give the reason why:

“The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9–20”
http://niv.scripturetext.com/mark/16.htm

frosbel:


From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)
Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yasser Arafat *

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam



* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)
Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer

2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 - William Howard Stein

1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1989 - Sidney Altman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1998 - Walter Kohn

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

2004 - Irwin Rose

2004 - Avram Hershko

2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 - Wassily Leontief

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Rober Fogel

1994 - John Harsanyi

1994 - Reinhard Selten

1997 - Robert Merton

1997 - Myron Scholes

2001 - George Akerlof

2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

2002 - Daniel Kahneman

2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - David Baltimore

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 - Andrew V. Schally

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1994 - Martin Rodbell

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

2000 - Eric R. Kandel

2002 - Sydney Brenner

2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - Leon N. Cooper

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Georges Charpak

1995 - Martin Perl

1995 - Frederick Reines

1996 - David M. Lee

1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.