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Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 5:19pm On Dec 18, 2011
^^ By my own reckoning cities should be ranked by population (most importantly)

I cant find any definition of a city which excludes the large Population
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by aljharem3: 5:24pm On Dec 18, 2011
Ok here it is

Note ranking is done based on the world standared and in the ordered

Urban Area Rank       City Pop Rank            City   City Population                              Urban Area Population
27                                       15                  Lagos     8029200                                            9123200
88                                     53                   Kano         3248700                                            3519500
78                                     54                  Ibadan       3078400                                            3670400
259                                     151                 Kaduna     1458900                                            1458900
324                                   255           Port Harcourt     1053900                                            1190600
392                           256                       Benin     1051600                                            1051600
428                                282                     Maiduguri         971700                                            971700
469                                  304               Zaria     898900                                             898900
468                                350                       Aba     784500                                             899100
554                               371                       Ilorin             756400                                             756400
563                              377                      Jos     742100                                             742100
420                               386                 Ogbomosho     726300                                             985600
656                       456                     Oyo     620400                                             620400
621                             479                   Enugu             593300                                             662800
597                         560                Abeokuta             529700                                             698100
413                             594                   Onitsha             509500                                            1001000
817                            609                   Warri      500900                                               500900
818                             610                   Sokoto      500500                                             500500
885                            694                  Okene      444900                                              444900
899                            713                Calabar      431200                                              431200
302                            729                  Oshogbo       421000                                              1309900
954                            797                    Katsina      387000                                               387000
984                            844                   Akure       369700                                              369700
1121                   1012                   Ife                   313400                                            313400


etc

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/Nigeria.htm
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:28pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:

^^ By my own reckoning cities should be ranked by population (most importantly)

I cant find any definition of a city which excludes the large Population

I already acknowledged that but still maintain that it is only one of the factors, as data from cities outside Nigeria suggest too. So what is your cut off (100K, 200K, 1000K?) population? Most Nigerian towns have pops of 100K+

A ''city'' of 200k that has no single industry of note and must depend on good and services from a city of 50 k is a no brainer to me.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:30pm On Dec 18, 2011
alj_harem:

Ok here it is

Note ranking is done based on the world standared and in the ordered

Urban Area Rank       City Pop Rank            City   City Population                              Urban Area Population
27                                       15                  Lagos     8029200                                            9123200
88                                     53                   Kano         3248700                                            3519500
78                                     54                  Ibadan       3078400                                            3670400
259                                     151                 Kaduna     1458900                                            1458900
324                                   255           Port Harcourt     1053900                                            1190600
392                           256                       Benin     1051600                                            1051600
428                                282                     Maiduguri         971700                                            971700
469                                  304               Zaria     898900                                             898900
468                                350                       Aba     784500                                             899100
554                               371                       Ilorin             756400                                             756400
563                              377                      Jos     742100                                             742100
[s]420                               386                 Ogbomosho     726300                                             985600[/s]
[s]656                       456                     Oyo     620400                                             620400[/s]
621                             479                   Enugu             593300                                             662800
597                         560                Abeokuta             529700                                             698100
413                             594                   Onitsha             509500                                            1001000
817                            609                   Warri      500900                                               500900
818                             610                   Sokoto      500500                                             500500
[s]885                            694                  Okene      444900                                              444900[/s]
899                            713                Calabar      431200                                              431200
302                            729                  Oshogbo       421000                                              1309900
954                            797                    Katsina      387000                                               387000
984                            844                   Akure       369700                                              369700
[s]1121                   1012                   Ife                   313400                                            313400[/s]


etc

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/Nigeria.htm



The thread is not talking about pop numbers but about one-city status of most Nigerian states. Still yours is based on pop only and we know how distorted our pop acquiring procedures are. Its not finicky to me, sorry. Oshogbo and Ife which ranks first in the overall scheme of things in Osun state?
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by aljharem3: 5:33pm On Dec 18, 2011
Nchara:

That's based on pop only and we know how distorted our pop acquiring procedures are. Its not finicky to me, sorry.

dude it was not based on population but based on [size=15pt]WORLD'S URBAN RANKING[/size]

To be honest, it is really sad that you are comparing the largest city in west africa in the same league as Lagos and onitsha

Ibadan is the largest and one of the oldest cities in Africa.

Now look at the urban ranking, it says it all
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:34pm On Dec 18, 2011
What is urban? A town is also an urban area, no? Must you be a city to be urban?

How does that relate to this thread?

Yes, Ibadan is the largest, IYO,  so what? it Is still a city, no? This thread is not talking about populations, it is talking about one-city status.
What other cities are in Oyo state except you rate based on population, when Ogbomosho and Oyo would then be considered?
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:41pm On Dec 18, 2011
An urban area is characterized by higher population density and vast human features in comparison to areas surrounding it. Urban areas may be cities, towns or conurbations,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 5:46pm On Dec 18, 2011
Nchara:

I already acknowledged that but still maintain that it is only one of the factors, as data from cities outside Nigeria suggest too. So what is your cut off (100K, 200K, 1000K?) population? Most Nigerian towns have pops of 100K+

A ''city'' of 200k that has no single industry of note and must depend on good and services from a city of 50 k is a no brainer to me.

Since Africa is not known for industries why should we now base it on it?

Ogbomosho and Oyo have several educational institutions , they also have their own small scale industries

They have the needed POPULATION and land mass to categorize them as cities
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:51pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:

Since Africa is not known for industries why should we now base it on it?

Ogbomosho and Oyo have several educational institutions , they also have their own small scale industries

They have the needed POPULATION and land mass to categorize them as cities

Every Nigerian town has one small scale industry or another. What is your population cut-off that we can determine from?
Africa is not known for industries? What is Lagos, Nnewi, Aba, Kano, P.H. Ibadan known for again?

If we go by industries, then Agbara in Ogun state and Nnewi in Anambra state should be cities.

Ogbomosho has LAUTech, Oyo has Adeyemi Col of Edu. What else do they have? So do other smaller towns such as Otta, Umudike, Ekpoma etc. Are they also cities?

Only pop can ever classify Ogbomosho as a city but then we need to have a cut= off so that other towns within that cut-off will be added as cities too.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 5:52pm On Dec 18, 2011
@ poster
Going by your judgements of other "cities" even Umuahia wouldn't make it to city status. I think your post has tribal emphasis , think not ?
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:54pm On Dec 18, 2011
apocalypse:

@ poster
Going by your judgements of other "cities" even Umuahia wouldn't make it to city status. I think your post has tribal emphasis , think not ?

Umuahia is a state capital. All Nigerian state capitals are automatically cities (going by the norm in Nigeria). Take your stoopid tribalism to your bedroom. Thanks.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by austin2002: 5:55pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu, That you came from donkey Bottom doesn't allow you to say something out of  your stench mouth.Like I said whoever talk poo about Ojukwu,Biafrans etc, God of Abraham,God of Moses will render his or her  family useless.And watch dayokanu your family is about to be gone in a heart bit. poo bag like you gotten mouth to talk about Ojukwe.Get some real education on the War before useless cockcroach like you say something else. I bet you dare   go to Ojukwu's place and repeat that, coward poo bag.Again may the Spirits of the fallen Biafrans fall on your family and let them and u suffer a terrible death Amen.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 6:00pm On Dec 18, 2011
Nchara:

Every Nigerian town has one small scale industry or another. What is your population cut-off that we can determine from?
Africa is not known for industries? What is Lagos, Nnewi, Aba, Kano, P.H. Ibadan known for again?

If we go by industries, then Agbara in Ogun state should be a city.

Ogbomosho has LAUTech, Oyo has Adeyemi Col of Edu. What else do they have? So do other smaller towns such as Otta, Umudike, Ekpoma etc. Are they also cities?

Only pop can ever classify Ogbomosho as a city but then we need to have a cut= off so that other towns within that cut-off will be added as cities too.

Any place with a population of over 300k deserves a city status.

Ibadan for one is not known for industries but as a huge population center Same with kano. How many of those cities you listed are capital cities?

Ogbomoso and Oyo have huge populations, Has Higher institutions, has a large expanse of Land Those are factors which qualify it for a city status
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 6:03pm On Dec 18, 2011
austin2002:

dayokanu, That you came from donkey Bottom doesn't allow you to say something out of  your stench mouth.Like I said whoever talk poo about Ojukwu,Biafrans etc, God of Abraham,God of Moses will render his or her  family useless.And watch dayokanu your family is about to be gone in a heart bit. poo bag like you gotten mouth to talk about Ojukwe.Get some real education on the War before useless cockcroach like you say something else. I bet you dare   go to Ojukwu's place and repeat that, coward poo bag.Again may the Spirits of the fallen Biafrans fall on your family and let them and u suffer a terrible death Amen.

All these bile because of Ojuku the worst coward ever known in African history. Which warlord escapes and leaves his troops to suffer.

Ojuku is a useless man and his wife has now become the National bicycle that everyone is riding from Ojukus brother to Jonathan to Ojukus children all now ride Bian[b]car[/b]
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:10pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:

Any place with a population of over 300k deserves a city status.

Ibadan for one is not known for industries but as a huge population center Same with kano. How many of those cities you listed are capital cities?

Ogbomoso and Oyo have huge populations, Has Higher institutions, has a large expanse of Land Those are factors which qualify it for a city status

By that definition all state capitals with less than 300K are not cities, right? How did you arrive at that particular number?
Indeed there are many industries in Ibadan; it seems however to be overwhelmed by the huge population.

I do not see anywhere in the world where having higher institutions make a place a city
We often hear the phrase ''university town'' every now and then.

Does the desert, uninhibited large expanse of land between Kano and Jigawa make that place a city?

There is something unique in Enugu, Ibadan, Benin, Kano, Abeokuta, Lagos, and other such cities that makes them cities that are clearly lacking in Ogbomosho. Of course this is my opinion and it is not in any way official.

I believe Lagos (whatever the boundary is) should be divided into more than the one megacity it is now.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by odumchi: 6:12pm On Dec 18, 2011
This I amusing. First of all, what are the standards of a "city"?t There are many places that people excluded.

Anambra:
Onicha,
Awka,
Nnewi

Abia:
Umuahia
Aba
Arochukwu (third largest town in the state with over 200,000 people)

Imo:
Okigwe
Owerre

Enugu:
Nnewi
Enugu city
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:15pm On Dec 18, 2011
DK,

By that definition of 300K cut off
Lokoja
Asaba
Abakaliki
Yenagoa
Jalingo
and possibly others
all state capitals but with pop below even 250K (by Nigerian fake census) will not be cities.

How would you consider a ''city'' with 299K people?
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Abagworo(m): 6:28pm On Dec 18, 2011
A city has to be planned and must have high rises and public buildings. Population does not matter much. Oklahoma city has only just over half a million inhabitants but is a city. In Nigeria a place like Abeokuta with over half a million people still looks like a large densely populated village. Same goes for Akure, Aba, Oshogbo-Ede, Onitsha, Aba, Kano, Zaria, Benin. They lack high ways, well layed out streets and High rises. Take a look at Lagos(Particularly the Island not Ikorodu,Surulere or Ikeja) and Abuja, while driving there you will have the feel of a city.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:36pm On Dec 18, 2011
Abagworo:

A city has to be planned and must have high rises and public buildings. Population does not matter much. Oklahoma city has only just over half a million inhabitants but is a city. In Nigeria a place like Abeokuta with over half a million people still looks like a large densely populated village. Same goes for Akure, Aba, Oshogbo-Ede, Onitsha, Aba, Kano, Zaria, Benin.  They lack high ways, well layed out streets and High rises. Take a look at Lagos(Particularly the Island not Ikorodu,Surulere or Ikeja) and Abuja, while driving there you will have the feel of a city.

High rise buildings alone don't make a city. Otherwise only Lagos (those parts you mentioned) and Abuja will qualify as cities. Enugu, Owerri and Umuahia are significantly well-planned cities but no major high rises. Population does matter but is not the only criterion. Moreover, it is difficult to arrive at a population cut off that makes a city.

Per Nigeria, I believe a place with some level of planned infrastructure with a pop of 100K and above, having some number of viable industries (not necessarily farming), significant commerce, administrative significance, hotels and banks is a city. That brings many Nigerian cities into my definition.

However it is put, it is clear that many Nigerian states are one-city states.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by JamesDoe: 6:45pm On Dec 18, 2011
What is considered a city is subjective. But it should suffice that well-regarded organisations consider then cities.

Cities (except govt fiat ones) are organic but states and their boundaries have been arbitrarily drawn. Lagos Island was already a prominent place when the British colonised it during the Dosumu-Kosoko wars.

Perhaps it is better to consider zones, but knowing NL, this thread will go toxic.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Yinkay: 6:52pm On Dec 18, 2011
There is Umuakwu City in Nsullu ,Isiala Ngwa North in Abia State, where re welcomed there as a Youth Corper some years ago with frothing Palmwine during endurance trek, so Abia will have Aba,Umuahia and Umuakwu, cheesy
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:55pm On Dec 18, 2011
Yinkay:

There is Umuakwu City in Nsullu ,Isiala Ngwa North in Abia State, where re welcomed there as a Youth Corper some years ago with frothing Palmwine during endurance trek, so Abia will have Aba,Umuahia and Umuakwu, cheesy

How do we locate that city on the map? grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:58pm On Dec 18, 2011
JamesDoe:



Cities (except govt fiat ones) are organic but states and their boundaries have been arbitrarily drawn.


Govt fiat is perhaps the most important reason why Nigerian states are mostly one-city states?
Another will be the penchant for govts (states and fed) to develop the country unevenly
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 7:02pm On Dec 18, 2011
Yinkay:

There is Umuakwu City in Nsullu ,Isiala Ngwa North in Abia State, where re welcomed there as a Youth Corper some years ago with frothing Palmwine during endurance trek, so Abia will have Aba,Umuahia and Umuakwu,  cheesy

Guess we have two things in common : I bear Yinka and we both served in Abia. What we don't have in common is bullsh*t ,come on Nsiala Ngwa a city ? you must be high on meth
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 7:08pm On Dec 18, 2011
dayokanu:

Any place with a population of over 300k deserves a city status.


Let's analyze this:

Okene (Kogi state) has a pop of 320,260 (according to Wiki) and 444990 (from Alj Harem's link). But that is practically all we know about that place in terms of anything you might consider of importance for a place to be considered a city.

In contrast, Asaba (Delta State) has a pop of 149603 (2006 census, which I believe is inaccurate), but it is a state administrative place with an airport, banks, several standard hotels, thriving commerce and some industries that are working. Will Okene be a city and Asaba not, IYO?
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by scholes0(m): 7:10pm On Dec 18, 2011
[QUOTE]A city has to be planned and must have high rises and public buildings. Population does not matter much. Oklahoma city has only just over half a million inhabitants but is a city. In Nigeria a place like Abeokuta with over half a million people still looks like a large densely populated village. Same goes for Akure, Aba, Oshogbo-Ede, Onitsha, Aba, Kano, Zaria, Benin.  They lack high ways, well layed out streets and High rises. Take a look at Lagos(Particularly the Island not Ikorodu,Surulere or Ikeja) and Abuja, while driving there you will have the feel of a city.[/QUOTE]]
Whose criteria are theseangry angry

And, what is this ''feel of a city''??, care to explain it to me in details??
Feel of a city is subjective, dude.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by scholes0(m): 7:13pm On Dec 18, 2011
[QUOTE]Let's analyze this:

Okene (Kogi state) has a pop of 320,260 (according to Wiki) and 444990 (from Alj Harem's link). But that is practically all we know about that place in terms of anything you might consider of importance for a place to be considered a city.

In contrast, Asaba (Delta State) has a pop of 149603 (2006 census, which I believe is inaccurate), but it is a state administrative place with an airport, banks, several standard hotels, thriving commerce and some industries that are working. Will Okene be a city and Asaba not, IYO?
[/QUOTE]

Dude, why are you talking out of your Bottom??
Have U ever been to Okene before??

Yeah right, that was what I thought about Okene, before I travelled there./,  It is a BIG CITY, with thriving Commerce, everywhere, arguably one of the most important cities in Central Nigeria.
Apparently, someone here thinks Okene is a ''glorified village''

that u dont know nathing about Okene, doesen't mean, Millions of other Nigerians don't.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Yinkay: 7:15pm On Dec 18, 2011
@apocalypse
There is Umuakwu City in Nsullu ,Isiala Ngwa North in Abia State, where re welcomed there as a Youth Corper some years ago with frothing Palmwine during endurance trek, so Abia will have Aba,Umuahia and Umuakwu,  

Guess we have two things in common : I bear Yinka and we both served in Abia. What we don't have in common is bullsh*t ,come on Nsiala Ngwa a city ? you must be high on meth




If you passed thru  Nsullu Games village for the orientation, you must have been to the place, at the entrance to Umuakwu, it says you are welcome to Umuakwu City, and you cannot begrudge a group of people their aspirations and ambitions in
life.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by GAR3TH(m): 7:25pm On Dec 18, 2011
A small town, even if they are capitals, are still considered towns even in the western world. The administrative name for any settlement, despite its population is considered a city.  But people refer to towns, hamlets, villages or cities by their population and economic activity. There are suburban towns with populations of 330,000 but they are not referred to as cities because they don't have major economic activity, influence and other factors.

But what a city is can not really be defined. They way I define a city is by comparing. We all know lagos is a true city, so just compare lagos to other towns and see if those towns can be called a city. In reality you'll find that nigeria only has about 10 true cities.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islip_(town),_New_York

population 322,612, GDP ~ 1 billion still considered a town
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 7:29pm On Dec 18, 2011
Nchara:

Umuahia is a state capital. All Nigerian state capitals are automatically cities (going by the norm in Nigeria). Take your stoopid tribalism to your bedroom. Thanks.

State capital or not , Umuahia can't be compared to towns you have condemned on this thread going by any criterion.
Which norm ? , did you make the norm ?. If so Osun state should be classified as a multicity state having Osogbo ( the state capital ) and Ilesha which can be classified as a city going by all standards , even yours.

Yeah , what's with the niceties after an insult , why not - take your stoopid tribalism to your bedroom you matterphucher.
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Dec 18, 2011
@ poster
I think I was hard on you so let me be euphemistic - your thread is ethnocentric. Semantics at work
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 7:44pm On Dec 18, 2011
scholes0:

Dude, why are you talking out of your Bottom??
Have U ever been to Okene before??

Yeah right, that was what I thought about Okene, before I travelled there./,  It is a BIG CITY, with thriving Commerce, everywhere, arguably one of the most important cities in Central Nigeria.
Apparently, someone here thinks Okene is a ''glorified village''

that u dont know nathing about Okene, doesen't mean, Millions of other Nigerians don't.

Practically every Nigerian village has a thriving commerce on agricultural produce in local markets many with no shades or stalls. I have been to Okene twice but for the bigger population, it is not different from Afikpo or Idanre. I guess they are all cities then.

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