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Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by osereka(m): 4:57pm On Oct 04, 2007 |
yea let obey the rule of law AN ACUSED IS NOT GUILTY UNTIL PROVED OTHERWISE BY A COMPETENT COURT OF LAW soldiers don spoil our head, we dont even know the different between LAW and DECREE |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 5:40pm On Oct 04, 2007 |
AN ACUSED IS NOT GUILTY UNTIL PROVED OTHERWISE BY A COMPETENT COURT OF LAW You know why we should all follow rule of law: it is the best form of transparency & consistency. It is Ibori today, it could be you tomorrow: one rule must apply to everyone and thats 'RULE OF LAW' It is better for criminal to go unpunished(he will be caught another day) than an innocent man be punished(more people becoming criminal) |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by IykeD1(m): 7:06pm On Oct 04, 2007 |
Trust Nigerians!. They will carry this "rule of law thing" as if they invented it. Who is talking about guilt or innocence here? I thought the issue was whether the AGF and by extension Yar Adua is aiding suspected treasury looters to get off the hook while shouting "ruling of law" at the same time? Oh well, in that case, Nigeria is the wealthiest country on earth. None of the past governors took anything that did not belong to them! There is no point even trying to find out since we all know. That seems to be the new rule of law, lets move on! |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by away4real(m): 11:44am On Oct 05, 2007 |
@ Babasin, you keep claiming that the action of the AG answering a personal letter from a counsel is right. Please read this. The law is not black and white, the AGF's office has no business getting meddled into such a case except buying into the conspiracy arguement that he is playing out the govts script, which is a whole different arguement. The arguemet is given there is no influence from his boss, is it the duty of the AG to be writing such clean bill of health letters on suspects still been investigated. http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art2007100513392178 The decision of the Chief Law Officer of the Federation, Chief Michael Aondoakaa SAN to frustrate the prosecution of the former state governors at home and abroad has continued to confirm that the Yar’Adua regime has maximum tolerance for corruption. Andookaa SAN gave a clean bill of health to ex governor,James Ibori which led to the vacation of the freezing order on his £ 35 million assets suspected to have been looted from the treasury of Delta state government, The unwarranted intervention of Aondoakaa in the London case is a violation of the provision of Article 43 of the United Nations Convention Against Corruption which requires all countries that have ratified the Convention to cooperate with each other in the recovery of ill gotten assets of their public officers. It is worthy to note that Nigeria is one of the 38 countries in the 191 member states of the United Nations that have ratified the Convention. Having grossly betrayed his OATH of office in order to shield some sacred cows from investigation and prosecution and thereby exposed Nigeria to odium and ridicule before the international community Yaradua ought to remove Chief Aondoakaa SAN as the Attorney-General and Minister of Justice without any further delay. Please in your response don't come and talk it is right procedure when clearly it is not, provide juduicial facts either from the Nigerian constitution of any ratified Convention, which this article relies on. The summary is that his action contravenes Article 43 of the United Nations Convention Against Corruption. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by away4real(m): 12:19pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
Please see another article from the BBC, the international world can see the hypocricy, why didnt they call it "rule of law", because it clearly isnt, when is it the rule of law for the AG to write a letter, no one is saying he is guilty until that is done by a competent court (rule of law) but obstructing justice is not rule of law it is abuse of office. The personal intervention of the AG constitutes abuse of office, and he should be sacked. Assuming the non existance of the conspiracy theorist that is. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7027350.stm I just can correlate how rule of law and obstructing justice are ideals of a democratic society, please Nigerians wake up. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 3:38pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
Andookaa SAN gave a clean bill of health to ex governor,James Ibori which led to the vacation of the freezing order on his £ 35 million assets suspected to have been looted from the treasury of Delta state government, Please read between the line. It if was abuse of procedure; why did British Judge acceptted the letter from AGF?, why did British Jugde acted based on this letter? He should have simply thrown it as invalid for this case. Truth remains; AGF can respond to questions by any one in the world if they need to know the true legal situation of an individual etc in Nigeria. "The Attorney-General of the Federation and Minister of Justice also corrected insinuations in the media that he wrote a letter to the London Court in respect of the case involving Chief Ibori. He explained that his letter of August 7, 2007 was only a response to a letter from Chief Ibori's counsel, Mr Speech Bircham of the City Dispute Resolution Solicitors, London", the statement said. http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=91357 EFCC screwed-up. They should accept responsiblity and ensure this does not happen again. simple |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by Nobody: 3:47pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
babasin: if u na lawyer the uni wey u graduate from need to change their ENGLISH TEACHER. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 4:42pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
mikeansy, if you have better arguement to topic at hand; write or keep your peace! |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by Mariory(m): 5:11pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
babasin: How can the EFCC have screwed up when the investigation and subsequent freezing of assets was carried out by the Metropolitan Police in London? |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by away4real(m): 6:48pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
@ Babasin, i asked you to present judicial facts from the Nigerian constitution or ratified convention please can you do that and not this lame response. babasin: The British judge is not the standard in Nigeria, he respected the opinions of the office of the AG and took it into consideration in giving a judgement, it was part of the circumstances he considered. The office has been abused, because the holder is influencing a process, the question we should be asking is in the absence of that letter will the outcome have been the same, why couldnt Ibori's lawyer have asked the police or the Director of Public Prosecution who it that would have the facts on if anyone in Nigeria has been prosecuted in a Nigerian court, but no he chose the AG, because he realised that the process could be unduly influenced. The AG has no business obstructing justice, because that is what he has done, since your knowledge is more that other learned individuals and the democratic western societies we are emulating. Your so called rule of law in line with that of the current government clearly tells us that its all about abusing proviledges. This is how we loose respect in the international world, where in the world do public office holders meddle in such, is this AG the first AG to be asked for such a letter, why drag the name of the office in the mud, the little respect we were starting to gain is already being eroded. What has the EFCC got to do with this, you are now the one being clearly emotional and exhibiting personal bias. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by IykeD1(m): 2:15pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
More from the Guardian. . .
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Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by almondjoy(f): 3:07pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
I wonder why Ono is not here to shed more light on this topic or defend his "brethren" James Onanefe Ibori--JOI---at least. Ono, please where are you? @Topic. This is EFCC at work mind you. The anti-corruption Mogul/Guru or should I say "Gworo"! What a joke! |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 4:12pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
It was gathered that having observed that the same government agency (EFCC) that initiated the case had suddenly lost interest and was no more providing the evidence to nail their man, "the CPS lawyers and the Met Police threw in the towel, knowing that Ibori could turn around and claim damages through his legal team." again, that shows EFCC screwed up. The question; is the content of AGF letter true or false? TRUE. case closed. EFCC should learn from this and ensure that a criminal record is established against corrupt officials in Nigeria before trying to get their foreign assets frozen. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by IykeD1(m): 2:12am On Oct 08, 2007 |
And you honestly think the EFCC will get any serious cooperation or go ahead from this AGF to do what you just suggested? Its very convenient for you to blame the EFCC as usual, but its not lost on the entire world (mind you the outside world has now clued in on this) that the current government doesn't seem to be that concerned with going after the likes of Ibori for whatever reason. Isn't it strange that a foriegn government seems more interested in prosecuting in our thieving governors than our own government? Oh well, very soon every Nigerian will be so versed on the specifics of rule of law while the mass decay continues. . . I am sure you people will continue to love that. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 8:15am On Oct 08, 2007 |
And you honestly think the EFCC will get any serious cooperation or go ahead from this AGF to do what you just suggested? yes. they should bring their facts to gether and press charges for those erring corrupt people. If they dont get any good response; they should table it with Nigerians. This is democracy and nigerians have a voice but I guess EFCC already damaged itself when people like OBJ, Annenih are walking free; so nigerians may not listen to them. lesson: if you really want a reform to work. It is must be 'fair to all' and 'consistent', which sadly EFCC did not follow. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by McKren(m): 10:25am On Oct 08, 2007 |
Babasin is defending the indefensible The AGF replied Ibori's counsel with a letter dated 7th August while that of Ibori's counsel in london was dated 4th August, in essence it took him 3 days to reply Ibori's request. Met Police wrote him a letter dated 30th August but the AGF only sent a request to EFCC to furnish him dossiers on Ibori by Friday 28th September when the case will be decided on Moday 1st October in London. In essence it took him 1month to even research dossiers from the EFCC. Is it not curious that their could be such a disparity in both reactions? How about the timing of the letter to EFCC, on a friday when the case will be decided on Monday knowing that Saturday and Sunday are not working days. Let us for one stop playing politics with our future and those of our children. This AGF claims he acted on Orji's case in other not to be committed to Prison when it is on record that the so called suit filed by Kalu does not have him as a respondent. Babasin I don't know what your interest is, but for the sake of our children's destiny let us be rationale. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 11:40am On Oct 08, 2007 |
@McKren, The AGF replied Ibori's counsel with a letter dated 7th August while that of Ibori's counsel in london was dated 4th August, in essence it took him 3 days to reply Ibori's request. I don't hold brief for AGF but BP police should have seek adjourment till they get their own letter from AGF. It is that simple. If this letter is 'KEY'; why can't BP police seek adjourment, why can't the british Judge delay judgement? But they are eager to accept only letter from Ibori's lawyer by AGF. Even at that content of AGF letter to Ibori lawyer are TRUE FACTS Also if AGF did not give BP a response to their letter, the British judge can simple rule that letter from AGF to Ibori lawyer would not be tenable for this case. A witness cannot refused to be cross-examined by defence or prosecuting lawyer as AGF is being cross-examined here. People should stop being emotional and look at facts and rule of law. Note: I don't not support corruption in any disguise but 'RULE OF LAW' and true facts must prevail at all time. Today it is Ibori, tomorrow it could be anyone. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by McKren(m): 1:07pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
And your facts and rule of law support the AGF to reply Ibori's counsel's questions about Ibori's allegation (within days) without liasing with the appropriate agency handling the investigation but then will choose to write a delayed letter to EFCC when the other party makes the same request. Is that not double standards? This is not about whether the Judge should have adjourned or how the justice system works in Britain, it is about the sloppiness of our Attorney General. A public servant. Let us talk about a rule of law that makes sense, not Aondoakaa's version. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 4:13pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
And your facts and rule of law support the AGF to reply Ibori's counsel's questions about Ibori's allegation (within days) without liasing with the appropriate agency handling the investigation but then will choose to write a delayed letter to EFCC when the other party makes the same request. Correction: AGF is not liable to liase with any agency if he knows the full details of what is needed. He simply bears responsibility. AGF needs to answer why he replied fast or slow to each letter. Fact remains: If this LETTER is so crucial and the BP/EFCC are serious; they would have asked for adjourment, get AGF to reply their letter or ask the Judge to discount the Ibori's letter as invalid. They did neither; because its not the letter or speed it was written/replied that got the case won but the CONTENT; which are TRUE FACTS. EFCC/BP basically cannot dispute the CONTENT of that letter. A lawyer's brief is to do everything for his client to WIN and not loose. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by almondjoy(f): 4:27pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
Ono! Where are you? |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by McKren(m): 4:33pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
Babasin We learn everyday and lets listen to the voice of reason. 1. London Met police may only continue a case against Ibori if they see favourable signs from Nigeria otherwise they will back off. All this talk about they should have delayed or adjourned this or that simply makes no sense, because UK Gorvernment is not ready to jeorpardise UK National Interests. If London Met police has good reason to believe the FG is assisting Ibori evade justice they will simply back off no matter how much help they would have loved to offer. It is that simple, that is how international diplomacy work. 2. The AGF has the right to answer requests if he claims to have full details on them, but a situation where he chooses to have full details on replying Ibori's cousel but chooses to consult EFCC in replying London Met police when both Plaintif and defendant are practically asking the same questions (i.e. whether Ibori is wanted for Money Laundering in Nigeria) smacks of double standards. 3. Granting accelerated response within days to Ibori's defence counsel and then spending one month to even attempt to gather information to reply London Met police is simply sloppy. This is not about attacking British justice system, they can only help Nigeria find justice. They will not impose Justice if our Government does not want one. Here in lies the need to compel the Attorney General to desist from his Clandestine motives. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by almondjoy(f): 4:44pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
McKren: You have many nails on this head of a topic. No one could have put it better. Same thing happened in the Andy Uba case in America. The Nigerian government did not find him wanting in Money laundering schemes so who were they to press the matter? |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 4:58pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
Same thing happened in the Andy Uba case in America. Andy case different. He pleaded with US courts and he was fined for his 'offence' not crime. EFCC should have taken the matter up when Andy arrives in Nigeria and press 'Nigeria' charges against him so that he has a criminal record in Nigeria. As it stands EFCC screwed that again. Andy Uba is free to become whatever in likes in Nigeria since no legal rope on this neck; thats why he contest and won Governorship. In all these cases, I find EFCC liable. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by almondjoy(f): 5:12pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
babasin: And I am glad that Andy Uba is still the governor of Anambra state. I did not know "money laundering" was an offence and not a crime. Back to what Mckren stated-earlier. No government in this world will take us seriously if we glorify some sacred cows and practice selective judiciary to the highest bidder. Why should the government of America worry about Andy Uba, when the Nigerian government was solidly behind him? Not every country is as stupid as Nigeria. Why should they jeopardize their interests by worrying about Nigerian political criminals who are backed up by the Nigerian government? That is why most of them do not take Nigeria seriously. Andy Uba's case spent 3 years in court I believe--all for the arm twisting of the Nigerian government. Who can blame them? |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by IykeD1(m): 6:26pm On Oct 08, 2007 |
So the gist now is not only is the EFCC incompetent but the Brits are incompetent as well? Na wa for our new brand of "rule of law". For the one talking about selectivity, just in case you haven't heard, there is a new leader in Nigeria. If that leader and the AGF is concerned about selectivity in the past, they have a very funny way of going about restoring it. So much for objectivity: assuming the EFCC is that incompetent, nothing smells fishy to you guys on the part of the AGF when he sends a letter to the EFCC on Septemeber 28 (Friday) and hearing for the case was scheduled to begin on October 1 (Monday) which incidentally also happens to be a public holiday in Nigeria, meaning that unless the EFCC was reading the AGF's mind, the earliest they could have responded was on October 2. You guys are funny!!!! One thing is clear though. The fact that this issue refuses to go away and is virtually front page news on most of the dailies is a clear indication that this government and the AGF are on the wrong side of the battle. By a stroke of his pen the AGF has shifted the debate from the very vague "rule of law" to defending its explicit attempt to shield ex-governors from prosecution, the very same thing they have been denying. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by McKren(m): 11:33am On Oct 09, 2007 |
Britain to appeal, seeks more evidence on Ibori , Culled from gaurdian This AGF must truly be living in self delusion or he must think he is the only educated person in Nigeria. That the DPP in Britain urged him to prevail on EFCC to make evidence available translates into exonerating him (AGF) from complicity. God knows what he expects the British Authorities to write. Our Honourable AGF does not even think Nigerians are brilliant enough to compare the Statement that the UK DPP blamed the failure at the court on lengthy time to gather facts, lack of co-operation by the Nigerian Authorities and the fact that he Micheal Aondoakaa only wrote EFCC on September 28th when he recieved a request dated August 30th. He does no even think that Nigerians are smart enough to know that September 28th was a Friday, 29th Saturday, 30th Sunday, Monday 1st October in which the case was going to be decided in London was a Public Holiday in Nigeria. What a school boy spin, those who know Aondoakaa should tell him that the world is a global village. They should also inform him that Nigerians and EFCC are not unmindful of the fact that to fight corruption in Nigeria we have to fight Micheal Aondoakaa first. Heard he will have to gather the evidence available at the EFCC and send to London Met for the appeal. If he tries to edit or replace the dossiers he recieves from EFCC or worst still chooses to bury the whole process in logistics and bureaucracy then he is simply unaware the capabilities of Mallam Nuhu Ribadu. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by McKren(m): 11:35am On Oct 09, 2007 |
Oya over to Saharareporters, We need a copy of the letter from the British Authorities to once again decipher the lies from the truth. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 12:09pm On Oct 09, 2007 |
Well events have now showed that I was correct. "The British Director of Public Prosecution further informed his Nigerian counterpart of the intention to appeal the decision to discharge the restraint order and an application to stay the decision pending determination of appeal. "He further urged the AGF to prevail on the investigating agency in Nigeria to make available to him evidence it has obtained of the offences committed by Mr. Ibori in view of the 'real practical difficulties about getting unimpeded access to evidence obtained by the EFCC in Nigeria.' This is what BP/EFCC should have done earlier instead of you all blaming AGF for reply a letter with true facts. Now let see what Ibori's lawyer will do now. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by McKren(m): 12:25pm On Oct 09, 2007 |
Without any protest from the public Micheal Aondoakaa is capable of replacing or editing any evidence provided for the appeal. As the evidence will still need to go through his office. And talking about being right, what about that statement in the letter [quote[b]]"Underlining the importance of obtaining the evidence, he informed the AGF that non-obtaining may lead to abandoning our 'appeal against discharge of the restraint order.'"[/b] [quote][/quote] |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by McKren(m): 1:35pm On Oct 09, 2007 |
And BBC speaks, Nigeria official's $35m refrozen Gosh someone should Obtain the so called letter Aondoakaa claims the British wrote him which exonerated him from complicity. This AGF is shameless, he is still telling lies, I promise him very soon the details of that letter will be available on the World Wide Web. |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by Nobody: 2:08pm On Oct 09, 2007 |
that guy is threading where even angels fear to thread, though he has treid to save face, the drama continues |
Re: Attorney-general’s Letter Set Ibori Free by babasin(m): 9:40am On Oct 11, 2007 |
Twenty-four hours after President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua announced that he had authorised a visit to Nigeria by the London Metropolitan Police conducting a criminal investigation of Chief James Ibori, the Delta State government has secured a court injunction to halt the process. This should made an interesting 'TV-Series' Lets seat back and see where this drama ends. Btw: I have copyright to this 'TV-Series: The Rich, The Corrupt and The law' |
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