Looking at what is happening, I feel compelled to ask this question. I request lagosshia or anybody who knew the answer to tell me. Who is this Allah? Is Allah as preached by Muslim the same being as JEHOVAH GOD as preached by Christians? To me they are not the same because GOD can’t contradict Himself. (1) God of the Bible said “FOR THOU SHALL NOT KILL” but Muslims said that their Allah gave them instruction to KILL and that is why they are killing.

Is GOD and Allah the same?

^^^^^^^^^ Thou shall not kill in your Bibles and nothing else?

Can you stake losing your religion and reversion into Islam on this? when you put your oath against this, I will InshaAllah tell you things about your Bibles, all the prophets sent to man starting from Adam, then first man, a prophet among his family, then Jesus a slave prophet and messenger of God. Then I will tell you about their prophetic leader, then Allah The God Who created all.

Though shall not kill unjustly; this even disbelievers practice it.

Allah is the Moon god.
Allah was among the 360 gods worshiped by Mohammads tribe In Mekka,even before Mohammad was born,thus he sellected Allah as the one and supreme god,and then used the Bible to make up the Koran so as to look authentic.

Allah has three daughters, Al Uzza, Al llat and Menat.
Mohammads people and family also worshiped Allah before he was born,thus his father's name was Abdu'allah, the Allah in his name showing how subjective he is to the Moon god.Also the Moon god explains why Islam symbol is the crescent Moon.

ALLAH IS NOT THE GOD OF THE BIBLE

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^^ Thou shall not kill in your Bibles and nothing else?

He just raised a single verse. And just that verse denounces Muslims Allah(god) to Christians Yahweh(God)

Can you stake losing your religion and reversion into Islam on this? when you put your oath against this,

Oath against what?

Does it explain why almost half of your Koran contains Killing order and injustice against non-muslims?

Even orders to kill an apostate of Islam.

I will InshaAllah tell you things about your Bibles, all the prophets sent to man starting from Adam, then first man, a prophet among his family, then Jesus a slave prophet and messenger of God. Then I will tell you about their prophetic leader, then Allah The God Who created all.

Though shall not kill unjustly; this even disbelievers practice it.

Muslims are always Wolves in Sheep clothing, pretending to be what they are not.
The tradition originated from your Prophet.

Judek2:

Allah is the Moon god.
Allah was among the 360 gods worshiped by Mohammads tribe In Mekka,even Mohammad was born,thus he sellected Allah as the one and supreme god,and then used the Bible to make up the Koran so as to look authentic.

Allah has three daughters, Al Uzza, Al llat and Menat.
Mohammads people and family also worshiped Allah before he was born,thus his father's name was Abdu'allah, the Allah in his name showing how subjective he is to the Moon god.Also the Moon god explains why Islam symbol is the cryscent Moon.

ALLAH IS NOT GOD OF THE BIBLE

Allah is not the Moon God. Hubal is the Moon God.

The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.

The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant rôle in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.

The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god.

In the 1940's, archaeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F.Albright, Richard Bower, and others excavated sites Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba).

Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them

(North Arabian archaeological finds concerning Al-Lat are discussed in: Isaac Rabinowitz, Aramaic Inscriptions of the Fifth Century, JNES, XV, 1956, pp.1-9; Another Aramaic Record of the North Arabian goddess Han'Llat, JNES, XVIII, 1959, pp.154-55; Edward Linski, The Goddess Atirat in Ancient Arabia, in Babylon and in Ugarit: Her Relation to the Moon-god and the Sun-goddess, Orientalia Lovaniensia Periodica, 3:101-9; H.J.Drivers, Iconography and Character of the Arab Goddess Allat, found in Études Preliminaries Aux Religions Orientales Dans L'Empire Roman, ed. Maarten J. Verseren, Leiden, Brill, 1978, pp.331-51). (You can search for the full text via google)

The archaeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion in Arabia was the cult of the moon-god represented by Allah

When the popularity of the moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the moon-god. This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism.

The moon-god was called al-ilah, the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle has Allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their parents proves that Allah was the title for the moon-god even in Muhammad's day.

Muhammad was raised in the religion of the moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah the moon-god was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in the pantheon of deities,Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only God.

This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest" - he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the greatest except in a polytheistic (many gods) context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser.

That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. Thus "Allah" was the moon-god according to the archaeological evidence. (Encyclopedia of Religion) "The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)

Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians he said that Allah was their God, too. But both the Jews and the Christians, who worshipped Yahweh, knew better and they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat (Three Early Christian-Muslim Debates, ed. by N.A.Newman, Hatfield, PA, IBRI, 1994, pp.357, 413, 426).

History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess. We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?
It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed. It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca.

As we have seen, and as is acknowledged amongst all scholars of Middle Eastern religious history, the worship of the moon-god extended far beyond Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in moon-worship. The data falls neatly in place and we are able therefore to understand, in part, the early success Islam had amongst Arab groups that had traditionally worshipped Allah, the moon-god. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa, and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshipped as the moon-god in Mecca.

Is it any wonder that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

What is His Name? His Name is ALLAH (EVEN IN THE BIBLE)!!!

See below for evidence:Allah appears in the Bible and the tetragrammaton from which the pressumed word "Jehovah" is formed also appears in the Quran.

http://www.institutealislam.com/what-is-his-name-by-sheikh-ahmed-deedat/

"Jehovah" is a pressumption from the tetgrammaton or "four letters" (YHWH) by injecting vowels.those four letters are not articulated.also,if you search deep you will know that the tetgrammaton (YHWH) is not a word but an adjective phrase refering/describing the uniqueness to/of the One Almighty God who is Unseen.YHWH refers to "He that is Present" or "Oh He (who is)" in literal arabic and hebrew.the tetragrammaton can also be found in the Holy Quran in several places by the phrase "Qul HoWaH[/b]Allahu" which means "Say[b] He is Allahu"!

the prefix,"YA" is an exclamation in semitic languages meaning "Oh".if you add "Ya" to "HoWaH" it becomes "YaHoWaH" (YHWH).

"HoWaH"="He is"!


so[b] YaHoWah[/b]="Oh He (who is)".

what hapens is simply injecting vowels into the letters (YHWH) in order to make the letters pronounceable.

ogoamaka99:

Looking at what is happening, I feel compelled to ask this question. I request lagosshia or anybody who knew the answer to tell me. Who is this Allah? Is Allah as preached by Muslim the same being as JEHOVAH GOD as preached by Christians? To me they are not the same because GOD can’t contradict Himself. (1) God of the Bible said “FOR THOU SHALL NOT KILL” but Muslims said that their Allah gave them instruction to KILL and that is why they are killing.

Is GOD and Allah the same?

in my words, the word "Allah" is the arabic word and the Islamic name of the One,Unique,Unseen,Almighty Creator of everyone and everything.even arab christians use that name to refer to God Almighty Creator.

the word "Jehovah" is not mentioned once in the new testament.the tetragrammaton from which the word "Jehovah" is derived does not appear in the new testament.looks like Jesus did not know the name of his father!!!also,the word was unheard of and unarticulated before the 16th century.

your contention is that God in the bible said "thou shall not kill".i believe the correct commandment is "thou shall not commit murder".i will go ahead where "Jehovah" commanded people to kill,where people kill in his name and where he himself killed all from the bible.then i would like you to tell us what do you think!!!!

Jehovah Commanding to kill:
Numbers 31:17-18
Now kill all the boys (in Midian). And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Killing in Jehovah's name:
Hosea 13:16
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

Jehovah himself on killing spree of his "chosen people",i.e.the israelites:
1 Samuel 6:19
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

[size=18pt]Does Allah in the Quran tell us to kill innocent (non-combatants,women,children,elderly) people?[/size]

HOLY QURAN 5:32:
whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

HOLY QURAN 2:190:
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

HOLY QURAN 7:55:
(O mankind!) Call upon your Lord humbly and in secret. Lo! He loveth not aggressors.

HOLY QURAN 8:61:
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)."

HOLY QURAN 5:2:
" , and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment."

HOLY QURAN 41:34:
"Nor can Goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!"

HOLY QURAN 4:135:
"O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do."

HOLY QURAN 16:90
"God advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed."

HOLY QURAN 16:126:
"And if ye do punish them, punish them no worse than they punished you: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient."

HOLY QURAN 21:107:
"And we have not sent you but as a mercy for the world"

brentkruge:

Is it any wonder that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

as we can see,christians are not only brainwashed in believing the foolish their doctrines present and the fallcies they are indoctrinated with,but also to keep them as "loyal sheep" and steadfast in christianity,they are brainwash with lies about Islam and misinformed about Islam to keep them away.

regarding the crescent moon that muslims use in Islam,this is what history tells us:

"The crescent was not a symbol used for Islam by Muhammad, as Islam is against appointing "Holy Symbols" (so that during the early centuries of Islam, Muslim authorities simply didn't want any geometric symbols to be used to symbolize Islam, in the way that the cross symbolizes Christianity, the menorah was a commonly-occurring symbol of Judaism, etc.). This is why early Islamic coins were covered with Arabic writing, but contained no visual symbols".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_Islam#Star_and_Crescent

lagoshsia:, jaza kumu lahu khairan

as for the wet-dreamers alleging "moon god" and dreaming wild,you need to take a look at how i treated this allegation in another thread.an allegation which is used to brainwash and control the christian sheep:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=839098.msg9901671#msg9901671

prodam:

lagoshsia:, jaza kumu lahu khairan

ameen brother!

may Allah reward bountifully!!!

[size=28pt]Allah is the creator![/size]

Allah cannot be the moon god simply because HE says in the Qur'an he created the moon, I believe people who can reason will understand!

[size=14pt]What Does the Quran Say About Allah (swt)?[/size]

Holy Quran 59:22-24
"He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, Knower of the unseen and the witnessed. He is the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him.He is Allah , the Creator, the Inventor, the Fashioner; to Him belong the best names. Whatever is in the heavens and earth is exalting Him. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise".

Holy Quran 17:110
"Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you call - to Him belong the best names." And do not recite [too] loudly in your prayer or [too] quietly but seek between that an [intermediate] way".

Holy Quran 2:255
"Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great".

ALLAH is not the GOD of the BIBLE.


God forbid it be so !!!!

frosbel:

ALLAH is not the GOD of the BIBLE.


God forbid it be so !!!!

definitely!!!

Allah is mentioned in your bible.but not the 3 gods you have come to believe in.Allah is not a man or a jew god christians worship.

The conception of God in Judaism is strictly monotheistic. God is an absolute one indivisible incomparable being who is the ultimate cause of all existence. Jewish tradition teaches that the true aspect of God is incomprehensible and unknowable, and that it is only God's revealed aspect that brought the universe into existence, and interacts with mankind and the world. In Judaism, the one God of Israel is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who is the guide of the world, delivered Israel from slavery in Egypt, and gave them the 613 Mitzvot at Mount Sinai as described in the Torah. He also gave the Seven Laws of Noah to all human-kind.

The God of Israel has a proper name, written YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎) in the Jewish Bible. The name YHWH literally means "The Existent One" and relates to God as God truly is, God's revealed essence, which transcends the universe, it also represents God's compassion towards the world. In Jewish tradition another name of God is Elohim, relating to the interaction between God and the universe, God as manifest in the physical world, it designates the justice of God, and means "the One who is the totality of powers, forces and causes in the universe".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism

this is the God that Jesus worship, it is you Christians that need to examine whether you are polytheist or not?

Allah is a meteorite that crashed out the sky in the 6th century ad.

lepasharon:

Allah is a meteorite that crashed out the sky in the 6th century ad.

and you are the devil crashing against a computer keyboard in the 21st century CE.

LagosShia:

as we can see,christians are not only brainwashed in believing the foolish their doctrines present and the fallcies they are indoctrinated with,but also to keep them as "loyal sheep" and steadfast in christianity,they are brainwash with lies about Islam and misinformed about Islam to keep them away.

regarding the crescent moon that muslims use in Islam,this is what history tells us:

"The crescent was not a symbol used for Islam by Muhammad, as Islam is against appointing "Holy Symbols" (so that during the early centuries of Islam, Muslim authorities simply didn't want any geometric symbols to be used to symbolize Islam, in the way that the cross symbolizes Christianity, the menorah was a commonly-occurring symbol of Judaism, etc.). This is why early Islamic coins were covered with Arabic writing, but contained no visual symbols".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_Islam#Star_and_Crescent

Unforturnately anyone (including Muslims who want to hide the truth) can edit Wikipedia and hide the truth. i need historocal quotations.

See the wikipedia articles has the following flaws:

(1) It can be editted by just about anybody so any apologists can write any nonsense;

(2) Wikipedia itself noted this in the article when it CAUTIONED "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed."

(3) For the whole of that important section, only two sources were quoted which had to do with (a) the symbol on the crown of persian rulers and (b) the symbol was used in preislamic era of southern Arabia. None of the quotation had to do with DEBUNKING the pegan origin and its importation to ISLAM

(4) The only source the writer used supported my assertion is the following "The crescent and star have long been used in pre-Islamic South Arabia as a symbol and in their coinage." Which means that the symbols had a meaning in the idolatory days of preislamic Arabia.

It leads me still to the conclusion that Allah had pagan origins and the symbols used to denote the religion are of pagan background borrowed from the pre Islamic pagan practices of Arabia. It therefore a reasonable conclusion that Allsh existed among the gods of Arabia before Mohammed ''heard'' from angels and elevated Allah to be worshiped as today

LagosShia:

definitely!!!

Allah is mentioned in your bible.but not the 3 gods you have come to believe in.Allah is not a man or a jew god christians worship.

Ahmed Deedat and his delusions! that man had fertile imagination!

I used to like listening to him before, soon i realized he made just no sense. To those who bother to research, he provided comical relief.

vedaxcool:

[size=28pt]Allah is the creator![/size]

Allah cannot be the moon god simply because HE says in the Qur'an he created the moon, I believe people who can reason will understand!

According to the Quran, Allah can deceive:

Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them. And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. S. 4:142 Hilali-Khan
And (the unbelievers) schemed and planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is Allah. S. 3:54

Remember how the unbelievers schemed against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or to slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They scheme and plot, but the best of schemers is Allah. S. 8:30

According to the Quran Allah reveals a verse only to have it canceled out a short time later, Is he not sure of Himself?:

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar- Knowest thou not that Allah has power over all things? S. 2:106

When We substitute one revelation for another- and Allah knowest best what He reveals (in stages)- They say, "Thou art but a forger"; But most of them understand not. S. 16:101

By degrees shall We teach thee (Muhammad) to declare (the Message) so thou shalt not forget, except as Allah Wills: For He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden. And We will make it easy for thee (to follow) the simple (Path).

It becomes obvious that certain parts of the revelation given to Muhammad will eventually be caused to be forgotten, since Allah later willed it.
This leaves us with the difficulty of having a God who does not remain consistent and often changes his revealed purpose. This being the case, how is one to know that the promises of such a Being in regards to eternal security can be trusted? Just as he changes his mind in relation to the revelation, he can also decide to change his mind in regards to the believer's ultimate destiny without anything stopping him from doing so.

vedaxcool:

Allah cannot be the moon god simply because HE says in the Qur'an he created the moon, I believe people who can reason will understand!

allah cannot be the moon god simply because he says? what sort of non-argument is this?

brentkruge:

According to the Quran, Allah can deceive:

Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them. And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. S. 4:142 Hilali-Khan
And (the unbelievers) schemed and planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is Allah. S. 3:54

Remember how the unbelievers schemed against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or to slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They scheme and plot, but the best of schemers is Allah. S. 8:30

first before i touch on the meanings,i'd like to point that you are mistranslating those verses by the usage of ill-intended words.for instance using the word  "schemer" instead of "planner".

God is capable of guiding anyone.the verses you are quoting simply tell you of the power of God to make you believe like a robot if He so wills.

the verses also inform you that there are disbelievers so evil that God Himself has justly punished them by making sure they do not believe because they are evil.


let me show you verses of the Quran that clearly show that it is in the hands of man to do good and evil and to believe or disbelieve:


Surah 29:69
"As for [b]those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good".

Surah 25:57
"Say: I ask of you no reward for this, save that whoso will may choose a way unto his Lord.

Surah 45:22
"And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth, and that every soul may be repaid what it hath earned.And they will not be wronged.

Surah 2:26
"Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude ? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;

Surah 14:27
"Allah confirmeth those who believe by a firm saying in the life of the world and in the Hereafter, and Allah sendeth wrong-doers astray. And Allah doeth what He will".

Does the Bible God tempt people or not?
Genesis 22:1 and James 1:13
God tempted Abraham (Genesis 22:1) - "Now it came about after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."

The KJV says, "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am"
God tempts no one (James 1:13) - "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone."



BIBLE GOD DELUDES!
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



BIBLE GOD DECEIVES HIS PROPHETS
Ezekiel 14:9
9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.



BIBLE GOD LEADING PEOPLE ASTRAY
John 12:40
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.


Isaiah 6:10
10Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.


Isaiah 29:10
10For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

brentkruge:


Unforturnately anyone (including Muslims who want to hide the truth) can edit Wikipedia and hide the truth. i need historocal quotations.

See the wikipedia articles has the following flaws:

(1) It can be editted by just about anybody so any apologists can write any nonsense;

(2) Wikipedia itself noted this in the article when it CAUTIONED "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed."

(3) For the whole of that important section, only two sources were quoted which had to do with (a) the symbol on the crown of persian rulers and (b) the symbol was used in preislamic era of southern Arabia. None of the quotation had to do with DEBUNKING the pegan origin and its importation to ISLAM

(4) The only source the writer used supported my assertion is the following "The crescent and star have long been used in pre-Islamic South Arabia as a symbol and in their coinage." Which means that the symbols had a meaning in the idolatory days of preislamic Arabia.

It leads me still to the conclusion that Allah had pagan origins and the symbols used to denote the religion are of pagan background borrowed from the pre Islamic pagan practices of Arabia. It therefore a reasonable conclusion that Allsh existed among the gods of Arabia before Mohammed ''heard'' from angels and elevated Allah to be worshiped as today

see further:

For many people the image of the crescent moon and Islam go hand-in-hand. The two have become so entwined in the popular imagination that it’s lead some to believe that Muslims worship a moon god, which isn’t true.

Muslims worship Allah who they believe is also the god of the Jews and Christians. But how did the two, the moon and Islam, become so closely associated? It all goes back to the Ottomans.

The Muslim Ottoman Empire controlled large swaths of the Middle East and North Africa when, as any empire builders, they decided they wanted to expand and the territory they wanted was in Europe – eventually they would come to control Greece, much of the Balkans and portions of eastern Europe.

On the Ottoman flag was the crescent moon – a symbol the Turks adopted from the city of Constantinople after conquering it. Because the crescent moon was the symbol for the Ottomans, it also became the symbol for Muslims in general for many in the West.

It has since been adopted by some Muslim nations – finding its way onto the flags of countries as diverse as Malaysia, Pakistan and Algeria. Although some in the Muslim community reject the crescent moon because it can be seen as a pagan symbol.
http://muslimvoices.org/crescent-moon-islam/

and:

The crescent moon and star is an internationally-recognized symbol of the faith of Islam. The symbol is featured on the flags of several Muslim countries, and is even part of the official emblem for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. The Christians have the cross, the Jews have the star of David, and the Muslims have the crescent moon, right?
What is the history behind the crescent moon symbol? What does it symbolize or mean? How and when did it become associated with the faith of Islam? Is it a valid symbol for the faith?

The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.

The city of Byzantium (later known as Constantinople and Istanbul) adopted the crescent moon as its symbol. According to some reports, they chose it in honor of the goddess Diana. Others indicate that it dates back to a battle in which the Romans defeated the Goths on the first day of a lunar month. In any event, the crescent moon was featured on the city's flag even before the birth of Christ.

The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.

For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people's minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.

Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/crescent_moon.htm

brentkruge:

According to the Quran Allah reveals a verse only to have it canceled out a short time later, Is he not sure of Himself?:

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar- Knowest thou not that Allah has power over all things? S. 2:106

this verse speaks of "revelations".for instances under Jesus and Moses (as),their "muslim" followers do not use to fast during the month of Ramadan,but we muslims do presently.also,the jews were commanded to pray thrice.we muslims presently do five times.

we also see in the old testament verdicts to stone the adulterer and kill the apostate.yet even when both Paul and Jesus supported these two laws respectively in the new testament,presently christians claim that they are no longer under mosaic law and do not follow the old testament law because they say they are under a so called "new covenant".and Jesus said "i came to fulfill the law".here we are even talking of laws which do not change as also the Quran tells us that the laws do not change but practices under the law could change or be modified with time as i pointed out to the number of times of praying for instance.

also,in Islam,the early muslims faced Jerusalem while praying as Qiblah.later they were commanded to face Makkah.but both Jerusalem and Makkah support and function as "Qiblah" and the law is to face a Qiblah approved by God.so the law is the same but the practice modified.

let us see commentary for the verse 2:106:

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:106]
Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Naskh, as a Quranic term, means substitution of one current law by another. It is called bada if the substitution is in the law of creation, and naskh if it is in the law of legislation.

Substitution has been effected in "creation" as well as in "legislation". The sudden changes in the course of creation, caused by the supreme will of Allah, a factor apparently incomprehensible for the human intellect, are known as miracles - like the birth of Adam and Isa, and the extraordinary performances carried out by the prophets and divinely chosen representatives of Allah. These miracles cannot be taken as effects without any cause, but are caused by a factor inconceivable by the human intellect. The effect of the creature's prayer in the course of providence is also based on the phenomenon of bada. These types of activities on the part of the creatures are a reaction to the divine action. They are governed by the possibility of bada, provided there is no contradiction. For example the "creation of a self-existing being" is a self-contradictory idea. Allah alone is the self-existing creator, and what He creates cannot be self-existing. The term "creation" itself suggests that it is not self-existing but was created whereas the term "self-existing" means that it was not created by anyone. Another example is of an "even number". It is impossible to stop it from being divided into two equal whole numbers. In view of the infinite power, possibilities and potentialities at the command of Allah it has been believed and accepted that every known operation in the creation can be changed, substituted or abrogated by His supreme will or action. The human knowledge may not comprehend the use of that which has happened and that which will happen, in the sphere of bada. It must be kept in mind that there can be no limitation to the power and ability of Allah. Imam Ali ibna Abi Talib says: "Allah has effected changes (bada) and will also effect many changes in the operation (system) of the universe."

Change {Naskh) in the "legislation" became necessary due to the gradual development of the human society. Though the spirit might have been the same but the laws and teachings for mankind in a developed society had to be other than what they were in the primitive age. The conditions and circumstances of a particular age do not appear again. There are teachings, applicable in every age, but they, keeping the essential spirit intact, take to new forms till they reach the final stage. From Adam to Muhammad, the divinely appointed teachers took into consideration the receptive capacity of the people. For example prophet Isa, knowing the limitations of his people, put off the delivery of the final message and asked them to wait for the promised prophet.

There is still much that I could say to you, but the burden would be too great for you now. However, when he comes who is the spirit of truth, he will guide you into all the truth: for he will not speak on his own authority, but will tell only what he hears; and he will make known to you the things that are coming.

(John 16: 19 and 13)

The divine order "to do" or "not to do" a thing is based upon reason - alms should be given for helping the poor; or liquor is prohibited in order to avoid its ill-effects. The justifying reason is in the thing ordered to be done or not to be done.

Sometimes the justifying reason is in the order itself. This is true of the orders issued merely as a test of the obedience of the believers. For example, the change in the direction of Qiblah was made (Baqarah: 149) to test the obedience of the believers; or when prophet Ibrahim was asked to sacrifice his son

In the first category naskh takes place only when the substitution is necessary in view of the new development. In the second category change is made, without making less its scope and intensity, so that it may fully serve the purpose of the trial. Through naskh as well as bada the withdrawal of the previous procedure or legislation is made known. If the time-limit has already been prescribed for any law or procedure then the term naskh or bada cannot be used. Every aspect of the creation or the legislation, together with their possible manifestations, are known to the creator. Naskh or bada (substitution) cannot be attributed to Allah's ignorance or change of mind. These terms are used in relation to the creatures' knowledge of the divine will. Some orders or processes carry the restriction of the period of validity at the time of their revelation in which case the term bada or naskh cannot be applied. Sometimes it manifests afterwards. In both cases of naskh and bada, the change or substitution means notification of the discontinuation of the procedure or legislation which was in force. In connection with the events of creation or the procedures of legislation the prophets of Allah, now and then, received definite revelations about the taking place of an event, with its details, without any possibility of any change; and at times the nature of the predictions of the consequences of an act was indefinite, which, subject to conditions, could be changed. When the development reaches the ultimate stage, as verse 115 of al An-am says, there is no changing in His words. In the gradual revelation of the laws to the Holy Prophet, no abrogation of any portion of the Quran has been effected. It is generally believed that some Quranic laws, had been abrogated by its own verses, or by the sayings of the Holy Prophet; a list of which has been prepared by the jurists and the commentators, but the context of the traditions, in view of the external evidence, has been, with ulterior motives, twisted and misapplied. A careful study of the Quran with a thorough knowledge of the conclusively proved laws of the faith, passed on to us by the Holy Ahl ul Bayt, the divinely chosen purified custodians of the word of Allah, makes clear the view and proves that there are very few, not exceeding five, abrogations; and even those cannot be described as real or actual naskh. For example the order to pay alms in verse 12 of al Mujadalah was given to test the sincerity of the persons who wanted to meet and talk to the Holy Prophet privately, because most of the companions, without any reason at all, sought his audience for the sake of personal vanity. After this order none paid the prescribed alms save Ali. The purpose of the test was to make public the insincerity of the companions, therefore, it was removed when their deception was proved. This order was totally withdrawn, after condemning the niggardly attitude of the companions, in verse 13 of al Mujadalah. This order resembles the order given to prophet Ibrahim to sacrifice his son. When it was proved beyond doubt that Ibrahim was certainly carrying out the divine command, the order was withheld (Saffat: 103 to 107). In the same manner when only Ali carried out the order of verse 12 of al Mujadalah, it was proved that he alone, and no one else among the companions, was in the category of prophet Ibrahim, therefore, the order was withdrawn.

As the Holy Prophet said, theoretically his sayings could change or substitute (naskh) the Quranic laws. Such change or abrogation can be accepted if reported on the authority of the thoroughly purified Ahl ul Bayt, because traditions reported through other sources are conflicting and spurious.

In every age, among all human societies, in different parts of the earth, the representatives of Allah were sent to put in order the affairs of the people through laws applicable to the time and environment in which they lived. Ability of man to apply reason and understand things and events progressed and advanced with the passage of time, therefore, certain laws and commandments (pertaining to theoretical, practical, intellectual, religious and legal matters concerning day to day life) which bring harmony and peace in every aspect of existence upon the earth, as well as make man ready to explore the higher regions of spiritual satisfaction, in certain cases and circumstances had to be changed or substituted to pave way for further progress. At last the last messenger of Allah, the greatest and the most manifest sign of Allah (the term Ayat or sign taken in a broader and higher sense means the best human soul created), endowed with the divine wisdom, power and authority, was sent to give effect to the concluding part of the plan of educating and training for the final unification of mankind through the true knowledge of the immediate as well as the ultimate. In the chain of the prophets of Allah, among whom some had been made to excel others (Baqarah: 253), the last prophet, Muhammad al Mustafa, the superior-most, the seal of prophethood, came with the final discipline and guidance. Once the development had reached its maximum height, there remained no need for any further change of any kind. Therefore, no prophet was sent after his departure (see commentary of verse 7 of al Fatihah), but a man like him, after him, is necessary as an Imam, in every age, for the authentic, true, and proper explanation of the word of Allah, the Quran, and also to serve as an ideal to guide and keep mankind on the right path. The following saying of the Holy Prophet is a true interpretation of this verse:

The first of us is Muhammad,

the middle of us is Muhammad,

the last of us is Muhammad,

everyone of us is Muhammad.

Only men of understanding know that the same quality of divine energy which activated the prophethood was also manifested in imamat with equal force.



http://quran.al-islam.org/

When We substitute one revelation for another- and Allah knowest best what He reveals (in stages)- They say, "Thou art but a forger"; But most of them understand not. S. 16:101

By degrees shall We teach thee (Muhammad) to declare (the Message) so thou shalt not forget, except as Allah Wills: For He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden. And We will make it easy for thee (to follow) the simple (Path).

It becomes obvious that certain parts of the revelation given to Muhammad will eventually be caused to be forgotten, since Allah later willed it.
This leaves us with the difficulty of having a God who does not remain consistent and often changes his revealed purpose. This being the case, how is one to know that the promises of such a Being in regards to eternal security can be trusted? Just as he changes his mind in relation to the revelation, he can also decide to change his mind in regards to the believer's ultimate destiny without anything stopping him from doing so.

wrong interpretation again!

"The Collection and Preservation of the Qur'an" [/b]by  Ayatullah Sayyid Abul Qasim al Khui
http://www.al-islam.org/tahrif_quran/ 

[b]"The Qur'an:Its Protection from Alteration" by Sayyid Sa'eed Akhtar Rizvi:
http://www.al-islam.org/protection/

"The Teachings of the Qur'an "
http://www.al-islam.org/quraninislam/2.htm

Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)

Then, originally, the verses (known today as the satanic verses) followed:

These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) Whose intercession is to be hoped for.

The cranes whose intercession was recognized were, of course, the three deities. The same accounts tell us that after this revelation was completed, Muhammad, his followers and the pagan Arabs all prostrated.
Tensions eased, reconciliation was at hand, and all were delighted. But Muhammad soon retracted the reconciliation—how soon is not clear. For the account continues that Jibril (Gabriel), the angel of revelation, informed Muhammad that Satan had used Muhammad's desire for reconciliation with the pagan leaders to insert into the revelation of God the verses about the interceding cranes, otherwise called "the satanic verses".
The verses which follow, not the satanic verses, serve as
the proper sequence to 53:19,20 (above):

Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)
In other words: When you Arabs have sons (whom you prefer to
daughters!), how unfair of you to say that God has daughters! The idea of a plurality of gods or goddesses or sons or daughters of God is ridiculous.

He claimed that Allah has no daughters,and they are mare illusions formed by their Fathers. This shows that they have been worshiping the same Allah and his daughters,but mohammad rejected the daughters to make Allah partnerless.

He also uses this to convince christians that God has no son,(Jesus) was just a man,and a prophet like him. His aim was to make Christians not to believe in Jesus as the son of the true God,cos he said,"He who rejects the Son rejects rejects the Father also,and he who sees me has seen my Father".
If Christians reject Jesus,they have rejected the true God,thereby accepting Allah as god.

Satan has many tricks to make people reject Jesus and therefore rejecting the true God.Mohammad was a very useful trick.
Satan is deciever and so Allah,afterall the Koran states that Allah is the best deciever.