elampiro:

World greatest footballers ever have played with pace and power.
Pele
Maradona
Ronaldo
Messi
Di Lima

read my comment again,did you see were i typed strength is not needed in football?football strength goes with effectiveness with the football, flair, agility,technique, positioning, et al, these guys you name above have things in common; agility n flair/pace which make them great in the world of football...rooney is average in technique, flair, pace n effectiveness/ball awareness,dispossess short pass almost every time, he is only good(not excellence) at work rate(running around like headless chicken), he doesnt even play shot anymore.You think SAF is stupid to drop rooney in his last season for man utd huh!.

coogar:

except that there's a school of thought here with the notion that pawa beats skills hands down every time.

the ideal united team for them would be....

-------------begovic-------------
richards--jones--mangala--taiwo
--------fernando--matic---------
--valencia-----toure-------hulk--
------------andy caroll------------

they are convinced this team will win consecutive league titles & be the first team ever to retain the champions league since 92.

this is not too bad oo, forget. except they wont score too many, they can make do with better, less-pawaful strikers tho

elampiro: The best footballers ever have played with power:

Di Lima
Messi
Ronaldo
Pele
Maradona
Jair
Robben
Mascherno
Di Maria
Ribery
Staam

what i am trying to say is that the strength applied when playing football should be effective with the ball, football strength goes with effectiveness with the ball, flair, agility,technique, positioning, et al, and what is di maria doing on that list? who crown him the best? or you just added him cos you are united fan right? un a don start o

hensben: read my comment again, these guys you name above have two things in common; agility n flair/pace which make them great in the world of football...rooney is average in technique, flair, pace n effectiveness/ball awareness,dispossess short pass almost every time, he is only good(not excellence) at work rate(running around like headless chicken), he doesnt even play shot anymore.You think SAF is stupid to drop rooney in his last season for man utd huh!.

THIS
im yet to understand why

SailorXY:
THIS
im yet to understand why

in the last 18 months, rooney's shots don't travel further than 2 yards. they all get blocked cos he's too daft - he makes it too obvious he wants to shoot & the markers just throw a leg or their backs to block his shot.

hensben: read my comment again,did you see were i typed strength is not needed in football?football strength goes with effectiveness with the football, flair, agility,technique, positioning, et al, these guys you name above have things in common; agility n flair/pace which make them great in the world of football...rooney is average in technique, flair, pace n effectiveness/ball awareness,dispossess short pass almost every time, he is only good(not excellence) at work rate(running around like headless chicken), he doesnt even play shot anymore.You think SAF is stupid to drop rooney in his last season for man utd huh!.

That's your judgment.

SAF never dropped Rooney. He only benched him in one match.

So what flair does Ronaldo and Di Lima have other than pace and shooting accuracy?

You said Rooney doesn't play shot. Does RVP play shots? Rooney used his left foot to take good two shots against Leicester but they were blocked. He has most goals from outside the box almost every season. Do you watch football sef?

coogar:

in the last 18 months, rooney's shots don't travel further than 2 yards. they all get blocked cos he's too daft - he makes it too obvious he wants to shoot & the markers just throw a leg or their backs to block his shot.

Rooney has more goals from distance than RVP.

In the last 5 years, Rooney has more goals from outside the box than any striker in the EPL.

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* What flair does Mata exhibit? Nil. Someone who cannot dribble an opponent. A 25 years old cannot dribble shame. 25 years old cannot run. Just depending on safe passes.

I don't even think hensben watch our matches sef. When has Mata performed as Rooney did yesterday, in terms of flair?

elampiro:

That's your judgment.

SAF never dropped Rooney. He only benched him in one match.

So what flair does Ronaldo and Di Lima have other than pace and shooting accuracy?

You said Rooney doesn't play shot. Does RVP play shots? Rooney used his left foot to take good two shots against Leicester but they were blocked. He has most goals from outside the box almost every season. Do you watch football sef?

read my comment again(try to comprehend words very well before 'liping'), i said 'rooney doesnt have shot anymore ', his shots are predictable therefore,defenders always block it unlike before.

elampiro:

That's your judgment.

SAF never dropped Rooney. He only benched him in one match.

So what flair does Ronaldo and Di Lima have other than pace and shooting accuracy?

You said Rooney doesn't play shot. Does RVP play shots? Rooney used his left foot to take good two shots against Leicester but they were blocked. He has most goals from outside the box almost every season. Do you watch football sef?

@emboldened, LIES!!! SAF benched him most of the game, he was been sub. on most times, rooney was even angry that he wanted to leave but moyes makes him king again by earning what his game doesnt deserve, now LVG makes him captain...so you dont even know football flair, i am not sure if you have played football before, if not, you ought to know cr7 and most especially de lima ronaldo have flair in abundance.

hensben: @emboldened, LIES!!! SAF benched him most of the game, he was been sub. on most times...so you dont even know football flair, i am not sure if you have played football before, if not, you ought to know cr7 and most especially de lima ronaldo have flair in abundance.

Apart from Madrid which SAF explained why, mention any other game. Hope you are aware Rooney took time off towards the tail end of 2012/13 season after he played the Villa game which won us the title?

hensben: read my comment again(try to comprehend words very well before 'liping'), i said 'rooney doesnt have shot anymore ', his shots are predictable therefore,defenders always block it unlike before.

But he still scores more goals from withdrawn position than RVP. Against QPR he scored from outside the box.

Our games have been difficult, hence everyone couldn't find space to shoot, but he still beats RVP, and I read he's the best in EPL from scoring from distance.

In 2011/12 Rooney scored more from far. RVP were from very close range. In 2012/13 Rooney scored only 12 goals and he was still said to have high return from far as compared to other EPL strikers.

elampiro:

Apart from Madrid which SAF explained why, mention any other game. Hope you are aware Rooney took time off towards the tail end of 2012/13 season after he played the Villa game which won us the title?

rooney is average, english media always make most of their players to feel like football greats, if they can hype andy carrol were liverpool signed him for 35mil pounds or is it shaw(a 19 year old who is not a starter at national team,who played for southampton, he doesn't even has big tournament experience like UCL,) says it all about english players and their media.

Why do people love distorting facts? Pay attention to the last paragraph:
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Falcao, Rooney and Van Persie – A Statistical Comparison

Sep 03, 2014⁠  Aashish Murali⁠ 13,409 Views ⁠

Wayne Rooney played up top predominantly or often played off the centre-forward, where he was able to be more expressive with fewer defensive duties. His productivity was decent enough if not exceptional, he managed to average 0.63 goals every 90 minutes – his set pieces were up a notch and he was also able to rack up a good number of assists – averaging 0.37 assists per 90 minutes, which is well above what Falcao managed at Atletico.  Shading the aerial goals per 90 minutes statistic with an average of 0.11 per 90, Rooney has managed to win fewer aerial duels than his counterparts.

Rooney certainly is more equipped than the other two when it comes to shooting from distance and getting something out of it, has managed to score more goals from outside the box than the other two, comfortably.

EPLindex analysis.

hensben: rooney is average, english media always make most of their players to feel like football greats, if they can hype andy carrol were liverpool signed him for 35mil pounds or is it shaw(a 19 year old who is not a starter at national team,who played for southampton, he doesn't even has big tournament experience like UCL,) says it all about english players and their media.

rooney is below average......
wekbeck, sterling, sturridge are currently better. he's shyte all through these days.

coogar:

rooney is below average......
wekbeck, sterling, sturridge are currently better. he's shyte all through these days.

thats true!

hensben: rooney is average, english media always make most of their players to feel like football greats, if they can hype andy carrol were liverpool signed him for 35mil pounds or is it shaw(a 19 year old who is not a starter at national team,who played for southampton, he doesn't even has big tournament experience like UCL,) says it all about english players and their media.

You aren't talking facts. You are talking like someone brainwashed with bleach, you are almost like a certain guy on this thread brainwashed with acid.

Carol ko Karol ni. How much was Torres bought? Crespo flopped, Chevcheko flopped, Folan flopped in United, Veron, etc.

* Rooney has earned his name. No Man United player has his goals record against European oppositions. It's only Madrid he has not scored against, but he wasn't given the opportunity. Played out of position in Madrid and sat on the bench at home.

He has scored great goals and winning goals against EPL top teams eroute to winning titles. In 2010/11 he destroyed teams in the run in. He has done things over the years t have earned his name.

His only mistake was being selfless. If he learnt early to fight for a box role, he could have been scoring 30 goals every year while he was much sharper. But he was a hunter.

hensben: thats true!

english media had a role to play here too. overhyping rubbish & putting a whole lot of pressure on his shoulders. then rooney didn't manage himself well too. his lifestyle is nothing to write home about. he drinks beer like a fish, he smokes like a chimney & he's never fit at the start of a season....

even ashley young has scored more goals outside the box than rooney in the last 5 years.

All I know is that Rooney has more goals outside the box than any other EPL striker in the last 5 years. I dnt know about Ashley Young. Someone who scores 3 goals per season.

elampiro:

You aren't talking facts. You are talking like someone brainwashed with bleach, you are almost like a certain guy on this thread brainwashed with acid.

Carol ko Karol ni. How much was Torres bought? Crespo flopped, Chevcheko flopped, Folan flopped in United, Veron, etc.

* Rooney has earned his name. No Man United player has his goals record against European oppositions. It's only Madrid he has not scored against, but he wasn't given the opportunity. Played out of position in Madrid and sat on the bench at home.

He has scored great goals and winning goals against EPL top teams eroute to winning titles. In 2010/11 he destroyed teams in the run in. He has done things over the years t have earned his name.

His only mistake was being selfless. If he learnt early to fight for a box role, he could have been scoring 30 goals every year while he was much sharper. But he was a hunter.

do you even know my argument about rooney that playing him as no 10 is waste, he is either use as top 9 when playing 4-3-3 formation or play him with a striker up front(i.e, 2 strikers like falcao n rvp in last game) when playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 or 4-1-2-1-2(LVG's formation in last game) formations.... giving excuse that he works hard bla bla bla is bs.. A no 10 is suppose to possess intelligent passes in his legs, decisive passes at final third to strikers like mata or herrera, work horses in a team are DMF and Box to B ox not no 10 though, everybody track back when on pressure or opponent want to take corner(except maybe one winger cos of counter attack)...when carrick is back or after signing strootman man utd formation should be; (4-1-2-1-2): de gea; rafael, rojo/jones, evans/smalling,shaw/rojo; strootman/blind; blind,di maria; mata/herrera; falcao, rooney/RVP.

GSOB = goals scored outside the box.










there's no wayne rooney on the list - the article you are quoting only focused on one season - the season RVP was mostly injured was used to boost rooney's numbers in comparison to RVP's 12/13 season and you are passing that out as the gospel truth.

you are an effing disgrace, elampawa!!!!

coogar:

english media had a role to play here too. overhyping rubbish & putting a whole lot of pressure on his shoulders. then rooney didn't manage himself well too. his lifestyle is nothing to write home about. he drinks beer like a fish, he smokes like a chimney & he's never fit at the start of a season....

even ashley young has scored more goals outside the box than rooney.

playing rooney as no 10 is waste, he is either use as top 9 when playing 4-3-3 formation or play him with a striker up front(i.e, 2 strikers like falcao n rvp in last game) when playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 or 4-1-2-1-2(LVG's formation in last game) formations.... giving excuse that he works hard bla bla bla is bs.. A no 10 is suppose to possess intelligent passes in his legs, decisive passes at final third to strikers like mata or herrera, work horses in a team are DMF and Box to B ox not no 10 though, everybody track back when on pressure or opponent want to take corner(except maybe one winger cos of counter attack)...when carrick is back or after signing strootman man utd formation should be; (4-1-2-1-2): de gea; rafael, rojo/jones, evans/smalling,shaw/rojo; strootman/blind; blind,di maria; mata/herrera; falcao, rooney/RVP.

hensben: playing rooney as no 10 is waste, he is either use as top 9 when playing 4-3-3 formation or play him with a striker up front(i.e, 2 strikers like falcao n rvp in last game) when playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 or 4-1-2-1-2(LVG's formation in last game) formations.... giving excuse that he works hard bla bla bla is bs.. A no 10 is suppose to possess intelligent passes in his legs, decisive passes at final third to strikers like mata or herrera, work horses in a team are DMF and Box to B ox not no 10 though, everybody track back when on pressure or opponent want to take corner(except maybe one winger cos of counter attack)...when carrick is back or after signing strootman man utd formation should be; (4-1-2-1-2): de gea; rafael, rojo/jones, evans/smalling,shaw/rojo; strootman/blind; blind,di maria; mata/herrera; falcao, rooney/RVP.

a number-10 has to be clever, nimble, agile and must have vision. rooney should be playing like coutinho.....he doesn't even have the common sense to play the required weight of pass.

if you watch the di maria goal again......rooney's pass was underhit - di maria had to improvise & that was why he dragged his feet to chip the keeper to score & that pass was with no pressure, but rooney nearly còcked it up.

said this b4 one of Rooney or Vanpersie should start along side Falcao...

NO BACKBONE , NO LEADERSHIP

I prefer mata in the hole..Gaal knows Falcao is better than Rooney upfront.
Gaal doesnt bench his captain..

I guess Rvp will sit on d bench then or mata

Odunharry: Van Gaal: Falcao can do a better job upfront than Rooney

Louis van Gaal has backed Radamel
Falcao to perform better than Wayne
Rooney up-front. The Manchester United captain was
forced to play in attacking midfield
against Leicester City at the weekend,
rather than in his usual starting
position up-front, to accommodate
Falcao. Van Gaal believes this is because his new Colombian attacker can offer United an improvement on the performances that Rooney has given so far. "We have played well but can improve and I was not so satisfied with Rooney as a striker... and that’s why I’m changing," he said to the Guardian. “Rooney can play in more positions, he’s a multi-functional player and I have tried him in a striker’s position.
He’s played well but not spectacular
and Falcao is a striker and I think he
can do it better.”

Hmmm... this LVG fella is one sly MOFO!
Basically what he is saying is Rooney is always assured of a place on the starting team (because he is skipper); but it may mostly not be as striker.

Odunharry: NO BACKBONE , NO LEADERSHIP

I prefer mata in the hole..Gaal knows Falcao is better than Rooney upfront.
Gaal doesnt bench his captain..

I guess Rvp will sit on d bench then or mata

Mata most definitely will bench a lot but he will always be the "first choice" to sub any of the forward men - so I'd imagine he wouldn't be too unhappy with this because he will play but just may not start many games. Another thing is, I think LVG likes and appreciates what he can offer; don't think I've heard any complaint against him thus far!

One word for referee Mark Clattenburg?

coogar:

a number-10 has to be clever, nimble, agile and must have vision. rooney should be playing like coutinho.....he doesn't even have the common sense to play the required weight of pass.

I'd have said he should try to imitate D. Silva... but clearly that would be like asking Santa to come around with his bag of goodies every day of every year!

ElFenomeno1:
So what is LVG's job again? What are his remit as the manager of MUFC?
So Rooney tells LVG where he wants to play or LVG plays him in a position deemed suitable to produce the goods for MUFC?
Decline? Why are you laying so much emphasis on Rooney when RVP has done fu..ck all this season?
Which football player is not aware of or immune to the inevitable as they grow older?

I am still yet to see any tangible reason why Rooney should be made the scapegoat in that MUFC forward line....... you need more people Coogs!

I've repeatedly said, Rooney's case might well be as a result of "off-field" influence rather than on-field... come to think of it; Moyes too had the same issue, now it is LVG. So there is something there - perhaps on the commercial/financial side. if UTD get a new "brand face", we may get to see some changes... anybody remember how "#20" was trending 2 seasons back!?