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coogar:


so if i read you correctly, 4-5-1 means rooney played in a false-9 position? 4-5-1 is different from 4-2-3-1.

I have told you what the tactics board said. That it was false 9. It was same thing Zonal marking said when we played Man City in FA cup and won 3-2. Rooney was holding play for Nani and co to arrive.

coogar:


when whoscored said we played 4-4-2 for most of 11/12, you said they didn't know what they are saying. now you are referring to the same website cos it suits your argument?

you are a fraud!

Yes, because their chart is corroborated with the tactics boards. You don't take them in isolation.

elampiro:

I have told you what the tactics board said. That it was false 9. It was same thing Zonal marking said when we played Man City in FA cup and won 3-2. Rooney was holding play for Nani and co to arrive.

i don't think you understand false-9.
and you don't understand how to read stats & draw inference from them. 4-2-3-1 is 4-5-1. nothing changes - the arrowhead is the arrowhead.

Yes, because their chart is corroborated with the tactics boards. You don't take them in isolation.

which nonsense tactics board?
you mean rooney's role against Sunderland that season is different from RVP's role in 12/13?

coogar:


i don't think you understand false-9.
and you don't understand how to read stats & draw inference from them. 4-2-3-1 is 4-5-1. nothing changes - the arrowhead is the arrowhead.

There is a false 9 in football.

coogar:


which nonsense tactics board?
you mean rooney's role against Sunderland that season is different from RVP's role in 12/13?

I am not sure I understand what you mean here. We did not play 4-2-3-1 against Sunderland.

elampiro:

There is a false 9 in football.

who says there isn't?
however, rooney wasn't a false-9 in sunderland. he played in an advanced position and was supported by giggsy.

I am not sure I understand what you mean here. We did not play 4-2-3-1 against Sunderland.

that's exactly what we played......i have exposed you on how you choose your info to suit your argument. the same whoscored you rubbished about our 4-4-2 is the one you are presenting as an evidence - all from the same season.

elampawa, you either agree whoscored is the holy grail or they are rubbish. choose one & stop flip-flopping. you have to be consistent in what you present as your evidence.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1949154_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

whoscored had it that we played 4-4-2 in 31 league games that season.

case closed!!!

flashback....

Lwkm

Ander Herrera "in an on-going legal process involving Real Zaragoza(spain),the club I was honored to play from 12-22 yrs of age,there are 41 people mentioned of which I am one.

I have never had and will have anything to do with manipulating match results.

If i am ever called to justify in any judicial hearing,i'll be happy to attend,as my conscience is totally clear.

I love football,and i believe in fair play on and off the pitch"

Ander..

A Fan on FCbuk:"don't worry Ander,DE GEA will save u"......

Lwkm

May 1, 2012

* According to Zonal marking, Rooney played false 9 in this match.

* Zonal marking laso confirmed Man United played dominantly 4-4-1-1 in 2011/12. Two tactics board now confirming. And at the end of the season.
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Sir Alex Ferguson switched formation to a 4-5-1 with Wayne Rooney upfront alone. Ryan Giggs and Park Ji-Sung were given starts in in midfield, while Nani was used rather than Antonio Valencia on the right. Jonny Evans was ill and Rafael was dropped, so Chris Smalling and Phil Jones were at the back.....

City knew that United’s intention was to play the ball Rooney, get him to come deep and lay the ball off to Nani or Park, and then those three would counter directly. Again, that’s what United did so well in that win at the Emirates two years ago, with Rooney perfecting the false nine position....

First subs

First, Ferguson went for the obvious move – Park off, Danny Welbeck on upfront, and United moving to their usual 4-4-1-1. Rooney dropped deeper to become the number ten, and now Kompany and Lescott couldn’t move up towards Rooney and still keep a spare man behind, as they had Welbeck to deal with. Instead, Gareth Barry dropped onto Rooney and City retained 2 v 1 against Welbeck.

This wasn’t ideal for City, though – Barry was playing very deep and letting United have control of the midfield. Therefore, Mancini responded by introducing Nigel De Jong for Tevez, and City moved to more of a 4-5-1 system, with De Jong as a holding player on Rooney.

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more against Chelsea..

coogar:


who says there isn't?
however, rooney wasn't a false-9 in sunderland. he played in an advanced position and was supported by giggsy.




that's exactly what we played......i have exposed you on how you choose your info to suit your argument. the same whoscored you rubbished about our 4-4-2 is the one you are presenting as an evidence - all from the same season.

elampawa, you either agree whoscored is the holy grail or they are rubbish. choose one & stop flip-flopping. you have to be consistent in what you present as your evidence.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1949154_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

whoscored had it that we played 4-4-2 in 31 league games that season.

case closed!!!

Whoscored was wrong. This is why you have to confirm with what you watched and tactics boards. Moreso whoscored was still evolving at the time.

Zonal Marking and another tactics board said we played 4-4-1-1.

I have used ZM post match tactics charts to evidence this before. I dont want to repaste them.

Chelsea

elampiro:


Whoscored was wrong. This is why you have to confirm with what you watched and tactics boards. Moreso whoscored was still evolving at the time.

Zonal Marking and another tactics board said we played 4-4-1-1.

I have used ZM post match tactics charts to evidence this before. I dont want to repaste them.

whoscored said we played 4-4-1-1 only twice that season. it then shows whoscored understand the difference between 4-4-2 & 4-4-1-1.

elampawa, your argument is becoming weak.

Another case of false 9 even in 2009/10

Arsenal 1-3 Manchester United: Wayne Rooney brilliantly demonstrates the value of a ‘false nine’
January 31, 2010
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/31/arsenal-1-3-manchester-united-wayne-rooney-brilliantly-demonstrates-the-value-of-a-false-nine/

Against Inter ..

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coogar:


whoscored said we played 4-4-1-1 only twice that season. it then shows whoscored understand the difference between 4-4-2 & 4-4-1-1.

elampawa, your argument is becoming weak.

Whoscored may have set their parameters of determining their formation differently from reality then.

If they had formatted their charts to capture 4-4-2 whenever two wingers started from our squad, then so it goes forever until someone corrects it.

This was why opta got Ozil wrong. Also got Kagawa wrong. It recognised Ozil as a number 10. so when Ozil started from the wing and the other guy in the hole, opta failed.

elampiro:
Another case of false 9 even in 2009/10

Arsenal 1-3 Manchester United: Wayne Rooney brilliantly demonstrates the value of a ‘false nine’
January 31, 2010
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/31/arsenal-1-3-manchester-united-wayne-rooney-brilliantly-demonstrates-the-value-of-a-false-nine/

09/10 isn't 11/12.
stop muddling this argument with irrelevant information. every man & his dog knew how we beat arsenal in 09/10. runners & a striker with the back to his goal. tell us another story.

are you saying whoscored doesn't know the difference between 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1?

07/08 Barca..

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Mehn,..na battle till dawn o

Mae una sha no argue for una sleep

ok..

coogar:


09/10 isn't 11/12.
stop muddling this argument with irrelevant information. every man & his dog knew how we beat arsenal in 09/10. runners & a striker with the back to his goal. tell us another story.

are you saying whoscored doesn't know the difference between 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1?

Yes, I have exposed opta mistakes on this forum. It recognized Ozil to be a number 10 but when Ozil was started from the wing, it deceived the whole world that Ozil was in the hole.

Some of these things are programmed to recognised things in certain ways. They work that way until someone corrects it.


About 2010... Just showing you what false 9 is about.

Fussbot:
Mehn,..na battle till dawn o
Mae una sha no argue for una sleep

lol i dey tell u...na Shirley bring up ds issue yestaday

meanwhile feed ur eyes..

08 ucl final

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Goodnyt elampiro and coogar.....
Sleep well guys.

Sir Alex Ferguson went with a 4-4-1-1ish shape, with Wayne Rooney dropping off Welbeck. Ryan Giggs and Michael Carrick was the midfield combination – basically a duo of two passers, which might not be ideal away at Arsenal without a more combative player, but then Ferguson had few other options. That said, Phil Jones could have played in midfield with one of the Brazilian twins at right-back, but instead he started at right-back. Anders Lindegaard started over David De Gea in goal.

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Sir Alex Ferguson picked the expected side in a 4-4-1-1 shape. Chris Smalling had picked up an injury the day before, otherwise his promising partnership with Jonny Evans might have been retained at the back.

lest I forget, Rooney's long ball success in 2011/12, was even 80%. That shows they were virtually all from open play.

Shirley07:

Mata is not a playmaker.
Do you see how Silva conduct play? Now, that's a playmaker and I bet Silva is burdened with defensive duties as much as Mata.
Mata is not even an AMC like Ozil, James, Gotze, he's basically a second striker.
What you're failing to grasp is the playmaking aspect, not creativity. Both are two different things. For example, Xavi do the playmaking for Barca, Iniesta and the forwards do the creativity. However the platform for their creativity is Xavi's playmaking. Without it, Barca lose their penetration and incisiveness. Same with Madrid whenever they had Alonso out, they were out of sort, although they have Kroos in his place now.
What Manutd need is a playmaker.

Herrera can perfectly play our playmaker role if given the opportunity,talk of his technical awareness,his passing intelligence,his on and off ball movements,always willing to win back the ball nd he makes almost a perfect decision everytime.

The way S'ton is now losing eeh!
I pity for them.

@elampiro n coogar mk una no turn dis tin into a husband n wife argument abeg, e don too long ni