nice one.mayb this will give him more confidence

wtf? y r united player's falling at critical times? rooney,welbeck n rafael worst culprits.
GOAL! valencia

With 10 men Wolves will now drop very deep. Time to take off Scholes, move Danny upfront and then bring on Young or Park and stretch them out well. This could be an opportunity to boost goal difference.

GOAL! welbeck!

wat a great cross field pass by evans

We can use this game to reduce the goals difference between Citeh now.
4 more in the 2nd half will be nice.

montelik i disagree.when teams drop deep it becomes more n more difficult for pacy players to stretch them out cos there is less space behind d defence to run into.that is when u need eye of d needle threaders like scholes.
however i think dis a good opportunity to give old legs like rio n scholes a gud rest n giv smalling n pogba minutes

Hernandez and Welbeck. Smh

It's like we've taken our foot off the gas.
We should be going full throttle . . . we don't have a game in midweek.

It's funny how Fergie is quick to throw in Pogba these days
Goal CHICHARITO. 5-0

doesnt want to lose BOTH morrison n pogba,wouldn't b nice at all

Welbeck's work rate is impressive.

Welbeck should be burying that easy. smh

Ebanks-Blake
What a player

Pogba and Welbeck look like lost brothers

YEAh WIT WELBECK BIN D AJEBUTTER BRO N POGBA D PAKO BRO

What can I say?
Not a performance that we should be jumping up and down for,I mean it's a 10-man Wolves.
On the basis of our European campaign,retaining the league is now a must,but not an achievement,given that we were supposed to have built on last year's exploits.
Until we get a midfield that can sound fear into rivals in Europe,we're not making any progress.Relying on Scholes and Giggs is an abberation.

chamotex: Welbeck's work rate is impressive.

Yes, one of the reasons that Berba can't get in.

dayokanu: Ask Mourinho the media scrutiny in Italy or Spain compared to England

Man Utd lost home and away to Bilbao, crashed out to Basel

If that was germany and bayern BILD would have been reporting Ulli fighting Lahm

Just this year we have been poor in away games and winning homes games but BILD and SZ already went to town that we are in crisis and the coach was about to be sacked

Krayola:
JESUS!! Are you for real? You think this stuff only happens in England?


Dude, there have been 15 manager changes in Serie A this season alone. Palermo, Novara and Cagliari have had at least 3 manager changes this season. Lazio coach handed in resignation just last week or so only to have it rejected. Inter may also soon be on number three. Ol boy, your own kind ignorance no get part 2 oooooo

The question then should be asked: why then did high-caliber coaches with impressive CVs fail in England?
Why did Capello,Ancelotti,Villas-Boas,Juande Ramos,Jacques Santini,Scolari among others all leave England under less-than-glamourous circumstances?
Even Jose Mourinho with all his expenses got to only to the semi-finals while at Chelsea,a record bettered by Avram Grant in his first try with Chelsea.So in that regard,there is a question mark over his achievements while in England.

StarBoard: What can I say?
Not a performance that we should be jumping up and down for,I mean it's a 10-man Wolves.
On the basis of our European campaign,retaining the league is now a must,but not an achievement,given that we were supposed to have built on last year's exploits.
Until we get a midfield that can sound fear into rivals in Europe,we're not making any progress.Relying on Scholes and Giggs is an abberation.

So retaining the league is not an achievement?

And tell us which league top coaches dont get sacked?

Benitez didnt last 8 months in Italy, Louis Van Gaal was sacked by Bayern last season, Madrid disgraced Carlos Quieroz out, Ranieiri has been sacked several times in Italy.

So which top coach has survived 7 trophyless season in ANY league

Capello, Schuster, Lippi, Zaccheroni, Deschamps have all been sacked in other leagues

But tell us one single league where a top manager is trophyless for 7seasons and with a job

Fabregas said: "If you went to Spain and said to Guardiola, Mourinho or Unai Emery that they would have three years without winning a trophy, it would be obvious they would not continue [at their clubs]. But here it is different.

If any top team in other leagues should crash out to Basel or Bilbao never mind the two in one season surely the manager is getting sacked but not the case in Media England

StarBoard: What can I say?
Not a performance that we should be jumping up and down for,I mean it's a 10-man Wolves.
On the basis of our European campaign,retaining the league is now a must,but not an achievement,given that we were supposed to have built on last year's exploits.
Until we get a midfield that can sound fear into rivals in Europe,we're not making any progress.Relying on Scholes and Giggs is an abberation.

This is all we got this season, and it aint uhuru yet, but atleast we are getting the 3points now. i think you should appreciate that.

There is nothing we can do about the midfield now in terms of bringing any new additions. We just have to grind out results with the personnel we have and if they scrape thru then so be it. Lets get the trophy anyhow and then we can start arguing about who we need to buy or dump in the summer.

When they start counting trophies, no one will be talking about how bad our midfield was/is. In anycase, how can a terrible midfield win the EPl, it simply means the other teams have worse department when compared with UNITED, and the standard/quality in the EPL this season has also been abysmal.

In europe, i will just quote CRISTALS at the start of the season "we would be found out in europe" and i think she was even refering to our defence not being up to par. And Boy were we FOUND OUT. Europe was an embarrassment for UNITED.

coded guy:

This is all we got this season, and it aint uhuru yet, but atleast we are getting the 3points now. i think you should appreciate that.

There is nothing we can do about the midfield now in terms of bringing any new additions. We just have to grind out results with the personnel we have and if they scrape thru then so be it. Lets get the trophy anyhow and then we can start arguing about who we need to buy or dump in the summer.

When they start counting trophies, no one will be talking about how bad our midfield was/is. In anycase, how can a terrible midfield win the EPl, it simply means the other teams have worse department when compared with UNITED, and the standard/quality in the EPL this season has also been abysmal.

In europe, i will just quote CRISTALS at the start of the season "we would be found out in europe" and i think she was even refering to our defence not being up to par. And Boy were we FOUND OUT. Europe was an embarrassment for UNITED.

me no l;ike this new look at all!

chamotex:

So retaining the league is not an achievement?

Get some perspective.
United have won the league 4 of the past 5 seasons.
In that light it isn't anything new if we defend our title this season.
We should be challenging for The CL and going very far, if not winning it.
When you think we got to the final last season,this season is a bit of a let-down,considering that we were supposed to have strengthened.

dayokanu: And tell us which league top coaches dont get sacked?

Benitez didnt last 8 months in Italy, Louis Van Gaal was sacked by Bayern last season, Madrid disgraced Carlos Quieroz out, Ranieiri has been sacked several times in Italy.

So which top coach has survived 7 trophyless season in ANY league

Capello, Schuster, Lippi, Zaccheroni, Deschamps have all been sacked in other leagues

But tell us one single league where a top manager is trophyless for 7seasons and with a job



If any top team in other leagues should crash out to Basel or Bilbao never mind the two in one season surely the manager is getting sacked but not the case in Media England

You still haven't answered my question.I was wondering why those high-flying coaches couldn't conquer simpletonian England.
Your essay above won't mean squat till you answer it.
Mourinho spent so much but couldn't deliver the CL despite bringing in some of the best talent.
Benitez went trophiless for four seasons before being showed the door.
If Arsene Wenger hasn't been sacked but Jose Mourinho, Ancelotti,Villas-Boas,Juande Ramos,Jacques Santini,Felipe Scolari all left in disgrace,isn't that ironic?

StarBoard:
Get some perspective.
United have won the league 4 of the past 5 seasons.
In that light it isn't anything new if we defend our title this season.
We should be challenging for The CL and going very far, if not winning it.
When you think we got to the final last season,this season is a bit of a let-down,considering that we were supposed to have strengthened.

You said "Winning the league is a must and not an achievement" . . . those were you words. Not Champions League
Even a blind man knows we've been poor in Europe this season, so does that mean we should drop out of the league or not try to win it?
You cant improve on winning the league . . . the best you can do is to RETAIN it.
It isn't anything new but you still have to fight to win/retain it . . . it's no ones birth right.
All these "we've won it many times, its nothing new" quotes don't wash with me. Let's appreciate all what we have achieved.
Some teams haven't won a plastic cup for 7 years now Thank God for your own

Messi has almost scored 50 goals this season, every time he scores, you can see the delight with the way he still celebrates.
Torres finally scored today after 25 hours of football. Starboard thank God for your own

Dimitar Berbatov's agent has confirmed he's leaving #MUFC - and England - this summer. Quotes on @InnaMUFC_Vettel timeline.

chamotex:

You said "Winning the league is a must and not an achievement" . . . those were you words. Not Champions League
Even a blind man knows we've been poor in Europe this season, so does that mean we should drop out of the league or not try to win it?
You cant improve on winning the league . . . the best you can do is to RETAIN it.
It isn't anything new but you still have to fight to win/retain it . . . it's no ones birth right.
All these "we've won it many times, its nothing new" quotes don't wash with me. Let's appreciate all what we have achieved.
Some teams haven't won a plastic cup for 7 years now Thank God for your own

Messi has almost scored 50 goals this season, every time he scores, you can see the delight with the way he still celebrates.
Torres finally scored today after 25 hours of football. Starboard thank God for your own

So because Arsenal haven't won anything in 7years,we should sink to the depth of "thanking God for what we have?"
Why don't they (Arsenal) thank God they aren't like Wigan who never win anything but compete just to stay in the Premier League.?Aftersll they both don't win any trophies.
My point(in case you haven't gotten it) is:
Even if we win the league,this season is still an aberration given our shockingly disgraceful European campaign.
Last year, we regained the title much against the backdrop of most pundits not tipping us for the title.We also got to the final of the CL.Mirror that with this season where marabouts kept beating us all over Europe,and tell me whether winning the league will amount to anything worth screaming about when folks ( fans and pundits alike) expected us to raise the level of our game and make a serious foray into Europe.
Stop celebrating mediocrity by comparing us to Arsenal.It's only Arsenal that celebrate meaningless statistics like winning 4 games on the TDO after Conceeding first,just because they can remember what it's like to win anything.
We are bigger than that.We should be thinking of European domination at this stage after so many league titles won;much like what Barca is threatening to do, instead of this local-champion mentality we have when we know we can navigate the EPL with Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs as pilots in out central midfield but get schooled by European minnows and misfits.Barca won't mind losing the league cus they've won it three times on the spin:a fourth win won't mean as much to them as retaining the CL title would to them.Hence my plea for you to put things in perspective.
While I will not gloss over the fact that it has been a torrid season and for us to be in contention despite all the injuries is a credit to us,I'm under no illusions as to the quality of our side and the truth remains that we have a mediocre side bossing a pretty much sub-par EPL at the moment where the London clubs and Liverpool are fighting for fourth but simply can't get our act together in Europe.Unless our midfield is overhauled,expect more back-water European teams to come and take points of us at what used to be Fortress OT in Europe.

Furthermore,chamotex your analogies (comparing players objectives with what is expected of a team) is a case of oranges and apples.Almost no basis for comparison.
Messi scoring 50 every season is a mark of consistency on a high level of performance. Not the same as a side that feels it is safe in the knowledge that it keeps winning the league title and failing to build on that mark.How many people score that much in a single season?Yet Anderlecht,Porto,Glasgow Rangers and Celtic,Croatia Zagreb,Anarthosis Famagousta,olympiakos all win their leagues season-in,season out and do nothing on the continental scene.If you think we need to just be thankful,then we're relegating ourselves to the levels of those teams when we should be boasting of European dominance akin to the Reals,Milan's,Bayerns,Ajaxes,Liverpools of eras past.

StarBoard: Furthermore,chamotex your analogies (comparing players objectives with what is expected of a team) is a case of oranges and apples.Almost no basis for comparison.
Messi scoring 50 every season is a mark of consistency on a high level of performance. Not the same as a side that feels it is safe in the knowledge that it keeps winning the league title and failing to build on that mark.How many people score that much in a single season?Yet Anderlecht,Porto,Glasgow Rangers and Celtic,Croatia Zagreb,Anarthosis Famagousta,olympiakos all win their leagues season-in,season out and do nothing on the continental scene.If you think we need to just be thankful,then we're relegating ourselves to the levels of those teams when we should be boasting of European dominance akin to the Reals,Milan's,Bayerns,Ajaxes,Liverpools of eras past.

gud 1 starboard

StarBoard:
You still haven't answered my question.I was wondering why those high-flying coaches couldn't conquer simpletonian England.
Your essay above won't mean squat till you answer it.
Mourinho spent so much but couldn't deliver the CL despite bringing in some of the best talent.
Benitez went trophiless for four seasons before being showed the door.
If Arsene Wenger hasn't been sacked but Jose Mourinho, Ancelotti,Villas-Boas,Juande Ramos,Jacques Santini,Felipe Scolari all left in disgrace,isn't that ironic?

Mourinho won the league at his first attempt same with Ancelotti So what constitute success if not winninh the domestic double at first attempt?

dayokanu:

Mourinho won the league at his first attempt same with Ancelotti So what constitute success if not winninh the domestic double at first attempt?

Yeah Mourinho did it but how much did he spend on players to win 2titles without getting to the CL final?
A hapless Avram Grant used the same team plus mid-season signing Anelka to get to the final In his first attempt only losing because John Terry didn't hold his nerve.In that sense,JM coulda done better.When he lost the league in 06/07 he started manufacturing excuses and saw the writing on the wall about United the following season and decided to be a nuisance so he could get sacked.
Ancelotti went from double winner to dud the next season.
Despite his own resume.
Awaiting answers to the original question:Why did these high-profile coaches fail in Useless England?What's the probability that Louis van Gaal and Pep won't run into difficulty if they find themselves there?