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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 12:45pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: He isn't- young is.. coogar: What does transfer price gotta do with the stats in question? Pull out their stats and let's see oga!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:48pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: it simply shows you didn't see the match. 9 changes were made at half time. only blackett & cleverley remained. cleverley had to come off for hernandez in the 70th minute & our midfield simply collapsed afterwards. we conceded 2 goals when tom was subbed off.
we desperately chased an expensive berbatov in 2008 when we had tevez, rooney, ronaldo - it must have said so much of them to SAF. it musta said so much of ronaldo for madrid to chase bale & rodriguez. it musta said so much of messi for barca to chase suarez & neymar. you should be analysing football in a nursery school. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 12:54pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
PietroRico: chai. I'd be the happiest person on earth. I was one of de gea's biggest critics when he 1st joined the club but the dude don shut my mouth up. Wetin dey pain me pass na say make person dey try give flimsy excuses for a player that's clearly not performing well, just because he is one of your favorites. It |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:55pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: how so? young scores in every 495 mins, valencia in every 897 mins. that's a difference of 400 mins between them.
expensive players are usually more talented, no? why would you compare chelsea's best player to ashley young just because valencia is a flop? it doesn't make sense. i ain't pulling any irrelevant stat. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 1:02pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: Your captain was subbed off after a lethargic performance as usual- live with it!!! coogar: You are actually comparing the pursuit of Vidal and strootman, who are widely seen as the solution to a very urgent problem in the team, to our pursuits of berba in 09 and Madrid's purchase of Rodriguez?? You need blood tonic!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 1:05pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: Oga cooger oo... You said numbers don't lie, isn't it? Oya prove to me with numbers, that hazard and Nasri aren't worse than Valencia or young!! I no go gree if you chicken out as usual oo |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:06pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: You forgot the other never lies too.... as in your gifs and videos. Like Bebe scoring a free kick from your gif. * But you forgot you can look up their seasons ratings on whoscored. Valencia and Silva were contesting for the best right winger in 2011/12. Before breaking his leg the first time Val was on the verge of becoming the best winger in the world if he was not already there. Your goals and assists stats do not capture everything, the fact that Val's whoscored rating was higher goals to tell so much. I am not into this debates of Young and Cleverley, so I am not gonna respond to you again. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:11pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: U 4got to add 'apples and oranges'. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 1:18pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: rooney & co musta been super worse to have been taken off @ half time.
widely seen as a solution to whose urgent problem? where was this solution when cleverley marshalled the midfield to win the league by 11 points in 12/13? urgent solution ko, urgent soluble substance ni. elampiro: so bebe's freekick was a lie. bebe scoring 7 wonder goals in 10 games at a point for his club was a lie?
nonsense! the goals/assists say everything. whoscored doesn't even define assists like the premier league does so that's one chink in your armour. besides, they rate number of appearances & so many other irrelevant indices are graded to come out with their overall stats. over here, goals & assists are what is important to a winger & young killed killed killed valencia in those 2 most important parameters.
you were never invited in the first place. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:19pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Coogar, I thought too Young takes corner kicks and free kicks. Something Val doesn't do. I saw a report a while Valencia's assists from open play in 2011/12 was the highest in EPL. While attacking corner kicks, Valencia doesn't stay in the opposition box, he and Rafael are detailed to stay back to quench any counter attack- guess due to their athleticism. All these you don't take into consideration. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 1:23pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: no winger can be as worse as valencia in the league. it's just that english fans love players who work hard, this is why valencia have a career in england. it doesn't matter if he's effective or not. run hard, pass hard, tackle hard and english fans would show their love. this is why gareth barry is far more adulated than carrick or cleverley. it's the british culture & this is why they fail in international tournaments. an english fan will tell you kuyt is better than berbatov.... elampiro: Coogar, I thought too Young takes corner kicks and free kicks. Something Val doesn't do. I saw a report a while Valencia's assists from open play in 2011/12 was the highest in EPL. the last thing i read from you was you won't join the debate nor respond to me ....why are you addressing me then? does your finger type faster than your brain or someone else types for you? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coded01: 1:31pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: Wicked... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:35pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: Not a lie. But don't you think such impressive stats should have got him into Man United 1st eleven coogar: Premier league also use same stat as opta. They have a partner which compile their players stat, and that company which provides feeds for EPL players performance index uses same parameters to arrive at its assists stat as opta. I have mentioned the name of that company previously here, and it is well stated in the EPL website. Outside the above, whoscored has a way of awarding scores for penalties won and unintended assists like rebound or deflection which resulted to goals. This is why their rating is more comprehensive. coogar: Number of appearance is never never a factor. This has been proven over and over again. It's purely cumulative average. The Man United chart team ratings over seasons are clear examples. The last whoscored EPL XI is clear example. The world cup ratings were clear examples. coogar: You shouldn't have mentioned my name in the argument. You have other avenues to invite me. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 1:47pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: for the sake of my fans based home & abroad, i would oblige you one more time to put this argument in a casket once & for all. hazard 13/14 - 14 goals/10 assists - 2890 mins 12/13 - 9 goals/16 assists - 2626 mins in 5516 mins, hazard had 23 goals/26 assists. traitor nasri 13/14 - 7 goals/11 assists - 2485 mins 12/13 - 2 goals/7 assists - 1797 mins 11/12 - 5 goals/9 assists - 2250 mins in 6532 mins, nasri had 14 goals & 27 assists. final table(goals) 239 mins - hazard 467 mins - traitor nasri 495 mins - young • • • • 897 mins - valencia final table(assists) 209 mins - young 212 mins - hazard 242 mins - traitor nasri • • 261 mins - valencia. as you can see, valencia is the least creative of the 4 wingers & young is the quickest to assist a goal. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:57pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
^^^ Valencia is the only one who doesn't take set plays. The only one who doesn't attack corner kicks. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 2:13pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: He was useless.. [ coogar: Yeah,he has been marshaling brilliantly to the extent that we've had to use jones, giggs and even Rooney in games and even call scholes outta retirement and get an extra year sef..... All within the last 4yrs.[/quote] The only area where cleverly marshals, is cluelessness- he is a disgrace!! coogar: I need Nasri and hazard's numbers in comparison with young's, since you said numbers don't lie. When you are ready, holla. I don't need all these epistles!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:23pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: you didn't see the game, stop being a false witness.
we used giggs & oshea before cleverley even joined the first team. all kinda players have played in united's midfield.
but he captained united at rooney's expense. don't lie - you had ulcers when you saw tom cleverino leading the team out.
if your conjuctivitis wasn't so acute, you woulda seen the numbers up there. valencia came last in every category. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by iheanyi40(m): 2:47pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Nawa oh all dese arguments sha D league shud start jawe |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 3:05pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: Cleverley was useless just has he has always been- man up and admit it! coogar: .....which lays credence to the fact that our midfield has needed some fixing for a while now. unfortunately, air-heads like cleverley haven't lived up to billing!! coogar:I was hoping to see a changed cleverley, only for the sideways and clueless 1diot to further buttress the fact that a leopard never changes its spots!! coogar: The exact reason why I said you need orepthal... Why haven't you removed setplays like you'd always do when it comes to rooney's stats? Give us a complete breakdown like you'd do when fatboy is involved!! If na by stats, pelligrinini should be preparing a 50m bid for Podolski as a replacement for Nasri and silva, probably because the German's numbers were more impressive than what the two etihad guys posted last season!!( correct me if I'm wrong) |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coded01: 3:22pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Vidal right to consider Juventus future but joining Manchester United would be a huge mistake http://m.goal.com/s/en-us/news/4992362 Wicked... 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 4:51pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: words coming out from betfred says he's a strong candidate for the captain.
which stupïd credence? that midfield needing fixing has won more league titles than any team in the league. how are they doing it? carrick & cleverley beat the crap out of chelsea, city, liverpool, arsenal, etc. surely, it's your lack of memory that needs fixing.
he posted a MOTM performance last night alongside young. he murdered the inter midfield when he came on & should have had a penalty before the game went into a shootout.
you need spiritual deliverance!!!
are you high on pubes? which stüpid set plays. tell us the set plays young copped last season to have exactly the same creativity stats as valencia despite playing 920 league minutes less than valencia? when people run out of ideas, they look for straws to grasp. how many set plays assists have young copped at united? this is how you people peddle lies in the name of trying to sway arguments. in case you have lost focus on the argument.... young - 2 goals/3 assists(open play) valencia - 2 goals/3 assists(open play) young played 1028 mins valencia played 1947 mins. explain how young's set plays influenced the stats or tape it shut & admit you know nothing about football statistics. most of you here are just media sheep. read what the media say & form idiotic opinion based on what you have read instead of doing your own research.
it's not my business what podolski generates for arsenal. don't colour the argument with endless stream of distracting bullshyte. i have proven young has more productivity in his left foot than valencia & the 20 generations before him. i have also proven that amongst hazard, young, valencia & traitor nasri......valencia is the weakest winger. if you have any evidence that disproves my theory, produce it or take your loss as usual on this debate. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:04pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
^^^ Rooney, Mata and RVP took our set play last season. I am sure if the set play stat is taken from when both guys arrived (season by season), a clearer picture will emerge. Particularly on the assist stats. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:06pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola, Cleverley played very well yesterday. Let's hope for consistency. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:12pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Luke Shaw has admitted that manager Louis van Gaal was right to question his fitness. Shaw said he "totally agreed" with comments about his fitness made by Van Gaal in a news conference this week. Shaw has been put on a special fitness programme by the United manager. "To play in this formation you have to be really fit. I am fit but I am not at the high level he demands, I have got to get fitter to get up and down. It's something I have got to work on," [Source: BBCSport] |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 5:20pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coded01: Vidal right to consider Juventus future but joining Manchester United would be a huge mistakeI notice the fear factor is definitely returning to OT when I see posts like yours. you'll give up your inheritance to see Vidal killed than play for United chillax; all will be fine, no need for all these your rising pulse 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 5:23pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
coogar: Oga, remove the goals and assists that came from setplays and get back to me! I don't need all these meaningless epistles!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:24pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
It looks like the passing game of Gaal greatly benefited Cleverley. Cleverley's energy level seems to have highly improved, and it gave him an upper hand. But, it shouldn't be forgotten that Inter made only one change at half time. Our players were probably fresher in the 2nd half. However, our overall play has improved so much. So much passing accuracy, good first touches, fast passes, mobility and so much energy. One thing missing- our forward players aren't natural dribblers. Only Zaha is a dribbler, but he doesn't have the experience. Januzaj is too young to make it. Nani is not in form. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:27pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: He has removed one season for you already. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 5:30pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
elampiro: . |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 5:30pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
elampiro: I need the ones for hazard and Nasri. He should remove them and prove to me that Nasri and hazard have been better than Valencia and young, since he said stats don't lie |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 5:32pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
elampiro: It looks like the passing game of Gaal greatly benefited Cleverley. Cleverley's energy level seems to have highly improved, and it gave him an upper hand. But, it shouldn't be forgotten that Inter made only one change at half time. Our players were probably fresher in the 2nd half.Januzaj will be our Robben, replacing van Persie in very tough games cuz I think van Persie is slowing down lately |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 5:32pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Dadehmola: go & use balm to rub the bruises from the body blows you have received already. young did not cop any assist from set plays in the last 2 seasons. young didn't score any goal from set play in the last 2 seasons. what other excuse would you put up for valencia? oh yes.....valencia played sometimes as a full back & that hindered his stats? hmm - or valencia has 3 testiclës and it's the reason he couldn't hit perfect crosses? young is valencia's father on the wing! take your defeat & stop moaning. |
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