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Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 3:32pm On Mar 01, 2012 |
Ndu_chuks Nwanne, let me first say that (1) you are not Igbo and (2) you don't have to forgive Ojukwu for anything. In my earlier post I asked "Nigerians" in NL to state in unambiguous terms the rightness or wrongness of the justice that Nigeria administered to innocent men in Asaba in 1967, Easterners in the north in 1966, and finally Biafrans during and after the war. I also stated that for those who believe that the justice Asaba and the rest of Biafrans got was a well deserved one to say in clear terms that if their people were under the same circumstance they would, in good faith, accept that same Nigerian justice. What I have in bold above is as bright as the sun yet people, including you Ndu, chose to avoid it. I don't know why you didn't give a direct response. In life there are many kinds of justice and each one of them has a contour line, sort of an isocline, and your acceptance of any form of justice means you've put your self on that isocline. This isocline may or may not be linear but as long as you're on it there is not getting out. Asaba justice or injustice is an isocline, therefore if you believe what happened there in 1966 was right then you are on that contour line which doesn't have to be straight, and woe betide you if Asaba justice contour line is circular or elliptic then you know its orientation is coming back to pass through your position. So, like I stated in my earlier post - life is Karma with capital K and it is very easy to be caught or trapped in the wish you had for others. Now we're clear on that lets move on for the business of the day 'cause that's why I'm responding to you. I have a question for you, Ndu_chuks, and I hope you'll answer that question with yes or no. I'm not going to judge your answer rather I will respect you as a man for at least giving a straight yes or no. Beneath all your posts is a statement that reads "Keeping Nigeria united is a task that must be done," so it got me thinking that maybe you are the right person to answer this question. Now this is my question to you Ndu, and I want a yes or no. If keeping Nigeria united requires that 5000 (not 30000) of your people be butchered in 1 year (not 3 months) by another group, and if your people withdraw back to their ancestral land and declare their own independence that FG should launch a humane war (not genocidal) that will kill 500,000 of your people (not one million or 3 million, just mere 500,000) to bring them back, and after the war let FG give your people 500 pounds each (not 20 pounds), would you accept it? Would you still accept that this "task that must be done" must go on? Mind you, I didn't put Asaba, abandon property, starvation, and shooting at everything that doesn't move because after all its a humane war. Ndu Nwanne I'm waiting for your answer. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by ak47mann(m): 3:49pm On Mar 01, 2012 |
The problem is that the evil and genocide against BIAFRANS including some SS people Nigerians never came to their-senses of precautionary and the outcome,the same problem still around and they were still defending the killing of innocents without any justifiably doubts is now hunting them and making them look Evil to outside world I don't think the inhabitants in Niger area really know were they stand everybody is running from one post to the other,no direction,oyel had made it worst even a nice guy will turn to a monster in a second , Ikemba funeral got more foreign dignitaries than yaradua and other past leaders in Nigeria,mean while ikemba represent state of Biafra and that doesn't ring a bell to their ears;especially these bigots in NL I believe oyel is what everybody in that country is looking up to |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 4:41pm On Mar 01, 2012 |
Ndu Nwanne, I'm still waiting. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Onlytruth(m): 7:09pm On Mar 01, 2012 |
Sam_Ikenna: My brother you may wait for ever. hehehe! You will not likely see ndu_chucks anywhere near this thread, because he is an agent of satan. I'll wait with you though. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by nduchucks: 9:21pm On Mar 01, 2012 |
@Op, I assume the question is meant for Ndu_Chucks as opposed to Ndu_chuks. I forgive your carelessness and will respond within 10 hours. Please note however that I do not answer multiple choice questions because the choice of answers are typically rigged. I will however respond to your question adequately and completely. As for Eze Only 1 Like |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 10:54pm On Mar 01, 2012 |
My bad, I've modified it to Ndu_Chucks. But still waiting. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Onlytruth(m): 12:32am On Mar 02, 2012 |
Erh, ndu_chucks, we are still waiting o. Na gode mallam. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by nduchucks: 4:27am On Mar 02, 2012 |
Sam_Ikenna: I'm going to cut through the chase and answer the above question before addressing the other presumptions or presuppositions contained in your post. I'm afraid however, that you will not get an exotic answer from me, for I am a pacifist who does not believe that a single Nigerian needs to die to keep Nigeria one, two, three or six for that matter. My solution (answer) to your question (problem) is therefore the trivial solution. Let me simplify this mathematically: the equation x + 13y = 0 has the trivial solution x = 0, y = 0. Nontrivial solutions exist however. Shey you get my point? We can debate the causes of the civil war or the number of heros who died on both sides if you wish. Please be reminded that I will not accept any cooked up statistical data, so be ready to support your numbers with facts. Sam_Ikenna: How do you define Igbo? 50% Igbo, 30%, 100%, 10%? It suffices to say that I have relatives who died while fighting on the biafran side and others on the Nigerian side. Some of them would not have died if the biafran commanders had surrendered promptly. It was the foolishness of this decision which led to the deaths of many of my relatives. Who are you to tell me that I don't have to forgive Ojukwu? Some of you don't realize that families were torn apart because of the war where a father returned to the East and left his wife and children in the North and vice-versa. Sam_Ikenna: nwanne m, it is impossible to morally justify any war as far as I am concerned. War is a barbaric act, period. We must do all we can to avoid another one. The killing of a single Nigerian citizen is morally reprehensible, whether during a war or in peace. The sane thing to do is learn from the past and try not to allow history to repeat itself. There is enough blame to go around, buddy. Its time to move on. P.S, you address me as "nwanne", try to add an "m" to the end of that word like I did above, it will give you some relief. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Obiagu1(m): 5:51am On Mar 02, 2012 |
ndu_chucks: . . . and you think you just answered the question |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Onlytruth(m): 7:08am On Mar 02, 2012 |
ndu_chucks, I have already replaced all the zeroes in that your false equation with "to keep Nigeria one is a task that must be done" -which in numerical terms means ad infinitum. That is what you really believe, which is why you defend mass murderers like Murtala Muhammad. Embrace your beliefs bro. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by nduchucks: 11:23am On Mar 02, 2012 |
Onlytruth: Eze Igbo NL, go and read up on mathematical induction olodo. ad infinitum ko, continuum ni. The trouble with you people is that you continue to live in denial. You lost the war, period!! Your supreme leader Ikemba Eze Igbo Gburugburu, RIP, accepted this reality and embraced patriotism. He ran for elective offices and even for the Presidency. He formed APGA and learnt to live by democratic ideals. Your own leaders and governors are ready to imprison and kill you people if you try any foolishness. Here's what an Igbo son, Azikwe Ebele Jonathan had to say in remembrance of Murtala Mohammed, your own hateful opinion on the Patriot is irrelivant and null: Azikiwe Ebele GEJ: @Obiagu1, stop acting as if you are a dummy who cannot read. My position is as clear as a whistle, "killing of a single Nigerian citizen is morally reprehensible, whether during a war or in peace" I know you were expecting a bigoted response from me and I am sorry to disappoint you. P.S. There will always be unintended consequences when wayward soldiers carryout coups that are not well thought out and kill leaders from particular regions while sparing those from theirs. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by PROUDIGBO(m): 11:57am On Mar 02, 2012 |
ndu_chucks: ^^^Listen FOOL!!! You're NOT Igbo PERIOD!!! What you are is a nasty piece of work that goes about pretending to be what he isn't to score cheap internet points, and every true Igbo will despise you with a passion like i do. Having a small 'quota' of Igbo blood running through your veins does not make you Igbo: being a true Igbo son is a summation of much more than having a distant Igbo relative, so stop kidding yourself and better change your name to reflect your true ethnic sentiments and passions. Nobody says we're perfect as a people (no nation or people are), but what a TRUE Igbo son/daughter should not do is give their enemies ammunition against us and choose to critique our history in such a disrespectful, hateful and condescending way such as you do. In doing so, you give up whatever little claim you have to being Igbo. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by nduchucks: 12:06pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
^^^^ I have always maintained that I am a Nigerian, period. People like you are not helping the Igbo cause by defining the Igbo as bigoted people and purists who believe the minorities among them are not real Igbos, hence deserve to be treated like animals. Even among you, you have the Osu who you treat as sub humans. Your hatred will do nothing but devour you, I don't even need to slap you or shoot you, olodo. Your enemy lives inside of you and I pity you fool. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 2:40pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Ndu, first off, I want to aplaud you for at least being a man. I can see the question I asked sort of caged you but like a real man you did your best. However, I would say that even though you tried to used maths to buttress your point , it still fell short of what was expected of you - REAL SOLUTION. Ndu nwannem, I'm probably maths personified so using it to bamboozle me wont work. Your equation had a real solution and that's what we need. 1967 was real and those charged with responsibilities didn't seek for trivial or extraneous solutions, they went for the real thing so I expect you to measure up to them, take a position which is either for or against and please make sure its crystal clear. Now if you think I was being mischievous why not ask me a straight question and see if I wont give you a straight answer. Anyway let me add one thing here since you said you don't justify the death of any Nigerian whether in war or peace. The question goes like this - since your a pacifist, does it mean you're now withdrawing your support for the war Gowon launched on the East? I know I haven't read where you justified the war, I'm just assuming you do but if you actually don't then I apologize. Anyway, going back to Gowon's war on the East, do you support it? if yes, how does that fit into your pacifism bearing in mind you're an avowed hater of blood and war? If your answer is no then state it and we'll squash everything. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 2:49pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Mind you, the reason I didn't want us to stretch your equation is because of the ambiguity that's embedded in it. I didn't want things to be implied rather I wanted things to be clear cut like - Hickey No! I'm not gonna let any one roast my pops and moms because of Nigeria, or Hell yea! I'm up for it as long as it guarantees the survival of Nigeria as one nation. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by nduchucks: 4:05pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Sam_Ikenna: I'm glad you have already apologized for implying that I offered justification for the civil war. Your apology is accepted. Let me also add that I understand why the Northerners reacted to the killing of their beloved leaders by Nzeogwu and others; I also understand why Ojukwu took his treasonous steps. I am unable however, to find any justification for Ojukwu's act of not surrendering when it became apparent that biafra had lost - why must he allow thousands of more people to die in vain while he himself eventually fled the scene? By the same token, I cannot offer any justification for the killing of innocent Nigerians for any cause, period. I am also of the opinion that the next attempt by any region to secede via military actions will lead to more deaths than we had in Rwanda. We are better off as one Nation under God (Allah), than to kills ourselves off via ethnic cleansing. You people who are still calling for biafra, in my opinion are either foolish, wicked, or both. You all need to learn how to operate in a democracy and form coalitions to fight for your interests legally. There has been a lot of noise about SS and SE alliance. This is a good thing if the said alliance is a political one as shown by the outcome of the last Presidential election. If on the other hand, such an alliance is to tear the country apart and plan for seccession, I'm afraid you people will be crushed once again by the great Nigerian Army, whether I am a pacifist or not. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 5:46pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
I rest my case. I can now confidently say that your pacifism is a mere mockery of its true meaning. Lets look at the words you used while referring to Northerners and Ojukwu - For Northerners you said "I understand why the Northerners reacted to the killing of their beloved leaders by Nzeogwu and others" and for Ojukwu you stated "I also understand why Ojukwu took his treasonous steps." According to you Northerners reacted while Ojukwu was a treasonable felon. Now if I should take your belief in pacifism to be true meaning you did not support Gowon's war on the East, why then do you consistently blame Ojukwu for fighting a war that was brought to his domain rather than blame the initiator of the war? Which one is right - blaming a child for fighting back or blaming the aggressor? It seems the only thing that would've assuaged you was if Ojukwu had fled, taking an ambassadorial position like Ogundipe, or played dead. You like to put the blame on people who decided to have nothing to do with people who murdered 30000 Easterners in one swoop. Now let me ask you, if Igbos or anyother group woke up and massacred 30000 Hausa-Fulani would you still preach love and unity with that group? Its easy for you to preach unity and call other people's actions treasonous. Who even defined the word treason? Do you know that during colonial era any political activity that was hinged on independence was termed treason? Do you know how slave masters defined treason to the slaves? which one is better treason by ojukwu or 30000 deaths by North before the civil war. Don't sit up there and say you don't justify it ok, you might as well say you enjoyed everything going by the acquittal you gave Gowon and North and the guilty as charged you placed on Ojukwu and East. You see, the reason I even started this is to get your full opinion given how much "One United Nigeria" means to you. Now I see what it means to you is diametrically opposed to my future and well-being. By your own definition, I should stick with Nigeria no matter what. In fact in your dictionary the word self determination might as well vanish because its treason to think or attempt such. According to you If SS/SE gets together for disintegration from a country that gave them more deaths than they could bury they should and would be crushed "again" by GREAT Nigerian Army - really? I see. Well I have news for whoever attempts to crush my people "again" - that news is you will do it from the grave. Its not boasting. I can promise you they will breathe and choke in lethal gas proudly made and administered by Sam_Ikenna. If I cant have my space then you cant have yours. You can call us foolish till eternity its not gonna change anything. However, what I do know is that Nigeria as it currently is belongs to all of us but if at any time my people, whether its SS/SE or SE + SS_Igbo, decides to want out I would be waiting for that "great Nigerian Army" to crush me "again." Its really insulting to hear my fellow man refer to my right as treasonous because it suits him but when asked how much death he can take to keep Nigeria one he ducks. As for Ojukwu, he did what we asked him to do - what did we ask him? - declare Biafra and by God we will defend it! He did his job well and as for Biafra's defense - its still not over as long as someone from 1000 kilometers away from me thinks he can define and distort my right to suit his ego, oil money, and political hegemony. You know, it baffles me how you think I can coexist in the same nation with you when you exonerate murderers and exalt a murderous army that has done nothing but join in the mass murder of my people in the north and after losing out in election contest unleashed their deadly Boko Haram on us. On a final note I will say this - After 52 years of independence and 42 years since the end of Biafra/Nigeria war it seems that macabre dance is becoming much more pronounced again. The same people that beat the drums the first time are beating it the second time thinking they have the numbers, the mastery, the courage, and the strength to dance it like they did the first time. They were helped to lift the trophy of the first dance and now they believe they're invisible hence the beating for the second show. They've been good propagandists and masters of treachery for so long that they've lost the meaning of time and change. They think they're our lords and they gloat over their enabled/assisted triumph over their "captives." Due to their inability to follow time and change they've failed to realize that their "captives" are no longer in chains and cuffs - the captives have been free for so long and are now better masters at propaganda and treachery and are more than ready for the second macabre dance. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by DuduNegro: 6:59pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Biafra ought to be remorseful and asking for forgivenes and paying reparations. . . instead these guys are demanding heroic status for their wayward coup planners and rebel leaders. Biafra owe Nigeria some explanations. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by nduchucks: 8:00pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Sam_Ikenna: The earlier you stopped exhibiting this kind of effeminate emotionalism and focused on being objective, the more productive this conversation would be. A spade is a spade no matter how emotional you become in wishing that the spade becomes something else. Treason is the offense of acting to kill one’s government’s sovereignty and a violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign state. By all accounts, Ojukwu’s steps were treasonous, and he faced court marshal for the crime – this is a fact that cannot be disputed no matter how hard you try. Ojukwu was forgiven for this treason and allowed to return to Nigeria by Shagari. This is a historical fact known to all and sundry.
I actually feel sorry for you and I suspect that you are in exile somewhere in diaspora. You see, your opinion of self determination is a minute minority opinion. The vast majority of Igbos here in Nigeria do not want another war and many are busy working very hard to make our democracy work - Ojukwu himself worked towards this effort. You secessionists can hang on the lost glory and continue to cry for biafra until you turn black and blue. The rest of us will build our nation into a productive and progressive one, with or without your help. You remind me of some Texans who are still preaching about seceding after all these years. Nwannem, don’t be left behind – Insha Allah, Nigeria shall be greater once again.
Well, if you asked Ojukwu to treasonously declare Biafra, then you are co conspirators who belong in jail. Nwannem, please be focused and stop throwing wild accusations around. If you cannot find a post where I exonerated murderers, then you owe me an apology once again. As for BH, please organize a protest in front of Aso Rock to demand that GEJ fights the terrorists and protect Nigerians. BTW, More Northerners have died as a result of BH activities.
You people are the ones beating the said drums again and calling for seccession and the breakup of our dear country. Some of us are getting tired of your irresponsible agitations. It seems as if you people have not learnt from the past. No one is stopping you – simply declare Biafra or any other nation again and see how far you’ll get. I can assure you that this time, your own brothers will kill you themselves. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 8:00pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Is that right? Maybe Awo, Zik, and Sarduana should be asking the Brits for 4giveness, Haiti should be asking the Fench for forgiveness, African Americans should be asking KKK and slave masters for same, the whole of Africa should be on their knees telling Europe sorry. Self determination is as old as man and when you diminish and demote it in Biafra you demote it in America, Spain, India and also in Oduaa and Arewa. Dudu_Negro, with all the intelligence you display here sometimes, its shocking how low you also go sometimes just to score cheap points. Maybe you think we're begging or crying for help, far from it. We're actually bringing the "Almighty king's" doodoo and poo before him knowing hes uncomfortable with the truth. I'll bet if you go to Rwanda today the Hutus are still in denial of their actions, they wished the Tutsi's stopped talking about the murder - that's what many of you want us to do - suck it and not say a word because it makes you feel uncomfortable. Because we've refused to stop saying it, you now say oh! they're whining and crying - all these are geared towards making us shy away from the real shame that your One Nigeria did. You want us to apologize to Nigeria, OK then tell me who should apologize in the following cases: Nigeria/Odi, Nigeria/Zaki Ibiam, Nigeria/Awo (Awo's prison, remember that - who should apologize?), Nigeria/MKO. I guess since Boko Haram is killing us we should apologize to them instead of fighting back. Maybe Nadeco should apologize to Abacha for fighting back, also those NYSC youths killed during election should apologize to those almajiris that killed them. I guess you didn't see the ramifications of your statement. These kind of unguarded statements is the reason Nigeria is in deep poo today because of "things-are-only-right-if done-by-my people syndrome." If Oduaa had wanted out would you have asked them to apologize? look into the mirror and answer that. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by DuduNegro: 8:09pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
I have something for you in case you have not seen it. Please make sure you read and then respond . Be right back. . . |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by DuduNegro: 8:15pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
This was from the topic about Asaba which you shunted to create this new topic. I want you to follow my tracks and the responses it drew. No one in Nigeria has done anything to you that you yourself have not done to someone else, intended for someone else or plotted and schemed to do to someone else.
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Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by DuduNegro: 8:20pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Abagworo: Abagworo: Dudu_Negro: |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Katsumoto: 8:42pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
ndu_chucks: People can debate the circumstances leading to Nigeria's independence, post, independence events, and the civil war at any point. The point Sam Ikenna is making is why must Nigeria remain at all cost? Isn't it time for Nigerians to take stock and call it quits if necessary? What is advantageous to millions of Nigerians that blood must be shed continually? Why are you so against disintegration? At least be honest with yourself. Are you against disintegration because you love other Nigerians so much or because of the black gold? What ever the reasons were for the civil war, isn't it clear today that Nigeria is a FAILED state? Why do you also persist in war mongering? Why must disintegration lead to war? In the last 20 years, at least five nations have all broken up peacefully; the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia/Eritrea and even Sudan (because separation was achieved through a referendum). Repeating the horrors of the civil war and a possible conflict should Nigeria disintegrate will not stop the calls for separation. If the situation of things do not improve, that agitation will not diminish even after you are long gone. Perhaps your concern is that it shouldn't happen in your life time (I do pray for a long life for you) but is that something you want your children and grandchildren to deal with? Dudu_Negro: Ndigbo and other Easterners paid the price in blood for the actions of a few. Rather it is former Nigerian leaders such as Gowon who owe Ndigbo an apology for their inability to protect INNOCENT civilians during the pogroms before the war. Lets be fair here. I am not pro or against Nigeria (my interest is very minimal) but all options should be discussed. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 8:47pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Ndu, you've been building this One Nigeria for 52 years since independence and 42 since the end of civil war and we've seen how far you can go. Now this is your "how far" - Millions of beggars, millions almajiris with no future, and last but the not the least, Boko haram. I invite you to check the condition of core north and its prospects back then in 1960 and compare it with whats obtainable today. You might say yeah we have this and that today as gain/profit, but have you really looked at the awful downside? If you actually did then you wont be here castigating others for their future/desire to be away from you. The fact is - the more core north stays with Nigeria the more they go down, you might not realize it. Your people take free oil money and have become unaccountable to anyone and guess who pays for it? Northern poor masses. Yes our politicians take money too but they know we're as smart as they are so they don't take us for a ride. We go to same school where their kids go to, we try to eat where they eat, so basically we are fishing near their private ponds. Can you say the same in Core North? So my brother you are the one deluding your self with this Oneness mantra. You better wake up and realize that even though we're in Nigeria with you we're also not in Nigeria with you. You might not realize it because you're fixated in One Nigeria. We know what you mean when you say one Nigeria, we're not fools. If you have existed as one Nigeria and after 52 years your brothers are now setting schools ablaze, bombing churches, targeting clerics, imposing sharia, cattle rearers chopping off arms and legs, plucking out eyes, raping women as the cattle munches on anything green in farmers farm, Tiv vs Fulani, Berom vs Fulani, Beggars everywhere, Kano exploding, Imo state or Ekiti state having more than or almost the total number of Core northern university admission, poverty skyrocketing, power slipping away from core north, etc. When will you realize you're better off on your own? If Igbo statistics look as abysmal as that above I will spit on the grave of my forefathers and move to Somalia after all whats the difference - I wont be here holding on to failure. The reason ND, SS, Ijaw, Oduaa, Igbo, and MB people have at one time or the other threatened to want out of Nigeria is because they feel they can do better than Nigeria - what about you? The reason you're depicting me as throwing "effeminate emotions" is because you've run out of ideas hence the insult. I wont go down that road with you because I'm not a fool. The issue is people's right to self determination, if it hurts you then change your hegemonic ways maybe then we can talk about unity. As Igbo, I don't ask for pity, I tell you what my right is and if you think you can keep it forever then be ready for confrontation down the road. You can use cheap blackmail, we saw it during the war but you can now see the war is very much alive as more and more groups are becoming assertive and demanding while you and your brothers are still basking in the euphoric hang-over of you war "victory." Wake up buddy! |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Genius100: 9:00pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Chief, Nigeria should separate if the cause for Nigeria's woes is the fact that we are one entity. There is no ounce of evidence to suppport the fact that one region would be better off on its own. The Governors have as much power as needed to transform their states, yet the same corruption thrives in every single state in Nigeria. Nigeria's main problem is corruption. Get rid of corruption and Nigeria will cease to be a failure, |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by dayokanu(m): 9:01pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Its the Ibos who owe us all an apology for the way their sons behaved in killing other peoples leaders. I still agree that Nigeria should split on everyones terms |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Obiagu1(m): 9:12pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Katsumoto: I never knew I'd read this from you. Kudos though. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by nduchucks: 9:13pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Genius100: Genius100, Yours is a lone voice of reason. Many of these people erroneously think that the separation of Nigeria will resolve most problems. I completely agree with you that the same issues of corruption and tribalism will destroy the newly formed nations quicker than it would Nigeria as it is currently organized. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Obiagu1(m): 9:14pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
ndu_chucks: Unfortunately you did not answer the question posed to you; don't f.o.o.l yourself with your irrelevant equation. |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by Obiagu1(m): 9:15pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Sam_Ikenna: Word! |
Re: Ndu_Chuks This Question Is For You by SamIkenna: 9:15pm On Mar 02, 2012 |
Katsumoto, thanks for you contribution. Also may add that no region, group, or zone in Nigeria is squeaky clean. We all have our faults and its the duty of each individual group to do their respective soul searching. However, Nigeria belongs to all of us and its our collective duty to hold her feet on a hot metal if we so desire. There shouldn't be anything like off-limit when it comes to Nigeria after all Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Ijaw, Isoko, etc. has been existing for thousands of years before Nigeria was born, therefore I don't see how Nigeria all of a sudden became the elder brother to our respective groups. To make matters worse, some groups have taken it upon themselves to be the custodian of this "new elder brother" which is insulting. They want to tell us what to say and what not, what is treason and what is not - can you imagine? Isn't it the same thing colonial master did? they labled us anti-state/treasonous each time our people asserted their rights. Even in the 90s and late 80s South Africans and Zimbabweans were charged with treason. Like Achebe wrote, Nigeria is not our father rather our child. I will go a little bit further to say that Nigeria is not just our child but actually an adopted child. Igbo is my father just as Yoruba is yours but I will not accept this new Nigerian fathership. I will be ready to work with this adopted child provided he is not always setting my house ablaze, if he is then I will waste no time in dumping him or at least returning him to the adoption house. Imagine how a child you adopted is telling you you cant discuss his adoption else you be charged with treason. |
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