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Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Goshen360(m): 7:54pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
ijawkid: [size=15pt]END OF DISCUSSION IF YOU BELIEVE THE ABOVE.[/size] |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by DeepSight(m): 7:57pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
^^^ Beginning of foolishness, if you believe the above. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Goshen360(m): 8:04pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Deep Sight: What is foolishness in that if he believes that. You are not a Christian, are you? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by DeepSight(m): 8:30pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Goshen360: It is the height of foolishness, and even blasphemy, to regard a fellow human being as almighty God and worship such a fellow human being. It also shows low self esteem, racial inferiority complex and a goat-like approach to doctrine. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by nyameke: 8:32pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Goshen360:No no don't say the trinity is a mystery because I know you are better than this.. I have already explained 1Cor. 11:3 but let's talk .. First of if you really understood the trinity Col 2:9 should have explained everything to you.. I hope we agree that the Godhead is three distinct persons..Each one is in the other and equal.. YASHUA said I and the Father are one.. Put another way it means that whatever qualities that is in the Father is in the Son and Holy spirit and what's in the Son is in the Father and the Holy Spirit. It's a unit so to say.. When you see one you have seen the other..That's the core of what Col.2:9 is saying .. it is also why Yashua told his disciples that " ...if you have seen me you have seen the father." It's also why Yashua= Yahweh and I have given evidences why.. Now back to 1 Cor.11:3 .. Everything in the universe follows an Order and its perfect . Even behind the chaos there is still order and it takes divine intelligence to see it..If you follow the essence and not the form all the secrets of the universe would be revealed to you. Head, authority greater does not necessary mean better or of higher quality.. A man being the head of a woman does not mean a man is more human or of better quality than a woman.. The man leads and directs and the woman obeys and submits..what's different is the roles not their essence..The woman is still as human as the man.. A master having authority over his servant does not make the servant less human.. That's ignorance.. The father directs and the son obeys but they are the Almighty because they are one.. In a layman terms 1 Cor 11:3 is saying that to have a perfect union the man has to direct or lead/ head the woman because that's his role/ job.. A woman is lost without its head.. Now because man/mankind has " fallen" and needs direction/ head Christ becomes our leader/ head rats why the church is called the body of Christ.. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by DeepSight(m): 8:36pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
nyameke: What sort of contradiction is this? Do you people think at all before you assimilate gibberish and spew this sort of thing? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 8:48pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
ijawkid:How else will they explain to you that Jesus was humbling himself despite being in the form of God. O.k when he was accused of making himself God did he say he wasn't? And if he was not God don't you think when he appeared to paul he would have told him he wasn't God. I still don't know how you read ƔυƦ own bible ☺☺ or where you have kept ƔυƦ understanding |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by nyameke: 8:51pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Deep Sight:what and where is the contradiction |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by DeepSight(m): 8:53pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
haibe: He said severally that he is not God. You people simple refuse to hear the poor fella on account of a desperation to worship a fellow human being. Read - John 8:40: “, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." Mark 13:32:"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." John 5:19: "Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does” John 14:28: "You heard me say,'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." John 20:17: "Jesus said, " Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” Mark 10:18: “Do not call me good, only God is good.” The words of the Apostles: 1Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Peter 1:3: “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Acts 2:22 - “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.” Acts 2:36: “God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by DeepSight(m): 8:56pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
nyameke: what and where is the contradiction I need to point it out? Funny! You say that one is subject to the other and obeys the other, and yet you insist that both are ALMIGHTY. That is not a contradiction? Una sef. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by nyameke: 8:57pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
@ Goshen if you are still confused about 1 Cor. 11:3 this how I used the concept of duality to explain that verse to @ Ijaw ..( obviously he didn't get it but I hope it helps).. Head here in this verse means direction or lead.. when you are the head of something you lead and give direction to it.. it doesn't mean you are greater or superior than.. Man and woman follows the concept of duality.. yin and yan..c Conscious and subconcious mind. Man and woman are different in roles but equal in importance and status. Man is the head but woman is the body and the heart.The head has to direct the body properly or it will get lost. Woman is normally lost without a man in her life. She is a damsel in distress longing for her prince charming to save her and show her the way. The body has to follow what the head tells it to do or they will both not accomplish anything together. ... The man is the head and woman is the body..Now understand that man (mankind in this context ) has sin and fallen with no sense of direction or leadership, so therefore we need a head to give us direction .. so who better than the Almighty himself, the prince of peace and the most powerful to guide and lead us.. That's why the church (man ) is called the body of Christ ... |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by nyameke: 9:02pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Deep Sight:oh ok. Nope not a contradiction at all .. I'm not going to repeat myself but if you starry reading from page 4 or 5 you will see why iI said that.. been a long day and don't feel like repeating myself. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by DeepSight(m): 9:04pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
^^^^ It is a lamentable and also goat-like contradiction son. Goodnite. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 9:28pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Goshen360:Now a man is the head of a woman that means he is greater than his wife in role and not in essence, the same thing with the fada and son, the fada is greater in role not in essence. If am in a partnership business, i can be greater in role than other co-partners but that doesn't make me greater than them in essence. The father and son are co-equal but the father is head in that he is greater in role. Shikena. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by nyameke: 9:35pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Deep Sight:Nope That's your opinion and reality not my reality son...We will talk soon.. btw good afternoon |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 9:36pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Goshen360:D̶̲̅σ you also believe Jesus is a god and not God?, how can Jesus be a god, that makes it two different gods and. God said he is one. Its you people that make them call christians polytheists |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 9:47pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
Deep Sight:You, you can't understand jhor, aren't you a muslim? I know you people have concluded that God doesn't have the power to come in flesh. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 9:57pm On Jun 11, 2012 |
@deep sight, The phrase “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28) was spoken by Jesus during the upper room discourse, and the greater context is the promising of the Holy Spirit to the disciples after Jesus’ resurrection. Jesus says repeatedly that He is doing the Father’s will, thereby implying that He is somehow subservient to the Father. The question then becomes how can Jesus be equal to God when by His own admission He is subservient to the will of God? The answer to this question lies within the nature of the incarnation. During the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily “made lower than the angels” (Hebrews 2:9), which refers to Jesus’ status. Jesus took on human flesh. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, Jesus was fully human and “made lower than the angels.” However, Jesus is fully divine, too. By taking on human nature, Jesus did not relinquish His divine nature—God cannot stop being God. How do we reconcile the fact that the second Person of the Trinity is fully divine yet fully human and by definition “lower than the angels”? The answer to that question can be found in Philippians 2:5-11. When the second Person of the Trinity took on human form, something amazing occurred. Christ “made himself nothing.” This phrase has generated more ink than almost any other phrase in the Bible. In essence, what it means is that Jesus voluntarily relinquished the prerogative of freely exercising His divine attributes and subjected Himself to the will of the Father while on earth. Another thing to consider is the fact that subservience in role does not equate to subservience in essence. For example, consider an employer/employee relationship. The employer has the right to make demands of the employee, and the employee has the obligation to serve the employer. The roles clearly define a subservient relationship. However, both people are still human beings and share in the same human nature. There is no difference between the two as to their essence; they stand as equals. The fact that one is an employer and the other is an employee does nothing to alter the essential equality of these two individuals as human beings. The same can be said of the members of the Trinity. All three members (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are essentially equal; i.e., they are all divine in nature. However, in the grand plan of redemption, they play certain roles, and these roles define authority and subservience. The Father commands the Son, and the Father and the Son command the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the fact that the Son took on a human nature and made Himself subservient to the Father in no way denies the deity of the Son, nor does it diminish His essential equality with the Father. The “greatness” spoken of in this verse, then, relates to role, not to essence. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 12:26am On Jun 12, 2012 |
haibe: Nope nt polytheist.... He is a God in d sense that he is Godlike.... He is supernatural...... Powerful.... Not that he is Yahweh....... I thought I had quoted 1corinthians 8:5 $ 6 for you..... All d angels in heaven are Gods..... Angel gabriel is a GÓd..... If an angel stood in front of u ,u'll have no choice but to bow down and worship him.... Because u have never seen such brightness and power b4..... Did u look up all d definitions of divine.... All my argument here is that Jesus is not Yahweh..... Look up this scripture and see who Jesus said we shuld direct exclusivÉ worship to... Read matthew 4:10... Just critically study Jesus's reply to satan.... Then u'll rili understand what I've been talkin about New International Version (NIV) 10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]” Jesus ofcus wasn't telin satan to worship Him.... Jesus was defÍnitly referin to Yahweh Satan who knew Jesus long ago b4 we were created or even b4 d world was created knew Jesus wasnt Yahweh..... Infact that's d reason why he tempted Jesus's faithfulness and loyalty to Yahweh...... The last person satan will dare tempt is Yahweh....... But Jesus's firm reply is what assures me of who deserves our whole worship....... Jesus even re-quoted from deutronomy and gave satan that affirmative answer.... |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ckkris: 7:39am On Jun 12, 2012 |
Ijawkid is a polytheist, and he has the right to be whatever he CHOOSES to be. His only problem is trying to use the Holy Bible of absolute monotheism to justify such injurious and futile belief. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 8:37am On Jun 12, 2012 |
ckkris: Ijawkid is a polytheist, and he has the right to be whatever he CHOOSES to be. His only problem is trying to use the Holy Bible of absolute monotheism to justify such injurious and futile belief. Oboy no do o... I'm a strict unitarian like Jesus was and is.... Jesus worshipped one God...... And that's whom I immitate... Not some popes and emperors who have made worship of triad Gods a custom..... Didn't u hear Jesus words.. ""Listen O isreal,Yahweh our God is 1 Yahweh(God)"" I'm a unitarian like d Jews my nigga...... Christianity shuldnt change that...... Mans philosophy is what has brought all this chaos.. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 8:57am On Jun 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: you don't even understand the temptation of Jesus, o.k when Jesus said to satan.'THOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD' what do u tink jesus meant? Did satan tempt God in heaven? So which God was Jesus talking about here? Answer me pls and dnt 4get it was God that spoke that thru moses in deutronomy 6:16 |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 9:13am On Jun 12, 2012 |
ijawkid:and didnt you hear Jesus words again 'i and my fada are one', 'if u av seen me u av sin my fada' didnt u hear dis words? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 10:02am On Jun 12, 2012 |
haibe: And didn't u hear Jesus say ""we are one with him and with the Father"?? Just as Jesus is one with the Father,so we(christians) are one with him,Jesus in us,the Father in Jesus,and both the Father and son in us..... Oneness denotes unity and agreement.. If u've seen a true christian u have seen Jesus Christ...... That is why we are christians..... How many times I go explain this same thing?? The 1john 5:7 $ 8 u guys use in supporting d trinity even explains what oneness means..... Let's analyze verse 8,because I know verse 7 in d KJV was a latin vulgate extract(spurious addition)..... New International Version (©1984) the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. New Living Translation (©2007) the Spirit, the water, and the blood--and all three agree. English Standard Version (©2001) the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. New American Standard Bible (©1995) the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one When d scritptures say the spirit,water and blood are one,u can actually see what it means..... We can't assume that the water=blood=spirit..... That'll be absurd..... They are different entities that are in agreement,in unity... |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ckkris: 10:07am On Jun 12, 2012 |
The Deuteronomy 6:4 that ijawkid cited is declaring the plurality of God, Hebrew Elohim, (as in cherubim or seraphim) which is plural for the one God, whose name is Jehovah. Dem go confuse themself tire. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:16am On Jun 12, 2012 |
Goshen360: Are you aware that being divine different from Deity? Do you also agree with him that Jesus is a God? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 10:50am On Jun 12, 2012 |
even Joagbaje is a god. where is he BTW? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ckkris: 11:32am On Jun 12, 2012 |
@ola It's even worse than your fears. They say that Jesus is an angel, a god, not God. If people realise their ultimate desire, they'll just mob them all, but there's need for that. We'll keep persuading them, as politely as possible, as gentle as the dove, but keep an eye on the serpent. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by haibe(m): 11:47am On Jun 12, 2012 |
@ijawkid, please briefly explain what u undastnd in matew 4:7. Am waiting |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by paris10: 12:42pm On Jun 12, 2012 |
Lenny5000: This is the most idiotic, ignorant and uneducative analogy i've ever heard in my life. What has Time and Egg got to do with the question? it's either Yes Jesus is the same as God or NO Jesus is not. Why not use coconut, who doesn't know that the water in the coconut is part of the coconut? Don't be deceived, there's no two way about this, Jesus or God, you chose! A Phone is different from a Sim-card, yet they work hand-in-hand. Phone is expensive and more important than a Sim-card, albeit without a sim-card, a phone would not be able to use all it functions, but could still function on it's own. Likewise, a CEO or Boss needs employees or workers to sell business ideas and make profits. Should we then say that the employees are the same as their Boss? Moshood Abiola is different from Abdul Abiola, yet they are the same blood. Emphasis should always be laid on the importance of the higher authority. God is a standalone God, though He needs us to bring His plans to fruition, He does not however share His glory with any one. God is God, Jesus is Jesus. And about the holy spirit, pls let us cut the crap, that is the power of God that execute His will. The holy spirit works in Jesus just like the rest of us Christians to carry out God's mandate. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Goshen360(m): 1:03pm On Jun 12, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: Why are you guys like coming on me. When I made that statement, Ijawkid said he agreed Jesus is divine and God. Hence, I made the statement. What we are saying here is that some people here are saying Jesus is the same person of the Trinity Yahweh. They are saying, Jesus is the same as Yahweh. Besides, I have told you times without number, I believe in Trinity. I believe Jesus is God, The Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God. I have said this times without number even on your own thread in some places in the past. What we are saying here is Is Jesus the same person in the Trinity referred to as the Father? This is what some people are interpreting the Trinity to mean. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Goshen360(m): 1:10pm On Jun 12, 2012 |
haibe: Many times on this thread, I have made my stand very clear. I DO NOT believe Jesus is god, I believe Jesus is God. I believe in Trinity. I "think" we have hard time here the way some of you are arguing the matter. What Ijawkid is arguing here is Jesus the same as Yahweh, I mean the father? If Jesus is same as Yahweh, then we are NOT talking about Trinity, we are talking about Twonity, Isn't it? |
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