i am sure you have come across people like this. they are all over the place. they say the new testament was written some 300 years after the messiah and that it is all fake and the only real bible is the old testament. agree or disagree ? ever met people like this ?

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And all this info is from...

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Wrong thread.

Hundreds of millions of people are enjoying not only the New Testament, but the Bible as a whole. Lives are being transformed, the everlasting Kingdom of God in expanding, darkness is receding, as the LIGHT OF THE GOSPEL is reaching more people. Mankind is slowly, but increasingly, being set free from satanic shackles and bondages.
ALLELUIA

Buz.
The New Testament, and The Bible, is an all time Best Seller world wide.. Your attacks are good, so everyone can see The Author of The Bible defend Himself, as He has always done.

LoJ: Never come across them. never, never.

However, they're wrong. First of all, a book like Genesis that speaks of the creation of GOD, has been written thousand of years afterwards by Moses -inspired by GOD. The books of chronicles that speaks about the Kings of Juda and israel were written long time afterwards that is at the end of the babyloninan captivity (about 4 centuries).

Secondly, The books of the New testament were written in the lifetime of most of the apostles: Matthew was one of them, mark was writing the speeches of Peter, John was one of them, James was JESUS' brother, Jude was JESUS' brother, Paul came in some years after JESUS departure, and so forth.

So it is the generation JESUS left that wrote almost all the books of the New Testament. The only book that might be problematic is the book of Hebrew...

Bless ya!

LoJ

Nice piece of info Loj

ckkris: Hundreds of millions of people are enjoying not only the New Testament, but the Bible as a whole. Lives are being transformed, the everlasting Kingdom of God in expanding, darkness is receding, as the LIGHT OF THE GOSPEL is reaching more people. Mankind is slowly, but increasingly, being set free from satanic shackles and bondages.
ALLELUIA

ALLELUIAAAAAA

ckkris: Buz.
The New Testament, and The Bible, is an all time Best Seller world wide.. Your attacks are good, so everyone can see The Author of The Bible defend Himself, as He has always done.

Chief, i aint attackin the bible. I wouldnt dare to. Like my nigga 'big sykes' said ' BOW DOWN TO SOMETHIN GREATER THAN YOURSELF TRICK '

The ignorance on this thread is quite astounding



1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"



1 Corinthians 11:7
A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man

logicboy: The ignorance on this thread is quite astounding



1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"



1 Corinthians 11:7
A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man

You do know that your idea of slavery and the biblical idea of slavery is different right ? joseph was a slave in egypt and eventually became the second in command. shedrach meshayach and abednego and daniel were slaves in ancient babylon but eventually became rulers in the town. slavery in those days simply means househelp. the reason your sense of slavery is warped is because of what the filthy gentiles ( ishmaelites and edomites also known as arabs and whites ) eventually turned it into. but thats what you get when the world is handed over to the gentiles romans 11 vs 11. job 9 vs 24. thats why we now have a warped sense of what slavery is. biblical slavery was different. slaves lived in luxury with their masters.

Logicboy.
Christianity, started and sustained till today by the resurrected Christ Jesus, has never supported slavery, or any type of oppression, or dictatorship. You can see how atheists slaughtered millions of their own people in Communist Russia, Cambodia, Cuba, and even here in Nigeria, if you're aware of what happened in 1960s. Slave, in the context of freedom being preached in the New Testament, is a person who willing submits ABSOLUTELY to the sovereignty of God. Why? Christian law is simple and self-judging, do to your neighbour as you would wish your neighbour to do unto you. If you classify every pastor and church goer as Christian, you could as well classify everyone in England as English.
Sir, if you're not a Christian, it will be difficult for you to know who is one. As Christianity has brought peace, progress, and therefore conquered the world, most people, even non-christians readily, identify with Christian values in matrimony, enterprise, democracy, remember all men are created equal, and the rule of law, that made Barack Obama the president of the USA. People might Nicodemously admire Christianity, but are not. Apartheid, or racial segregation is not Christian Bible practice, and you can see how genuine Christians stood firm against such, beginning with William Wilberforce, among others.

I wish Plaetton will respond to my post.

The bible is the highest best-selling fiction book ever, with some good things here and there, evil and genocide of the worst kind, and premediated torture aand murder. Also a few hundred lies inbetween its covers.

Freedom of expression is one of the things Jesus established on this earth. Before Him there was nothing like that. Every Christian should therefore ensure that anti-christs are free to say what they believe. But let it be acknowledged by all, that there is no freedom of expression, or freedom of any kind whatsoever, in all the countries where it is officially proclaimed that they don't want God. It is also because of Christ that they even timidly speak out against islamic extremism. Otherwise . . . Any dissent is crushed with satanic brutality in non-christian regimes, be it Communist, islamic, or pagan Botwana. And because Christians dominate, and will continue to increase and deepen Christ's domination of this country Nigeria, everyone is free, even free to be wrong, and be gently corrected, with the kind of human dignity that Jesus restored to mankind. JESUS IS LORD.

Shows how limited you are.. there's a difference between religion and tradition.. some tradtions are inherently restricted, some religions are inherently restricted, in some places, religion and tradtion are so interwoven it's difficult to separate both.. That Christianity translates to freedom is a lie...

buzugee: You do know that your idea of slavery and the biblical idea of slavery is different right ? joseph was a slave in egypt and eventually became the second in command. shedrach meshayach and abednego and daniel were slaves in ancient babylon but eventually became rulers in the town. slavery in those days simply means househelp. the reason your sense of slavery is warped is because of what the filthy gentiles ( ishmaelites and edomites also known as arabs and whites ) eventually turned it into. but thats what you get when the world is handed over to the gentiles romans 11 vs 11. job 9 vs 24. thats why we now have a warped sense of what slavery is. biblical slavery was different. slaves lived in luxury with their masters.

I actually thought that you were smart but you have become a slavery apologist and a christian apologist!


Slavery in the bible was even worse that what happened during the transatlantic slavery.

-Did you miss the part where slave masters were allowed to beat their slaves as long as they dont die in 2 days in the bible?

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)"


-Did you miss the instruction on marrying female slaves in the bible that is tantamount to sex slaves?

Maybe you have forgotten what slavery look liked in early times BC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKeq9nWsfI

ckkris: Logicboy.
Christianity, started and sustained till today by the resurrected Christ Jesus, has never supported slavery, or any type of oppression, or dictatorship. You can see how atheists slaughtered millions of their own people in Communist Russia, Cambodia, Cuba, and even here in Nigeria, if you're aware of what happened in 1960s. Slave, in the context of freedom being preached in the New Testament, is a person who willing submits ABSOLUTELY to the sovereignty of God. Why? Christian law is simple and self-judging, do to your neighbour as you would wish your neighbour to do unto you. If you classify every pastor and church goer as Christian, you could as well classify everyone in England as English.
Sir, if you're not a Christian, it will be difficult for you to know who is one. As Christianity has brought peace, progress, and therefore conquered the world, most people, even non-christians readily, identify with Christian values in matrimony, enterprise, democracy, remember all men are created equal, and the rule of law, that made Barack Obama the president of the USA. People might Nicodemously admire Christianity, but are not. Apartheid, or racial segregation is not Christian Bible practice, and you can see how genuine Christians stood firm against such, beginning with William Wilberforce, among others.

Are you mad? Do you want to compare the dead bodies cause by christianity to any other religion? Are you ignorant??

Who did atheists kill in Nigeria? That is a lie. Christianity came to Nigeria through slavery Nigeria has less than 1% atheists.

Even in Cuba, there were slaves transported by christians in Cuba.


Chritian wars and slavery; Hitler, The catholic church, crusades, Christian Eurpean slave trades in West Africa, Spanish inquisitions, Genocide in the bible by isrealites?


Christianity was used to enslave people. D o you how many churches in the UK, USA have apologised for slavery? You deny the involvement of christianity in slavery like a douchebag

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112329862
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/barbados/1510213/Churchs-slavery-apology-is-not-enough.html
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2011/05/27/news/doc4ddedc75f2f11194220527.txt

There are so many churches that have apologised for their involvement in slavery. Their rationale was from the bible.


Yes, christianity was also used to end slavery but it started it in the first place

This is what slavery looked like in the bible;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKeq9nWsfI

ckkris: Freedom of expression is one of the things Jesus established on this earth. Before Him there was nothing like that. Every Christian should therefore ensure that anti-christs are free to say what they believe. But let it be acknowledged by all, that there is no freedom of expression, or freedom of any kind whatsoever, in all the countries where it is officially proclaimed that they don't want God. It is also because of Christ that they even timidly speak out against islamic extremism. Otherwise . . . Any dissent is crushed with satanic brutality in non-christian regimes, be it Communist, islamic, or pagan Botwana. And because Christians dominate, and will continue to increase and deepen Christ's domination of this country Nigeria, everyone is free, even free to be wrong, and be gently corrected, with the kind of human dignity that Jesus restored to mankind. JESUS IS LORD.

Jesus was a coward that said nothing about the slavery around him. Even his apostles talked about slavery

Go and read about the crusades and inquisition before you say that christianity supports freedom

Here are some lovely pictures of how christians treated unbelievers;



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logicboy:


I actually thought that you were smart but you have become a slavery apologist and a christian apologist!


Slavery in the bible was even worse that what happened during the transatlantic slavery.

-Did you miss the part where slave masters were allowed to beat their slaves as long as they dont die in 2 days in the bible?

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)"


-Did you miss the instruction on marrying female slaves in the bible that is tantamount to sex slaves?

Maybe you have forgotten what slavery look liked in early times BC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKeq9nWsfI

The bible is a history book as well as a moral book as well as a book of prophesy. those things you mentioned are the historical aspects. there is a reason the israelites went into captivity and lost control of the world. its because of their deeds. see, not everything in the bible is a lesson in morality. there are many lessons in immorality.

buzugee: The bible is a history book as well as a moral book as well as a book of prophesy. those things you mentioned are the historical aspects. there is a reason the israelites went into captivity and lost control of the world. its because of their deeds. see, not everything in the bible is a lesson in morality. there are many lessons in immorality.

Agreed, so why were you being a slavery apologist before?

logicboy:

Agreed, so why were you being a slavery apologist before?

i wasnt exactly apologizing for it. all i was saying is that it didnt get really diabolical and messed up till further down the line when the israelites fell. slavery got more diabolical as the world progressed because the world got more diabolical. however slavery as it was initially instituted was a way of helping out an unfortunate person. symbiotic relationship. you take them in and give them all they need and they get to help you out a little. cant blame the bible for telling what further happened as time went on. it is simply a historical account, not a moral point being made

buzugee: i am sure you have come across people like this. they are all over the place. they say the new testament was written some 300 years after the messiah and that it is all fake and the only real bible is the old testament. agree or disagree ? ever met people like this ?

Its not true. But Either written 300 years or 400 is not the reason for authenticity ,what counts is the truthfulness of the content. Early apostles have their writings in circulation in thier days .about 70 Ad or so. But it was later compiled as a book in later years. So it wasn't written by some latter grandchildren . They wrote it themselves .others only compiled .

Logicboy.
King David took a woman and killed her husband. Its only The Bible that can punish, and record, such moral failure of a very successful king. Such evil is routine all over the world. Are you denying Sir, that atheists Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, et al, had no compunction in slaughtering millions of own people. Nigerian Communists of 1960s are still alive and active. Example: a senator form the South East. Sir, ATHEISM is a religion of Self worship, but of such brutal heartlessness that wickedness is justified. That's the apparent reason for claiming that there's no God, because The Word of God confirms the relentless VOICE of Conscience. The atheists don't want anyone to remind them of their wicked ways. And that's what Christianity is about, to call all mankind, you and I, to order, and convert them, if they humbly acknowledge their faults.

"Proof Of Plagiarism In The Christian New Testament From The Jewish Old Testament"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-820199.0.html

"Bible Scholars Admit To Bible Text Discrepancies"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-734053.0.html


"Half Of The New Testament Was Forged" - Bible Scholar
https://www.nairaland.com/687029/half-new-testament-forged-bible

Logicboy.
Mary Slessor, and many like her, was Christian, but you refuse to choose her as your model christian. Why? Ok, Boko Haram are Nigerians, so all, or at least most Nigerians, are terrorists. I thought you're a logic boy. What kind of logic do you practise? It is however impossible for your little darkness, like Voltaire's, to comprehend even a small flickering Christian Light. Enjoy the freedom and liberty that Christ established. JESUS IS LORD.

My lil problem is how words like holy ghost,easter,damn,lucifer etc get into d bible?? Just asking...


@logic boy....

How would u explain an employer/employee relationship?

Lagos Shi'te.
Every Christian preacher or writer MUST acknowledge that Christianity is the fulfillment of the Torah, the Prophets, and the Psalms, so plagiarism doesn't arise at all. Its quite exhilarating to study the hundreds of Prophecies that Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled, as the Messiah.

ckkris: Logicboy.
King David took a woman and killed her husband. Its only The Bible that can punish, and record, such moral failure of a very successful king. Such evil is routine all over the world. Are you denying Sir, that atheists Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, et al, had no compunction in slaughtering millions of own people. Nigerian Communists of 1960s are still alive and active. Example: a senator form the South East. Sir, ATHEISM is a religion of Self worship, but of such brutal heartlessness that wickedness is justified. That's the apparent reason for claiming that there's no God, because The Word of God confirms the relentless VOICE of Conscience. The atheists don't want anyone to remind them of their wicked ways. And that's what Christianity is about, to call all mankind, you and I, to order, and convert them, if they humbly acknowledge their faults.

1) Atheism is not a religion

2) Christianity has caused the most dead bodies more than any religion in the world

3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2vt2FD5sc

ea7: The bible is the highest best-selling fiction book ever, with some good things here and there, evil and genocide of the worst kind, and premediated torture aand murder. Also a few hundred lies inbetween its covers.

says the atheist

Joagbaje:

Its not true. But Either written 300 years or 400 is not the reason for authenticity ,what counts is the truthfulness of the content. Early apostles have their writings in circulation in thier days .about 70 Ad or so. But it was later compiled as a book in later years. So it wasn't written by some latter grandchildren . They wrote it themselves .others only compiled .

you are right on the money. i have run into so many people who think otherwise but you are right. it must have been in circulation in their days before it was finally compiled like 300 years later. if it was not divinely inspired the lord would not have inspired the inculcation of it into the bible. MANS WAYS AND STEPS ARE OFF THE LORD SO THE LORD GUIDED SOMEONES STEP TO put it in the bible. PROVERBS 20 VS 24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD

ijawkid: My lil problem is how words like holy ghost,easter,damn,lucifer etc get into d bible?? Just asking...


@logic boy....

How would u explain an employer/employee relationship?

the word easter in the bible is called passover in other bibles. its best to stay away from newer revised editions. KJV is the most accurate