coogar:

with the proper upbringing, i doubt he/she would sext or porn.
but then porn does not necessarily make a child bad.

coogar:
the thread asked if a child should own a cell phone.
you said no......and i bring up a scenario where the kid's first language
is not english. what provision should be made for kids in such category?

coogar:
conveniently ignoring far majority of these kids don't even speak english as their first language.
so a kid bought freshly from the dungeons of congo republic or the pits of afghanistan to stay in
the uk having the problems mentioned by mrbrownjay should do what? hire a translator?

the rule must cater for all n sundry fairly to work.

Sagamite:
Part of upbringing is not exposing a 10 year old to such. Not saying it is insignificant and say they will not look at it or it does not make them bad if they look at it.

This is what you said:

moremi2008: This argument is neither useful nor entertaining. Abeg, take your gidigbo play to the politics section where people argue just to fill-up Internet space.

coogar:

actually, it's even better to expose them to such at 10.
netherlands do this to their kids and they have one of the lowest
teenage pregnancy in the western world. uk/usa who see teenage sex as a taboo
have one of the worst teenage pregnancy rate in the whole world.

as we speak, the uk are looking at modelling their sex education like the
dutch who let their kids watch soft porn in school as part of their education.
restriction often triggers curiosity - when you prohibit it, kids want to know
why it's prohibited and then learn the hard way.

food for thought!

coogar:
ok....substitute majority for minority.
your strict rule has to cater for the minority as well, don't u think?

Sagamite:

I happen to have an ex-girlfriend that was Dutch.

If UK like, let them teach it like a Vatican education. They would still have high pregnancy rates because of their culture.

Culture is an intangible, holistic and complex thing that can not easily be replicated.

What my Dutch ex told me (and she did high school in both UK and Netherlands) is that in Netherlands they teach it as a science, in the UK, they teach it as a precaution (basically, use protection if you decide to do it).

And for the record, the Middle East and places like Singapore have a lower teenage pregnancy rate outside marriage than Netherland. And kids there are prohibited.

I would struggle to integrate a child that can not speak a few words of Engligh in my argument with it feeling like I am boiling the ocean.

I would struggle to think of what proportion of 10 year olds in the UK, US and Nigeria that cannot say a few words of English to say they are going home.

It is insignificant and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.

The confluence of a 10 year old immigrant kid that can not speak a word of English and ending up in a place where an accident happened, police blocked the road and he has no alternative road to reach home is too remote to even give a consideration or justify "10 year olds must then have personal mobiles".

coogar:
if you listen and learn, you would gain more knowledge on this discussion than your usual ad hominem sniping.

coogar:
singapore is a nanny state. i would expect them to have strict laws about sex there.
their "idiagbon" policy won't work in the western world where human rights act have
done more harm than good. middle east is essentially an islamic state. i would expect
them the teenage pregnancy rate in this country to be low as well. however, name a country
in western europe or north america with the same low teenage pregnancy as netherlands and
you would be struggling.

coogar:
the law must cater for all and sundry no matter how remote.
if we prohibit mobile phones in general, what would be the solution
to the immigrant kid whose mother tongue isn't english..........

moremi2008:

Hahaha! You've got nothing to teach me because you're not particularly bright (that's just the honest truth). If I wanted to "gain knowledge", I would consult a book written by an actual pro, read the Nytimes or WSJ, or use Google.

This argument is just a blathering ego-fest especially because your sparring partner, Sagamumu, has at least double your wit and intelligence (and that's not saying very much). It's not even a fair debate anymore.

PS - My ad hominem sniping serves its purpose well: keeping me (and a lot of other people) well entertained. Thanks for noticing.

Sagamite:
I am very happy with their idiagbon policy.

And I can guarantee you that it is the same idiagbon policies that the Indians and Chinese use for their kids in the UK/US and those kids excel. The teenage pregnancy kids are usually the kids raised with modern, funky policies and kids from single parenthood.

The Idiagbon policy mixed with a Sagamite flavour would be robustly reliable in raising a child. (Dead or Alive)

Cater for all and sundry? Chineke! I am not talking about laws here. I am talking about parenting and I can guarantee you no immigrant child who cannot speak English would be in my household.

Who said anything about public prohibition? I talk about Olopaa arresting anybody for giving their child phone so far?

rotiroti: so hard to say.......now a days might be something to have for emergency purposes. With all that's going on in the world...it's a hard one...I think for me when my kids are older I would only for the sake of emergencies and what not.

moremi2008:

Hahaha! You've got nothing to teach me because you're not particularly bright (that's just the honest truth). If I wanted to "gain knowledge", I would consult a book written by an actual pro, read the Nytimes or WSJ, or use Google.

This argument is just a blathering ego-fest especially because your sparring partner, Sagamumu, has at least double your wit and intelligence (and that's not saying very much). It's not even a fair debate anymore.

PS - My ad hominem sniping serves its purpose well: keeping me (and a lot of other people) well entertained. Thanks for noticing.

coogar:
that idiagbon policy would constitute a child abuse here.
hell, it would even be adult abuse. i went to signapore and the place was as clean as heaven.
you're not even allowed to take food/drink to their underground trains. eat, drink and leave
your garbage outside the station.

coogar:
so do you think a child should carry a cell phone?
and if the child's lingua franca lacks any substance to aid communication,
what would you advise?

Sagamite:

You are itching for some intellectual thumping, aint ya?
The idiagbon policy raise me. It was not abuse, it was discipline.
Singapore policy would be perfect for retarded Nigerians, especially in Lagos.

Do I think a typical 10 year old needs a mobile phone? Hell No!

Do I think their might be very rare exceptions where a 10 year old might need a mobile phone? Yes.

Is "it is better to be safe than sorry", or "I want to know where they are", a rare exception? No.

coogar:

i would kill myself if you are half as smart as my index finger.
but i am still alive cos you are not!

ranting like a kid suffering from photosensitive epilepsy does not
epitomise brilliance. you are a herb, a dirty one if i may add.

run back to that sty you crawled out from and lemme see road.
we are talking about intellectuals and this one is signalling.....arrant nonsense!

Sagamite:

You are itching for some intellectual thumping, aint ya?

coogar:

singapore policy where if you spit in public you are fined $1000.
not flushing a public toilet gets you fined $150. that's not
discipline - that's anarchy! if they practise that in western
europe or nigeria, tongues would wag.

fair enough!

Sagamite:

We need some of that juice in Nigeria. Maybe not all, but fcking majority of it.

The country is full of lunatics.

I prefer Singapore's sanity to Nigeria's lunacy.

moremi2008:
Too bad everything about your posts stinks of mediocrity. I am not impressed. Try harder. Let me know when you've graduated from the best Europe has to offer (not that people think very highly of Oxbridge these days) and have proved yourself in the marketplace. Until then, keep collecting e-trophies from your NL championships! I'll keep having a good laugh at your jokes.

moremi2008:

Too bad everything about your posts stinks of mediocrity. I am not impressed. Try harder. Let me know when you've graduated from the best Europe has to offer (not that people think very highly of Oxbridge these days) and have proved yourself in the marketplace. Until then, keep collecting e-trophies from your NL championships! I'll keep having a good laugh at your jokes.



How much has internet "intellectual" arguments put in your malnourished NatWest account lately? I am still waiting on your tattered CV to cross my desk.

coogar:
if it stinks of mediocrity, why don't you just check out
other posts in the family section where you are the resident
expert in calculating women's menstrual period.

ignorant asshat!

Sagamite:

You are a cretin!

Which Community College produced this foool?

A McDonald's counter is not called a desk. Mugu!

MRbrownJAY: ^^^football practice, field trips, music classes, after class studies, private tutor etc the list is long. yes, some may have a driver that take their kids to school and back home, but many live in a world where their kids are out there in the real world.

anyone who has a kid in the west would certainly understand that.

moremi2008: Just what I wanted. These two puppies are now barking at me!
When last did you get laid? You sound mad bitter and jealous because I can command a harem to serve my needs with a blink of an eye. It's not my fault that you're ugly and have zero charm.

levi4real07@yahoo.com:
the easiest and fastest means of currupting a child is through fone especially females. Personall, i condemn it even if ur child is 15 yrs old don't her own a fone but for a male child, no problems.

moremi2008: Just what I wanted. These two puppies are now barking at me!

When last did you get laid? You sound mad bitter and jealous because I can command a harem to serve my needs with a blink of an eye. It's not my fault that you're ugly and have zero charm.

Hahaha! Keeping snapping at my heels. Like I told you earlier, dream bigger; reach further and harder. When you've accomplished something besides being a low-level pencil pusher at MBB, come talk to me and I might give you a job.

Sagamite:

person, who told you I need a job in McDonald's? Is that sucha big dream in your world?

moremi2008:

Louder! The neighbors can't hear your little puppy barks!

jmoore: are u kidding me? A ten year old with a mobile phone for what? Which emergency? school or home emergency? And there is land line at home. It is not advisable to buy one for him/her.