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Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 10:54am On Sep 07, 2012
birdman: Did I just waste my time on 3 pages of garbage evidence and photoshop. Somebody ban this id1ot

Your desire for knowledge led you read all the 3 pages. You have been well fed; admit it!

From the Map below, Europe is practically Northern Africa

Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 11:00am On Sep 07, 2012
pazienza: Jan,you have really done a nice job on this topic,i wanted to take up the topic,but so far there is no need for that.
Truth passes through three stages, first it is laughed at,as odumchi and pagan have done here. Then it is violently opposed and lastly it is accepted as the truth.

It took hundreds of years to brainwash them,you can't undo that by just this thread. All the same,thumbs up.

You are right. It will take more than a thread.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 11:12am On Sep 07, 2012
African Heritage of the Vikings

The Normans were the people who gave their name to Normandy, a region in northern France. They were descended from Viking conquerors of the territory AND the native population. Their identity emerged initially in the first half of the tenth century, and gradually evolved over succeeding centuries. The name "Normans" derives from Nortmanni (Northmen), after the Vikings who conquered Normandy.


http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects/Ships.Sea-faring/02-17-800-36-01.html

http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects/Ships.Sea-faring/92-10-825.html

http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects/Ships.Sea-faring/AfricanIndigenousPopulationInDenmark.html
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 11:22am On Sep 07, 2012
Collection of Black People

All of these people are Black People spread all over the world as a result of migration out of Africa.





Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by birdman(m): 8:37am On Sep 08, 2012
jantavanta:

Your desire for knowledge led you read all the 3 pages. You have been well fed; admit it!

From the Map below, Europe is practically Northern Africa




Umm, no, but thanks for trying. Your heart may be in the right place, but all this is circumstantial evidence. I too can gather a bunch of facts from the internet and convince you I am related to the prince of wales. Whenever you are ready, google Henrike Clark, J G Jackson and Chancellor Williams. That is what counts as real, verifiable, peer-reviewed research. We dont have to make stuff up to be proud of ourselves.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by somalia1: 8:31am On Sep 09, 2012
wow...claiming people...


the first kid on top left is not black...he is somali.


black is not a race. its not an ethnicity. ..its the only thing that unifies u former slaves.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 9:51pm On Sep 11, 2012
birdman:

Umm, no, but thanks for trying. Your heart may be in the right place, but all this is circumstantial evidence. I too can gather a bunch of facts from the internet and convince you I am related to the prince of wales. Whenever you are ready, google Henrike Clark, J G Jackson and Chancellor Williams. That is what counts as real, verifiable, peer-reviewed research. We dont have to make stuff up to be proud of ourselves.
The people you mentioned have not said it all. I have their books right beside me. I suggest you include Yosef Ben-Jochanan in your googling.
We have to see beyond them to realise our full capacities.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 10:05pm On Sep 11, 2012
somalia1: wow...claiming people...


the first kid on top left is not black...he is somali.


black is not a race. its not an ethnicity. ..its the only thing that unifies u former slaves.

Ethiopia almost lost the host nation status for the then Organization of African Unity (OAU) to Ghana, because they expressed your views about their identity.

Nigerian Peacekeeping Troops are very much appreciated in your country as fellow Blacks and as fellow Africans.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by Rossikk(m): 7:39am On Sep 14, 2012
jantavanta: Penny Issued in Barbados in 1792 during the Reign of King George III

Notice his hair and facial features are obviously that of a Black Man. In coins
only the ruler wears the crown



For an enlarged image click here http://www.monnaiesdantan.com/upload/800130.jpg

That's clearly a black monarch.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 7:56am On Sep 14, 2012
Rossikk:

That's clearly a black monarch.

The problem for the claim is that it's not actually a depiction of a monarch:

"Summary:
1 Penny token, Issued by, Sir Philip Gibbs, Barbados, 1792.
Gibbs Plantation Token
Minted at Milton, J. (probably using Royal Mint press) struck on 25 July 1792
Statement Of Significance:
In 1788 the Gibbs Plantation successfully circulated a token coinage featuring a slave and a pineapple throughout Barbados. A second design was sought in 1792 based on the Seal of the island, King George III as Neptune being drawn across the sea in a bega of hippocampi. The dies were engraved by J. Milton of the Royal Mint, London who seems to have supervised the striking on 24 July 1792. The seal was granted by King Charles II on 3 June 1663.
Acquisition Information:
Transfer from National Gallery of Victoria (NGV), 1976

Discipline: Numismatics
Dimensions: 31.5 mm (Diameter)
Weight: 12.553 g (Weight)


Primary Classification: TRADE TOKENS
Secondary Classification: Barbados
Tertiary Classification: working strikes
Series: Plantation
DateEra: 1792 AD
Denomination: 1 Penny
Obverse Description: The head of a slave facing left, wearing a coronet and three feather plume; below, I SERVE; artist's initial, M, incuse on neck trucation.
Reverse Description: King George III (as Neptune) seated in a chariot drawn to left by a pair of hippocampi; above, BARBADOES . PENNY ; in exergue, 1792
Edge Description: Plain
Shape: round
Material: Copper
Issued By: Sir Philip Gibbs, Barbados, 1792
Mint: Milton, London (Mint), London, Great Britain, 1792
Artist: John Milton - Royal Mint, London
References: Pridmore 3.14
Remick C1
Hocking 4113
Bibliography:

[Book], Mr William Hocking - Royal Mint, London Operative, Catalogue of the Coins, Tokens, Medals, Dies and Seals in the Museum of the Royal Mint, London, 1906
[Book], Major Fred Pridmore, The Coins of the British Commonwealth of Nations, Part 3, West Indies, Spink & Son Ltd., London, 1965
[Book], Jerome Remick, British Commonwealth Coins, Regency Coin and Stamp Co. Ltd., Winnipeg, 1971"


http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/77236/token-1-penny-sir-philip-gibbs-barbados-1792



These are coins meant to represent George III from around the same time:





http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/77539/coin-1-guinea-george-iii-great-britain-1790?startType=ItemTimeline&start=19

http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/57736/coin-half-guinea-george-iii-great-britain-1790
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by Rossikk(m): 7:56am On Sep 14, 2012
jantavanta: Now for the benefit of our people from francophone (french-speaking) African countries, let us examine
the Nobility of Ancient France. Allons-y!

As posted earlier in http://www.nairaland.com/955076/black-african-nobility-ancient-europe#11521318 Napoleon Bonaparte
sought to put an end to Black Rule in France and desperately made the Revolution Atheistic in order to wipe out
the Black Image of what the French knew as Divinity.

We are told that Julius Caesar conquered Gaul in 52BC with the defeat of the Black Celtic Ruler Vercingetorix.(The Celts were Black People) Those who grew up on Asterix and Obelix comics can recall the fake images associated with his surrender to Caesar. Here are two coins bearing the images of Vercingetorix:

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Etruria_the_Etruscans_2a.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vercingetorix_stater_CdM.jpg


By the end of the ancient era (B.C.), new invaders had migrated into western Europe from the east; and pushed the remaining indigenous peoples south. These new people were mainly Celts, who had been pushed out of their central European lands by the invading White Germanic tribes.

“.....The Gauls are tall in body, with rippling muscles... They are always washing their hair in limewater and pull it back from the forehead... , so that that they look like Satyrs and Pans; the treatment of their hair makes it so heavy and coarse that it looks like the mane of a horse... some of them shave the beard, but others let it grow a little. The nobles shave their cheeks but let the mustache grow until it covers the mouth....".

Washing their hair in limewater refers to straightening or relaxing their naturally kinky hair.

"....By now, the original people had accepted rule of the conquering Romans, though the acceptance was uneasy. As would be expected, there was almost constant warfare between these two peoples, the western Celts known as Gauls, and the eastern Celts. But their hatred of each other was less than their hatred of Roman rule. There were many rebellions against Rome by both groups. As we can see from Julius Caesar's comments below; Gauls and Celts were the same people. As with all the ancient people of Europe, modern racists have sought to portray them as White people....."

".........Julius Caesar, in his book, Commentarii de Bello Gallico - ca. 50 B.C, comments:

All Gaul is divided into three parts, one of which the Belgae inhabit, the Aquitani another, those who in their own language are called Celts, in ours Gauls, the third. All these differ from each other in language, customs and laws. The Garonne River (roughly divides France and Spain) separates the Gauls from the Aquitani; the River Marne (runs east and southeast from Paris) and the River Seine separate them from the Belgae. Of all these, the Belgae are the bravest, because they are furthest from the civilisation and refinement of (our) Province, and merchants least frequently resort to them, and import those things which tend to effeminate the mind; and they are the nearest to the Germani, who dwell beyond the Rhine (runs north from eastern Switzerland through Germany and the Netherlands to its two-pronged outlet on the North Sea), with whom they are continually waging war.

For which reason the Helvetii also surpass the rest of the Gauls in valour, as they contend with the Germani in almost daily battles, when they either repel them from their own territories, or themselves wage war on their frontiers. One part of these, which it has been said that the Gauls occupy, takes its beginning at the River Rhone; it is bounded by the Garonne River, the Atlantic Ocean, and the territories of the Belgae; it borders, too, on the side of the Sequani and the Helvetii, upon the River Rhine, and stretches toward the north. The Belgae rises from the extreme frontier of Gaul, extend to the lower part of the River Rhine; and look toward the north and the rising sun. Aquitania extends from the Garonne to the Pyrenees and to that part of the Atlantic (Bay of Biscay) which is near Spain: it looks between the setting of the sun, and the north star.

Note: The Helvetii, refers to a conglomeration of Celtic tribes formed by the Helvetian's of southern Germany and numbering in excess of 300,000, who decided to flee the invading White Germanic tribes. ......."


To further explain the origins of the present day White People in France and Germany, they are White Germanic People despite
their differences during Adolf Hitler's invasion of France during World War II


But why is so much attention given to Caesar and less attention given to Black Roman Emperors eg. Septimus Severus?


After the collapse of Roman Empire, Black kingdoms started rising all over Europe. The name France originates from Franks, who were
Black People.

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire.htm
"....A branch of the Angevins, was a royal house founded by Geoffrey V of Anjou, father of Henry II of England. Plantagenet kings first ruled the Kingdom of England in the 12th century. Their paternal ancestors originated in the French province of Gâtinais and gained the County of Anjou through marriage during the 11th century. The dynasty accumulated several other holdings, building the Angevin Empire that at its peak stretched from the Pyrenees to Ireland and the border with Scotland....."



http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire_2.htm
".....The Frankish Realm or occasionally Frankland, was the territory inhabited and ruled by the Franks from the 3rd to the 10th century. Under the nearly continuous campaigns of Charles Martel, Pepin the Short, and Charlemagne—father, son, grandson—the greatest expansion of the Frankish empire was secured by the early 9th century.

Carolingian Empire (800–888) is a historiographical term which has been used to refer to the realm of the Franks under the Carolingian dynasty in the Early Middle Ages. This dynasty is seen as the founders of France and Germany, and its beginning date is based on the crowning of Charlemagne, or Charles the Great, and ends with the death of Charles the Fat. Depending on one's perspective, this Empire can be seen as the later history of the Frankish Realm or the early history of France and of the Holy Roman Empire. The term refers to the coronation of Charlemagne by Pope Leo III in 800. Because Charles and his ancestors had been rulers of the Frankish realm earlier (his grandfather Charles Martel had essentially founded the empire during his lifetime), the coronation did not actually constitute a new empire. Most historians prefer to use the term "Frankish Kingdoms" or "Frankish Realm" to refer to the area covering parts of today's Germany and France from the 5th to the 9th century......."





The subject of the Ethnicity of Charlemagne is treated in further detail in http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-10.html

Here is more expansive detail on the Medieval Crown of Kings of the Holy Roman Empire. http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-32.html


"...It is now 799 A.D, and for the third time in half a century, a Pope is in need of help from the Frankish kings. After being physically attacked by his enemies in the streets of Rome (their stated intention is to blind him and cut out his tongue, to make him incapable of office), Pope Leo III makes his way through the Alps to visit the king of the Franks Charles I at Paderborn. It is not known what is agreed, but Charles I travels to Rome in 800 to support the pope. In a ceremony in St Peter's, on Christmas Day, Leo is due to anoint Charles I's son as his heir. But unexpectedly (it is maintained), as Charles I rises from prayer, the pope places a crown on his head and acclaims him emperor..."




Good heavens. These are all black people.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 8:03am On Sep 14, 2012
Rossikk:

Good heavens. These are all black people.

Are you serious?
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by Rossikk(m): 8:03am On Sep 14, 2012
PhysicsQED:

The problem for the claim is that it's not actually a depiction of a monarch:

"Primary Classification: TRADE TOKENS
Secondary Classification: Barbados
Tertiary Classification: working strikes
Series: Plantation
DateEra: 1792 AD
Denomination: 1 Penny
Obverse Description: The head of a slave facing left, wearing a coronet and three feather plume; below, I SERVE; artist's initial, M, incuse on neck trucation.
Reverse Description: King George III (as Neptune) seated in a chariot drawn to left by a pair of hippocampi; above, BARBADOES . PENNY ; in exergue, 1792
Edge Description: Plain
Shape: round
Material: Copper
Issued By: Sir Philip Gibbs, Barbados, 1792
Mint: Milton, London (Mint), London, Great Britain, 1792
Artist: John Milton - Royal Mint, London
References: Pridmore 3.14
Remick C1
Hocking 4113
Bibliography:

[Book], Mr William Hocking - Royal Mint, London Operative, Catalogue of the Coins, Tokens, Medals, Dies and Seals in the Museum of the Royal Mint, London, 1906
[Book], Major Fred Pridmore, The Coins of the British Commonwealth of Nations, Part 3, West Indies, Spink & Son Ltd., London, 1965
[Book], Jerome Remick, British Commonwealth Coins, Regency Coin and Stamp Co. Ltd., Winnipeg, 1971



Why are we supposed to trust what they're saying here?
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 8:06am On Sep 14, 2012
Rossikk:

Why are we supposed to trust what they're writing here?

The same people who provided this information would probably be the same people that photographed and published the image of that coin and put it on the internet - today's white British. Obviously they didn't think some sort of conspiracy theory would be built around it when they did so. If you don't believe what they claim about it, I wonder why you or jantavanta would cite other old (or not so old) writings published/released by modern white European writers and researchers to make some of the claims being made in this thread.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 11:54pm On Sep 14, 2012
PhysicsQED:

The same people who provided this information would probably be the same people that photographed and published the image of that coin and put it on the internet - today's white British. Obviously they didn't think some sort of conspiracy theory would be built around it when they did so. If you don't believe what they claim about it, I wonder why you or jantavanta would cite other old (or not so old) writings published/released by modern white European writers and researchers to make some of the claims being made in this thread.


So a Black man on a coin has to be a slave! Wearing a crown reserved for kings? I have a feeling that even our custodians of our "traditions" are not free from 200 years of brainwashing.

We Black People have the fundamental human right to use our own sense of judgement and stop waiting for White British people to tell us who we are, before we can move on.

Culture is not just about singing and dancing. We have to translate culture from the fantasy world into the real world.

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Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 12:08am On Sep 15, 2012
PhysicsQED:

The problem for the claim is that it's not actually a depiction of a monarch:

"Summary:
1 Penny token, Issued by, Sir Philip Gibbs, Barbados, 1792.
Gibbs Plantation Token
Minted at Milton, J. (probably using Royal Mint press) struck on 25 July 1792
Statement Of Significance:
In 1788 the Gibbs Plantation successfully circulated a token coinage featuring a slave and a pineapple throughout Barbados. A second design was sought in 1792 based on the Seal of the island, King George III as Neptune being drawn across the sea in a bega of hippocampi. The dies were engraved by J. Milton of the Royal Mint, London who seems to have supervised the striking on 24 July 1792. The seal was granted by King Charles II on 3 June 1663.
Acquisition Information:
Transfer from National Gallery of Victoria
Shape: ...........................

You have taken an interest in coins, even if they are being faked like paintings. Welcome to numismatics!
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by Rossikk(m): 1:12am On Sep 15, 2012
PhysicsQED:

The same people who provided this information would probably be the same people that photographed and published the image of that coin and put it on the internet - today's white British. Obviously they didn't think some sort of conspiracy theory would be built around it when they did so. If you don't believe what they claim about it, I wonder why you or jantavanta would cite other old (or not so old) writings published/released by modern white European writers and researchers to make some of the claims being made in this thread.


You're not supposed to suspend your thinking faculties. What's an alleged ''slave'' doing wearing a coronet on a coin? That's the question you ought to be asking. Coronets and crowns were worn by kings, princes, and noblemen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronet
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 1:31am On Sep 15, 2012
So the British were issuing multiple coins depicting George III looking like a white European, but simultaneously issued one coin depicting a black man with a crown on his head above the words "I Serve" for an island (Barbados) mostly populated at the time by slaves who happened to be black and the conclusion you guys would reach is that the white George III coins are all fakes in some grand conspiracy and the black man with the crown is the only authentic one even though the same white British people photographed and published both groups of coins? I don't think I'm the one that has suspended his thinking faculties here.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 1:39am On Sep 15, 2012
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 1:12pm On Sep 15, 2012
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Indus_Valley_India_1.htm

Whites and Mongols are NOT Races!
White mans division of the worlds people into the three Human races (Black, White and Mongol) is false and self-serving. When a group member of a species with a great variety of physical attributes - such as Black Humans - who exhibit ALL Human attributes: Black skin, White skin (Albinos), Broad noses, Narrow noses, Full lips, Thin lips, Wooly hair, Straight hair, Hair of all colors, Hair of all textures, Very tall people, Very short people, People with Mongol features - breaks away, and forms a "Supergroup" of ONLY those with a "Single" particular distinct attribute, and through some type of isolation - forced or otherwise, breed exclusively among themselves, thus producing offspring with only that one attribute. They create a Sub-species containing ONLY that attribute!

So when isolate members of a species ALL share a common trait, such as (White Skin - Albinism). They do not form a "New" Race, they form a SUB-SPECIES. Thus Whites are NOT a RACE, they are a SUB-SPECIES!

So when isolate members of a species ALL share a common trait, such as (Mongol features). They form a SUB-SPECIES. Thus Mongol is NOT a RACE, it is a SUB-SPECIES!

So when isolate members of a species ALL share a common trait, such as (extreme small stature - Pygmy) . They form a SUB-SPECIES. Thus the Pygmy is NOT a RACE, it is a SUB-SPECIES!

Therefore, there is only ONE RACE - the "All Encompassing" Black skinned Human race: all others are Sub-species.

In modern times, the reason that Whites falsely claim that they originated in Europe is likely embarrassment. They did not discover definitive evidence of their Asian origins until the early 1900s. (Even though the Archeological finds of the previous century should have given them a clue: all the ancient skeletons found in Europe were of Black people - To date, absolutely NO ancient White skeletons have ever been found in Europe - (pre 1,200 B.C.). Whereas skeletons of ancient Africans - Not Neanderthals, Not Cro-Magnons - but "Modern Man" Africans (Homo-sapiens) are found all over the place in Europe, Some from as early as 45,000 B.C. Bog Mummies have also been found in Europe, the oldest being about 10,000 years old; But the oldest White Bog mummies are only from the iron age.

We say embarrassment, because for the previous several centuries, Whites had been building a tale of White superiority and Black inferiority; and had even created the institution of Racism. How then were they to admit that just the opposite was true. Not only were they a people of humble beginnings, but derived from "Defective" Humans (Albinos) too. And all that they had, and had achieved, was derived from that which they had taken from the Black man.

Albinism is a form of hypopigmentary congenital disorder, characterized by a partial or total lack of melanin pigment in the eyes, skin and hair. Albinism is hereditary; The principal gene which results in albinism prevents the body from making the usual amounts of the pigment melanin. Most forms of albinism are the result of the biological inheritance of genetically recessive alleles (genes) passed from both parents of an individual, though some rare forms are inherited from only one parent.

Here is the ancestor of a White European


In their full melaninated state, they would be like this

Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 1:32pm On Sep 15, 2012
PhysicsQED: @ jantavanta, on the Moor heralds:

http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/a/africans-in-medieval-and-renaissance-art-moors-head/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/ssecretum.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackamoors_%28decorative_arts%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maure

This art shouldn't be so hard to get and I don't see what the basis for all this conspiracy building is.

Ha Ha! There goes dictum playing like an infinitely looped recorded message taught to all blackk kids in schools that a black man in history that exits outside the continent of Africa is a slave, ex-slave or a moor who had to wait for invaders from Arabia to each him how to cross the Strait of Gibraltar.

The falsity of White history begins and ends with their desire to hide their true nature; that being that they are derived from Albinos. Their efforts to make all peoples of historical significance White, would appear to be their effort to make themselves the "New Normal" i. e. "See everybody important was White, therefore White is good - the best even!" This fabricated concept of themselves, is obviously so satisfying, and so ingrained, that it has become delusional. Even today, there are many Whites who refuse to believe that the ancient Egyptians, and the other original civilizations as well, were Black people! This in spite of the countless evidences to the contrary: Egypt IS in Africa, there are countless statues and paintings which clearly show them to be Black people. Even scientific studies of ancient Egyptian Bones and Mummy tissue, like this one: Mummy tissue study: [url= http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Study_mummified_soft_tissues.htm]Click >>>[/url], Does not satisfy them. Whites will still doggedly point to artifacts from the periods of Greek and Roman rule and say: See, these are the "Real Egyptians". Of course, there is absolutely no reason why a reasonably intelligent human being, would ever think that the ancient Egyptians were White people, but then again, reason and intelligent thought, have nothing to do with this: This is about a "Need" to believe. This persistence in thinking, is then clearly not intellectual, put rather purely emotional.


These are the actual first europeans. Old Woman and Child

Grimaldi skeletons as displayed in the Musée d'Anthropologie in Monaco




Studying their genes and skeletons, this is how they looked like:



This is how they got out of Africa: Without the need for passport and visa that disturbs our concept of history

Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 1:47pm On Sep 15, 2012
Here is a Chart of the DNA Table of Europe

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/European_DNA_table.htm

To summarize what we know of the ancient Black people of Europe, and their DNA haplogroups.



The White mans claims that DNA study could clearly define who-was-who in ancient history is a BUST! As we can see from the data above: that which we were told were the "White" haplogroups; like R1 and R2, are instead, indisputably "Black" haplogroups. As always; all roads lead "Back" to the Black man.

The DNA Table of Europe of Modern White European Y-DNA clearly shows that there is NO uniquely "White" haplogroups; but rather, all White DNA is derived from Black haplogroups.

Note: the chart has live links to the sources used for the chart. It is interesting and amusing; to read the conclusions drawn, and why they were drawn. It truly gives insight into the minds of these fabricators.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 2:16pm On Sep 15, 2012
Now back to Ancient Europe's Black Nobility. The image of the Mother and child had been Black in Black-ruled Christian Europe, but
started to whiten under artists like Michelangelo.

Black parents white children




Other artists like Domenico Veneziano (1410-1461) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domenico_Veneziano show a slightly whitened child

http://www.artrenewal.org/pages/artist.php?artistid=89



Here is a full size image from http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/domenico-veneziano/the-adoration-of-the-magi-1439
http://uploads1.wikipaintings.org/images/domenico-veneziano/the-adoration-of-the-magi-1439.jpg
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 2:50pm On Sep 15, 2012
After Charles V, the Holy Roman Empire headquartered in Aachen, Germany was still ruled by Black People, continuing with his younger brother Ferdinand I

Kindly observe that the present day Schengen Treaty is a modern version of the Holy Roman Empire. The countries hat constitute the Schengen Treaty have experimented
with disparate Nation-Statism and realised that they are better off under a central treaty.



Ferdinand I (1503 – 1564) was Holy Roman Emperor from 1558, king of Bohemia and Hungary from 1526, and king of Croatia from 1527 until his death. Before his accession, he ruled the Austrian hereditary lands of the Habsburgs in the name of his elder brother, Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor. The key events during his reign were the contest with the Ottoman Empire, whose great advance into Central Europe began in the 1520s, and the Protestant Reformation, which resulted in several wars of religion.

Maximillan II(31 July 1527 – 12 October 1576), the son of Ferdinand I took over:
He was king of Bohemia and king of the Romans (king of Germany) from 1562, king of Hungary and Croatia from 1563, Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire from 1564 until his death



And in 1548 he married Archduchess Maria of Austria (21 June 1528 – 26 February 1603),daughter of Charles V, a Black Woman of Black Parents

Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 3:41pm On Sep 19, 2012
The false tale of White Superiority and Black Inferiority is being sustained through false claims on the racial
identity of inventors: An alleged claim to White Man's Science. Science is Nature's gift to man. Black People are the nucleus
of Creation and being closest to Nature have a more direct access to science.

First of these lies is a claim to White Greeks inventing Philosophy. This is lie is sustained by Hollywood depictions of Ancient Greece as a land of White People. All the Greek philosophers learned Philosophy from Ancient Egypt and during that period, the racial composition Greece was not yet White,
despite the invasion by the White Hellenes from Asia in 1,200BC







Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by kikuyu1(m): 3:50pm On Sep 19, 2012
Don't stop jantavanta,keep the knowledge coming! It is said "the biggest obstacle to learning isn't ignorance but rather the illusions of knowledge." People often find it difficult to accept they've been misled for years,its a normal reaction.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 4:24pm On Sep 19, 2012
Black People were literate thousands of years before the world ever heard of Greeks or Romans or Arabs, so
why do we say today; White Man's Science?

Too many things we take for granted as being the White Man's invention, are the Black Man's Invention.
The effect of the propaganda in our educational curriculum (and in all schools that Black Children pass through all over the world)
makes to assume the a White Man is by default the inventor of something.

Here is a website which appears to have authentic material on the subject
http://www.blackinventor.com/

The Americas is full of Black Inventors. Why should Ancient Europe be different?
If the Rulers of Europe were Black, why couldn't their inventors be Black?
We need to verify the identity of Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Kepler, etc.
The White images associated with these names in our text books are affecting our self-perception.
This has contributed to the difficulty by many in passing mathematics.

How many of know that the carbon filament of the electric bulb was not White Man's but Black Man's inventions?

Napoleon Bonaparte gave exclusive access to White People (like Volta) to knowledge he stole from his Egyptian invasion,
that is why they dominated the beginning of the Electrical Age.

Mathematics and Engineering originated in Africa. Therefore for better results in exams, mathematics in our schools
should not be taught as a White European/Arab Man's idea.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 7:26pm On Sep 19, 2012
@ jantavanta, where in Africa are you from and how long and in which country did you live in Europe? Was it France?
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 4:33pm On Oct 03, 2012
PhysicsQED: So the British were issuing multiple coins depicting George III looking like a white European, but simultaneously issued one coin depicting a black man with a crown on his head above the words "I Serve" for an island (Barbados) mostly populated at the time by slaves who happened to be black and the conclusion you guys would reach is that the white George III coins are all fakes in some grand conspiracy and the black man with the crown is the only authentic one even though the same white British people photographed and published both groups of coins? I don't think I'm the one that has suspended his thinking faculties here.




The white George III coins are posthumous fakes and not simultaneous issues. Posthumous faking of coins is a money-spinning art itself.

The British Royalty first of all disconnected its Black Ancestry. Due to anti-Germany sentiments during World War I,they disconnected
their [Black]Germany ancestry by changing the german-sounding name of their ruling house from House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to House of Windsor in 1917.

Here is the brother of Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, mulatto wife of King George III

Ernst Gottlob Albert von Mecklenburg-Strelitz



Notice the black boys in the background of the painting.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 9:43am On Oct 09, 2012
jantavanta: Edith of England (Old English: Ēadgȳð) (910 – 26 January 946), also spelt Eadgyth or Ædgyth, was the daughter of Edward the Elder, and the wife of Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor. From Wikimedia


Here is the half-brother of Edith from an illuminated manuscript that survived white over-painting:



Æthelstan presenting a book to St Cuthbert (934), chief saint of the English far north; the earliest surviving royal Anglo-Saxon portrait

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Athelstan.jpg

Æthelstan or Athelstan (Old English: Æþelstan, Æðelstān; c. 893/895 – 27 October 939) from the House of Wessex was King of the West Saxons from 924 to 927, and King of the English from 927 to 939. He was the son of King Edward the Elder and his first wife, Ecgwynn.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by navygrl: 3:33am On Oct 10, 2012
While blacks did exist in Europe in the middle ages (evidence found in folklore and fairy tales of the time) the photographs of people who died long before that technology was invented as well as doctored images only discredits your claim. Side not kinky hair is not a black only trait. And in the early years of Europe the paper you were the more wealthy you were assumed (no tan from working in the fields).
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 10:59pm On Oct 13, 2012
navygrl: While blacks did exist in Europe in the middle ages (evidence found in folklore and fairy tales of the time) the photographs of people who died long before that technology was invented as well as doctored images only discredits your claim. Side not kinky hair is not a black only trait. And in the early years of Europe the paper you were the more wealthy you were assumed (no tan from working in the fields).

Black People are the nucleus of Creation. We do not need to doctor paintings or manufacture fake coins. White people did not exist in Europe before 1200BC,
that is why they are busy digging Egypt looking for a history here in Africa, claiming that Ancient Egyptians are White People.

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