Pukkah:

The hypocrisy refers to the developed countries who discourage undeveloped/poor countries from being hard and firm although they applied the same tactics to become developed.

Kobojunkie:

Well, then they probably need to be treated like children until they get it. And when they do finally get it, it is OK(not hypocritical) to be liberal with them then.

PHIPEX: is that a slang? I don't understand what you are saying.

ballabriggs:

Now you are coming back to your senses. China I know would eventually be a liberal state because they are very intelligent people. However, at this initial stage of development, where citizens are not mature enough to make economic and social decisions, liberalism is a no no. Even in the liberal states today, regulation is being emphasized to guide and protect the economic and social decisions of citizens as the economic and social space becomes more complex.

Kobojunkie:

I wholly disagree with you. We are definitely not talking the same thing here. The Chinese people are about some of the most mature people on the planet. You cannot compare the average Chinese person with the average Nigerian person . .. completely on different levels, intellectually and in reasoning.
What is happening in China is something completely different from what we are on here. In much the same way you cannot compare the situation where you have a Parent lovingly correcting a child with the cane, and an out of control parent who beats their own whenever the frustrations of life get to em.

denko: this is what im saying he thought he can just take law into his hand and shoot whom he dream is corrupt. you cant operate democracy like that

ballabriggs:

If I'm to get you right, how does the average Chinese person reason?

T9ksy: If his antecedent is anything to go by, what mallam buhari is saying is basically that all

southern lootocrats should be shot while their northern counterparts will be placed under house arrests or

given light sentences.

Stacey Banks: olodo! He never said he was going to do it himself. He's just advicing GEJ to do that if he really wants to tackle corruption. Abi u read am upside down ni?

denko: this is what im saying he thought he can just take law into his hand and shoot whom he dream is corrupt. you cant operate democracy like that

Kobojunkie:

No need. . . It is just OK that you know that we are not discussing the same thing here. And I think it best we not derail the thread any further.

mai gaskiya: u knw wan die but u wan go heavn

ballabriggs:

China has got strict laws that has aided its development. People scream China and growth but do not realise the pain it has taken to achieve this. For example China's one child policy has aided its economic growth. This is in line with Solow's economic growth model where population growth rate is emphasized in aiding economic growth. Imagine the government telling me how many times I should impregnate my wife. It may not be right to some, however for China this has been critical to economic growth. Let the West save their trash to themselves. It is a known fact that slavery contributed immensely to their growth and development. Was slavery liberal in thought? What we say here is that at the initial stage of development of most countries did not go the liberal way. It is important for the state to sway the economy to the intended direction and then we can talk of liberalism.

ballabriggs:

Now you are coming back to your senses. China I know would eventually be a liberal state because they are very intelligent people. However, at this initial stage of development, where citizens are not mature enough to make economic and social decisions, liberalism is a no no. Even in the liberal states today, regulation is being emphasized to guide and protect the economic and social decisions of citizens as the economic and social space becomes more complex.

Demdem: ail Or Shoot Them: Buhari On SaharaTV by Demdem(m): 9:13am

dr stone: What i find amusing about this interview, is this reinforcement, that in Life, the Leopard can never change its spots. And no matter how beautiful the skin-coat of a leopard is, make no mistake of entrusting your well being to it. The leopard is genetically wired to devour and kill and suck BLOOOOOOOD! He wont even blink or show emotion, because to it, it is a way of life, the only way it knows.........So lets come back to the Interview, shoot the Corrupt...OK!What of the religious fanatics who are his kinsmenhuh??....negotiate with them and give them amnesty package. I think it is this his un-nigerian bent that is the achilles heel in his persona. He has a soft spot for the malaise in his brothers, but knows how to wield the iron hammer on those he feels he really has no special blood links with. Give such a man, Power and all corrupt people, as well as those percieved by him to be corrupt are sent to Hell, That of course is not meant for those folks of his or any with his ideological bent. Put lucidly that means, those who show dissent to him at any point 'P' are at risk of their very lives. Just give them a bad name and hang the living poo out of them bastards. That is the ABC of DRACONIANISM. I read a piece by WOLE SOyinka the other day, it was very instructive.....However the problem is most contributors to NAIRA land do not have the relevant years of experience and observation of facts with regards to nigeria...over 60% were born btw 1980- 1990. They do not know who TAI Solarin was. They do not know who Ambrose Alli was, they do not know who Micheal Ajasin was. Secondly, to those who know the general very well, His fanatical religious bent is far worse than his Ethnocentricism. The Oracle told him to take Pastor Bakare alongside him, thats why he could sway the gullible few who are young and have no record of his antecedents. A man who has not submitted himself to regulatory structures and PONTIFICATES on his opinion is to be wisely put on hold and set aside. It is even sad that the north has no shining light to offer apart from the expired likes of IBB,BUHARI and ATIKU. As at now that we speak over 65% of Nigeria's lucrative Oil Blocks are in the hand of Core northern elements in the last 30 yrs and yet the region is the poorest in the World. Bola Tinubu might be corrupt, which is yet to be proven, but look at what he has been able to do in the SWest.Tinubu is a small fry where this guys are. The Abacha's said no matter how much was recovered from them, they can never be as poor as Dangote. I hope you guys know Aliko DaNGOTE? fOR THE SAKE OF COMPARISON, the earning from one of this oil blocks is triple what the entire nation of Ghana makes from oil sale in a year. Most of the Oil Block license concessions are due to expire btw 2014-2018. Can you see why the whole polity is being HEATeD Up?? ITS REALLY ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES and who grabs it.-_Dont be fooledby the political class.


na wa oo, why are u shivering? Are u corrupt?
Not to worry, the retardeen is still the president till 2015 so u have all the time to plan ur escape strategy for a few days though because we will make sure u are extradited back to your homeland where u will be killed for corruption. of cos if u are innocent, u have nothing to fear.

[I ASK AGAIN, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE IBB's,ALHAJI UMAR MUTALLAB's, ALHAJI ALHAJI, ALHAJI MAI DERIBE's,THE ABACHA's, DANTATA's, ALL THE NORTHERN FULANI GENERALS USING THEIR MONEY FOR(I can assure you that when Buhari talks of shooting, he does not mean these ones)?]

ballabriggs:

China has got strict laws that has aided its development. People scream China and growth but do not realise the pain it has taken to achieve this. For example China's one child policy has aided its economic growth. This is in line with Solow's economic growth model where population growth rate is emphasized in aiding economic growth. Imagine the government telling me how many times I should impregnate my wife. It may not be right to some, however for China this has been critical to economic growth. Let the West save their trash to themselves. It is a known fact that slavery contributed immensely to their growth and development. Was slavery liberal in thought? What we say here is that at the initial stage of development of most countries did not go the liberal way. It is important for the state to sway the economy to the intended direction and then we can talk of liberalism.

ballabriggs:

China has got strict laws that has aided its development. People scream China and growth but do not realise the pain it has taken to achieve this. For example China's one child policy has aided its economic growth. This is in line with Solow's economic growth model where population growth rate is emphasized in aiding economic growth. Imagine the government telling me how many times I should impregnate my wife. It may not be right to some, however for China this has been critical to economic growth. Let the West save their trash to themselves. It is a known fact that slavery contributed immensely to their growth and development. Was slavery liberal in thought? What we say here is that at the initial stage of development of most countries did not go the liberal way. It is important for the state to sway the economy to the intended direction and then we can talk of liberalism.

dr stone:


@Demdem, I see that for all you care, your understanding of justice is limited to the word corruption in public office.

[b]Ur opinion and u are definately wrong.

Ethnic cleanising, religious persecution and terrorism is of no importance to you, more especially since it does not concern you and you have not lost any close relative to it at the moment You dont have relatives killed for no reason but for their religious inclinations.[/b]

What has Buhari said that may suggest he is advocating for this? he said all corrupt Nigerians must be prosecuted, jailed and better still killed. what is wrong with that? besides in a democratic setting which he is hoping to get, laws will have to be passed i the NASS ensuring that the corrupt are killed as its being done in some countries.


It does not matter 2 u that a particular section of northern elites have cornered the wealth derived from places they dont come from and have kept us in debt, inspite of their stupendous cornering of the country's wealth. while others are forced into unemployment and miseries.... the type of miseries that make southerners cross the arid sahara to make it to a better life in europe. the type that has forced people in the south to send their girls 4 prostitution in europe so they can have a taste of the good life.. the type that has forced a lot of nigerians into fraudsters and drug couriers.... [I ASK AGAIN, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE IBB's,ALHAJI UMAR MUTALLAB's, ALHAJI ALHAJI, ALHAJI MAI DERIBE's,THE ABACHA's, DANTATA's, ALL THE NORTHERN FULANI GENERALS USING THEIR MONEY FOR(I can assure you that when Buhari talks of shooting, he does not mean these ones)?]

[b]U are just talking jargons. what does this have to do with Buhari? Is buhari Mai deribe or Mutallab? Infact these people u are calling are even scared for a Buhari presidency because they regard him as an unpredictable person. They themselves are scared that their loot will be taken away from them if buhari gets to Aso Rock. i sense some level of ethnic bigotry in ur words. because some northerners has serious issues doesnt mean all have issues and deoesnt mean that the "messiah" of Nigeria cant still come from the same north. Support buhari, all these menace u highlighted up there will seize simple.

this same BUhari maltreated the Oni Of Ife and Ado bayero just because 2 of them visited Israel on a business trip back then in '84. ...am sure u were a kid then.

[b]In ur dreams besides its this the only thing u can remember during his short stay as head of state? ur hypocrisy knows no bound

Fashola in lagos is making Strides without sheddinng BLOOOOD or being Blood thirsty and being a leader 4 all.... Take a cue from him. there are many ways of killing a rat without having to shed blood.

[b]Fashola is making "manageable" strides and his opponents will tell u that the main reason why he cant make "major" strides is because of Tinubu. The truth is if not for corruption, he would be able to do more than this within a very short time so there is still the need to cleanse our "super" lagos from corruption also. This issue is endemic all over the country


The first Coup in this country that later plunged he country into an avoidable civil war years later, has been premised on destroying corrupt people and stamping out corruption...it ended the lives of the likes of Sardauna and Co...the same people that are being eulogised today as great leaders. every other successful coupist have based their rationale on the fact that they want to cleanse the polity and under them we had record billions being siphoned[/b].

My friend, u have nothing to fear if u are not corrupt. Buhari cant become president and start killing in a democratic setting. Laws will have to be enacted by the NASS mandating such but in the mean time he can proceed in arresting, interrogating and jailing after prosecution as the current law suggests. all what u wrote up there were simply during military era where virtually anything goes so not applicable.


I can Categorically tell you that Buhari cannot Look at IBB in the Eye to try him, talkless of Shooting him...Even the Thought shall crush him.

On what basis? u obviously dont know what u are talking about. The mere fact that he is the only one among ALL Nigerian politicians talking about this speaks volume

Abacha chased away small small southern thieves in the name of prosecuting failed bank chiefs only to become the biggest looter in Nigeria's history. Your guy, BUHARI served him well and continues to defend the thief. Sorry, Praise the thief.. But let it be an Oyegbola or Madubuko......They will be hanged 7times....I am already shedding tears for KEN SAR-WIWA as i write.

leave tori, tell me what issues u have with Buhari about corruption? is he also corrupt? u are just rambling

Even the reference to Ghana is funny, look at your peculiar environment and develop solutions most suitable to it.

be specific if u can and stop being vague

With the help of astute Political propaganda, buhari is portrayed as an incoruptible person....

of cos he is an incorruptible person till date and its not any propaganda. he has openly requested any one that has anything linking him to any corrupt practice should come out. which of any of ur miserable politicians dare say such. Even the retardeen cant.

He has serious defects that hinder his credibility. he that comes to equity must come with clean hands....AND this your man B?UHARI, does not have clean hands, but BLOOODY HANDS[/b].

[b]allegations upon allegations, killer this, boko that, corper killer etc yet the man still they on his farm in Daura farming and the security agents havent in anyway picked him up for questioning. Abegiii talk something new.

In 2015, He is hoping for more blooood, again trust me, it is the blood of Christians in the North He is loooking for. He should advise himself and those who follow him.

me sef, i want all rigger's blood and those that facilitate rigging to be spilled for all to see as stated bu Buhari

manny4life: I don't want to have this man as president, else Nigeria is in serious doom. Yes, jail or even kill them, but he's not the right person to do so.

dr stone:


@Demdem, I see that for all you care, your understanding of justice is limited to the word corruption in public office. Ethnic cleanising, religious persecution and terrorism is of no importance to you, more especially since it does not concern you and you have not lost any close relative to it at the moment You dont have relatives killed for no reason but for their religious inclinations. It does not matter 2 u that a particular section of northern elites have cornered the wealth derived from places they dont come from and have kept us in debt, inspite of their stupendous cornering of the country's wealth. while others are forced into unemployment and miseries.... the type of miseries that make southerners cross the arid sahara to make it to a better life in europe. the type that has forced people in the south to send their girls 4 prostitution in europe so they can have a taste of the good life.. the type that has forced a lot of nigerians into fraudsters and drug couriers.... [I ASK AGAIN, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE IBB's,ALHAJI UMAR MUTALLAB's, ALHAJI ALHAJI, ALHAJI MAI DERIBE's,THE ABACHA's, DANTATA's, ALL THE NORTHERN FULANI GENERALS USING THEIR MONEY FOR(I can assure you that when Buhari talks of shooting, he does not mean these ones)?] this same BUhari maltreated the Oni Of Ife and Ado bayero just because 2 of them visited Israel on a business trip back then in '84. ...am sure u were a kid then. Fashola in lagos is making Strides without sheddinng BLOOOOD or being Blood thirsty and being a leader 4 all.... Take a cue from him. there are many ways of killing a rat without having to shed blood. The first Coup in this country that later plunged he country into an avoidable civil war years later, has been premised on destroying corrupt people and stamping out corruption...it ended the lives of the likes of Sardauna and Co...the same people that are being eulogised today as great leaders. every other successful coupist have based their rationale on the fact that they want to cleanse the polity and under them we had record billions being siphoned. I can Categorically tell you that Buhari cannot Look at IBB in the Eye to try him, talkless of Shooting him...Even the Thought shall crush him. Abacha chased away small small southern thieves in the name of prosecuting failed bank chiefs only to become the biggest looter in Nigeria's history. Your guy, BUHARI served him well and continues to defend the thief. Sorry, Praise the thief.. But let it be an Oyegbola or Madubuko......They will be hanged 7times....I am already shedding tears for KEN SAR-WIWA as i write. Even the reference to Ghana is funny, look at your peculiar environment and develop solutions most suitable to it.
With the help of astute Political propaganda, buhari is portrayed as an incoruptible person....He has serious defects that hinder his credibility. he that comes to equity must come with clean hands....AND this your man B?UHARI, does not have clean hands, but BLOOODY HANDS[b][/b]. In 2015, He is hoping for more blooood, again trust me, it is the blood of Christians in the North He is loooking for. He should advise himself and those who follow him.

Demdem:

ok, ur opinion is noted and respected but can u suggest anyone that can do this honourable service for us?

manny4life: I don't want to have this man as president, else Nigeria is in serious doom. Yes, jail or even kill them, but he's not the right person to do so.