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Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Kobojunkie: 11:35pm On Jul 10, 2012 |
wesley80: I asked earlier if I was speaking in tongues. Sigh!!! Again . . . Paul Allen is associated with Vulcan Energy Corp, Vulcan Inc. and Vulcan Capital Corp. However Paul Allen is not associated with the company, if it exists, that the Nigerian Government claims it signed this MOU with. The link I provided makes that clear by placing a correction there so those reading the article would not confuse the company they are reading about with those affiliated with Paul Allen. capital.vulcan.com is Affiliated with Paul Allen BUT IS NOT the company we are looking for. Please contact the following Andrew Cole Sard Verbinnen & Co 212-687-8080 Christina Siderius Vulcan Inc. Media Relations 206-342-2000 http://capital.vulcan.com/Contacts/Index.html And they will gladly provide you with this information. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by wesley80(m): 11:47pm On Jul 10, 2012 |
Kobojunkie: The link you provided called Vulcan Petroleum an affiliate of Vulcan Capital and I'm certain the correction was done after checks showed they were actually two distinct companies. If the company was phoney as you seem to suggest, I'm sure the Reuters journalists wld have refrained from associating it with any other company. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Kobojunkie: 11:47pm On Jul 10, 2012 |
wesley80: Again, Kobojunkie: I am not speaking in tongues here . . . And the link clearly tells you . . . (Corrects company name to Vulcan Petroleum, which is not related to Paul Allen's Vulcan Energy) If someone says IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, what does that tell you? That it still has something to do with the person? Really?? |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by VoodooDoll(m): 11:52pm On Jul 10, 2012 |
For the avoidance of doubt, Paul Allen's Vulcan PE is based in Seattle and not New York. There is a certain clown who can neither read, write nor comprehend (Wesley80, I'm looking at you). Wesley80, please for the sake of your sanity and your family's shame, go and speak with the FGN for your answers..... Paul Allen does not own the right to "Vulcan" as a name or word, therefore anybody, you, the mad man in Yaba and the Almajiri in Borno can form a Vulcan blah blah and sign one million MOUs... that does not make it Paul Allen's Vulcan... |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Kobojunkie: 11:53pm On Jul 10, 2012 |
You beat me to it. Vulcan Capital was formed in 2003 and is headquartered in Seattle, Washington. The firm serves as the investment arm of Vulcan Inc., founded by Paul G. Allen, co-founder of Microsoft. http://capital.vulcan.com/AboutVulcanCapital/Index.html 1 Like |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by wesley80(m): 12:09am On Jul 11, 2012 |
VoodooDoll: For the avoidance of doubt, Paul Allen's Vulcan PE is based in Seattle and not New York. There is a certain clown who can neither read, write nor comprehend (Wesley80, I'm looking at you). You're free to entertain yourself with your clownish antics - its no problem to me, some of us have built a reputation out of putting morons and clowns in their place and it is with good reason that I've chosen to ignore you. I honestly couldn't care less about Paul Allen being involved or not - it isn't what I seek to establish but my grouse is that in trying to keep him out of this, all you guys 've done is deny Vulcan Petroleum any credibility by totally ignoring its affiliation with Vulcan Capital a company which unfortunately (as it were) has got some ties with Mr Allen. I have my reservations and questions about the entire deal but unlike you hardcore, unrepenant and unapologetic pessimists, I'm staying positive. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Nobody: 12:17am On Jul 11, 2012 |
Just to make matters succinctly clear... Vulcan Capital Management, based in New York, owns (or has some connection to) the slippery Vulcan entities which continue to evolve between an array of physical states under different names http://www.vulcancapital.com/ Vulcan Capital is housed in Seattle and was founded by Paul Allen in 2003 -- http://capital.vulcan.com/ It is rather interesting, I think, that Paul Allen's crowd has been issuing disclaimers for ventures involving the other Vulcan group for close to 10 years now. Paul Allen, the billionaire co-founder of Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) and chairman of Charter Communications (nasdaq: CHTR - news - people ), is to invest $1.6 billion in one of the world's poorest nations, the southern Asia country of Bangladesh. Allen is to pour money into building power and fertilizer plants in Bangladesh-- the country's economy is based on agriculture. Allen will make the investment through a subsidiary of his personal investment vehicle Vulcan Capital, Global Vulcan Energy International. Vulcan will plough $900 million into new gas-run power plants with a total 1,800 megawatts of capacity to help meet Bangladesh's power shortfall. Two plants churning out 140,000 tons of organic fertilizer will set Allen back a further $200 million. Rice, tea, sugarcane, tobacco and wheat are the chief crops in the country, and Bangladesh is also the world's largest producer of jute, a fiber used for baling and sacking. And things are already well underway: Vulcan's president, Ford F. Graham visited possible plant sites last week and met with Bangladeshi officials. <<<False report published by Forbes>>>Source |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by VoodooDoll(m): 12:19am On Jul 11, 2012 |
@Wesley80 Whatever man, just don't make stuff up (otherwise known as lying) and try to pass turds as muffins. We're too far gone in the land of mediocrity to keep applauding gimmicks and infantile gestures wrapped up as "accomplishments". FGN is still populated and led by an incompetent man advised by even more incompetent clowns. I got involved in debunking this particular turd the 40 laptop crew were laying because I could personally debunk it. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by wesley80(m): 12:22am On Jul 11, 2012 |
^^ And you think you have? Seriously? Which Circus do you perform? I'm sure the kids wld love your show! |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by wesley80(m): 12:30am On Jul 11, 2012 |
eGuerrilla: Just to make matters succinctly clear... This wld only become an issue when a certain individual clled Paul Allen is mentioned when he's got nothing to do with the venture. Ford Graham and Kevin Davies chair some other Vulcan group which has a decent record - never forget that. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Nobody: 12:36am On Jul 11, 2012 |
wesley80: It beats me how you can continue to speak in riddles when it has been made abundantly clear that the other group has failed to deliver on a much smaller project in Sokoto. There is absolutely no harm in admitting you are vacant on the question posed to begin with, you know. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Nobody: 12:39am On Jul 11, 2012 |
Should the Nigerian government have signed a MOU with a company like Vulcan Petroleum Resources? [img]http://4.bp..com/-oRwwA8nOmmI/TccC0HpklqI/AAAAAAAAAJo/TWMXpWxt1ug/s1600/you+decide.jpg[/img] |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by wesley80(m): 12:43am On Jul 11, 2012 |
eGuerrilla: Please remind me, what company was it that built the Lagos independent power project during the time of Tinubu? |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Nobody: 1:00am On Jul 11, 2012 |
wesley80: You are more than capable of setting out your stall, by responding directly to some of the concerns raised on this thread. If you've got useful information to pass on - to assuage minds - then please feel free to do so. Though I may be wrong, since your preference appears to be as obtuse as possible, I will indulge you just this once but won't do so again. Four years after huge investment Lagos power plants scarcely work Source |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Kobojunkie: 3:02am On Jul 11, 2012 |
wesley80: I honestly couldn't care less about Paul Allen being involved or not - it isn't what I seek to establish but my grouse is that in trying to keep him out of this, all you guys 've done is deny Vulcan Petroleum any credibility by totally ignoring its affiliation with Vulcan Capital a company which unfortunately (as it were) has got some ties with Mr Allen. I have my reservations and questions about the entire deal but unlike you hardcore, unrepenant and unapologetic pessimists, I'm staying positive. Let's start with a question for you. Where is your evidence that Vulcan Petroleum is affiliated with Vulcan Capital CORP. cause Vulcan Capital corp. is Paul Allen's company. Ford's Vulcan Capital Management is the company that was fingered in the article on Sokoto Project . . impeccable, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_Capital_Management Vulcan Energy International, LLC - Created in 2003, Vulcan Energy International (VEI) provides power plant solutions and services to customers world-wide. VEI’s projects include Vulcan Elvaton Limited, which in 2008 was contracted by the Sokoto State government of Nigeria to build a $25 million (N3.8 billion) 30 megawatts gas turbine power station.[11] and GVEI, which announced in 2005 the investment of more than $1.6 billion in power production, coal mining and fertilizer production in Bangladesh.[12] |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Gbawe: 4:38am On Jul 11, 2012 |
wesley80: I have read your submissions with amusement. No one is trying to "keep" Allen out of anything. Perhaps you would realise this if you are not simply confused while, as usual , your egotistic stubbornness, displayed too many times on this forum, will not allow you to graciously admit you don't know what you are talking about. It is pathetic to continue arguing blindly for the sake of it. Vulcan Capital Management , founded in 1997 by Ford Graham and Kevin Davis, has absolutely nothing to do with Vulcan Inc founded in 1986 by Paul Allen !!! Indeed, Wikipedia makes this crystal clear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_Capital_Management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_Inc.
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Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by wesley80(m): 7:09am On Jul 11, 2012 |
eGuerrilla: Yeah thanks. Sorry it took this long - had to do the needful. I actually was thinking about the Enron barge power project a deal that completely went sour and which AES had a major hand in as a partner to now liquidated Enron. My point? One bad deal/project doesn't necessarily translate to complete incompetence. Why would anyone ignore an investor that has on its own promised to pour in billions of dollars into your economy simply cos it has a failed project somewhere in your country? |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by wesley80(m): 7:28am On Jul 11, 2012 |
Gbawe: Granted. Now what's this whole thread about? That Ford Graham and Kevin Davis' Vulcan group are incapable of delivering 6 new refineries in Nigeria cos they had a bad deal in Sokoto and that Vulcan could actually be phoney right? The opening piece portrayed both men as conmen and their country chair as a hater of everything Nigerian which could be true for all I care, but what really are the questions over this deal? Capacity, competence or pedigree? Tell me why Ford Graham and Kevin Davis's Vulcan should be bad news to Nigeria - Ok I get it now; Sokoto! |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Demdem(m): 9:30am On Jul 11, 2012 |
Another fraud in the making and yet someone will tell me here that the Retardeen knows what he is doing? |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by na2day(m): 9:51am On Jul 11, 2012 |
@op Another monumental scam! All Hail Corruptiontopia! - Nigeria |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by erniok(m): 10:34am On Jul 11, 2012 |
@demdem, ur hatred for GEJ is taking another dimension. This is Sokoto Govt involved. Prof Barth Nnaji did not sign the contract, it was signed by the secretary †☺ the state govt. Read the piece again. All theses happen in Naija cos the people neva demand the leaders †☺ be accountable for every dime spent in office. believe Sokoto state govt still has elders forum who should petition the appropriate authorities †☺ get justice as its obvious D̶̲̥̅̊A̶̲̅☂ the coy was out ab initio †☺ defraud the state aided by incompetent civil servant who should be cooling his heels behind jail. Howbeit, the writer has personal grudges with Vulcan and should have separated facts from emotions. It makes the write look like 'm out †☺ ge U̶̲̥̅̊ stuff. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Kobojunkie: 11:30am On Jul 11, 2012 |
erniok: @demdem, ur hatred for GEJ is taking another dimension. This is Sokoto Govt involved. Prof Barth Nnaji did not sign the contract, it was signed by the secretary †☺ the state govt. Read the piece again. Are you joking? So the Government does not even do simple research work before it signs contracts/MOUS and it is the fault of the people?? This small investigation done by Nigerians in diaspora in less than 24 hours could not have been done by Government officials we expend millions of dollars on each year? And what's even worse, there is evidence, right there in the country that the Vulcan this MOU is being signed with might be the same Vulcan that essentially defrauded Sokoto Government but boasts of an achievement on it's wiki page and here you are blaming the citizens for this? Why is the Presidency claiming it as it's achievement IF we are not to blame him at all for this? Personal Grudges with Vulcan? I am one second away from labeling you a dingbat and ridding myself of all hope that you will ever get it. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Bawss1(m): 11:30am On Jul 11, 2012 |
erniok: @demdem, ur hatred for GEJ is taking another dimension. This is Sokoto Govt involved. Prof Barth Nnaji did not sign the contract, it was signed by the secretary †☺ the state govt. Read the piece again. Is this supposed to be in defense of Vulcan? Try again |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by debosky(m): 11:30am On Jul 11, 2012 |
Why do we need four refineries from Vulcan? What happened to the 3 greenfield refineries that would be built in partnership with the Chinese? Only in Nigeria do you have such a ridiculous number of paper-refineries which never see the light of day. Over 20 licenses have been issued, no refinery is operational, but some corrupt MOFOs want us to believe that Vulcan fraudsters will be the ones to change things? Let them keep deceiving themselves. 1 Like |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Kobojunkie: 11:37am On Jul 11, 2012 |
Now I am moved to investigate the Greenfield deal and any other deal I can. If Vulcan is legit, it should be forced to present some evidence of it's existence rather than be allowed to go on like this. How can a multi-billon dollar firm not even get it's own names right? Any Nigerian here in NY? Please help us visit the office of Vulcan Capital Management in downtown NY now. Make we at least make sure say no be store room or something of that nature. 1 Like |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Olaone1: 11:59am On Jul 11, 2012 |
In politics I trust So help me God |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by debosky(m): 12:01pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
@ Kobo I don't even think this latest 'Vulcan Petroleum' is related to the NY or Seattle Vulcans - it appears to be a completely different company based out of California: http://www.yellowpages.com/commerce-ca/mip/vulcan-petroleum-co-582276 http://www.superpages.com/bp/Commerce-CA/Vulcan-Petroleum-CO-L2064045147.htm They seem to be lubricant distributors and nothing else - from lubricant distributors to building 6 refineries? Naija magomago has moved to a different level entirely. Now seriously, the company allegedly building 6 refineries is Vulcan Petroleum Resources Limited - I haven't seen any information available affiliating this firm with the NY or Seattle Vulcans, other than the attribution in the Reuters report. Even Vulcan Capital's website bears no information indicating it is affiliated with Vulcan Petroleum Resources Limited. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Kobojunkie: 12:04pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
No, I don't think Vulcan Petroleum Co is Vulcan Petroleum Resources. I called a couple of the numbers I found and was finally told they, Vulcan Petroleum Co. had no dealings with Nigeria. My gut says Vulcan Capital Management may have a hand in it since it is the same Vulcan that screwed up in Sokoto but on it's wiki claims that it did the work. However, I have no proof since Vulcan Petroleum Resources is listed nowhere, and everytime I have called the number I found for Vulcan Capital Management, the voice on the answering machine says to leave a message for Amwell. I googled the office location and it is on East 52nd in NY, but only thing left is to get someone to visit and confirm if that one is real or not. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Nobody: 12:13pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
debosky: @ Kobo The link between Vulcan Energy LLC and Vulcan Petroleum Resource is Jim Mansfield (current VP of the later company) He appears on a list of military hardware suppliers here and also a different spreadsheet I found yesterday VULCAN ENERGY SOLUTIONS LLC, 702-228-5990, 619-335-6925, 212-980-9510, FGRAHAM@VULCANCAPITAL.COM, TECHSOLMANSFIELD@YAHOO.COM The Minister of Trade and Investment, Olusegun Aganga, signed the contracts on behalf of the Federal Government, while Vice-President/Director, Vulcan Petroleum Resources Limited, Jim Mansfield and the Chairman, Petroleum Refining and Strategic Reserve Limited, Chief Edozie Njoku, signed on behalf of their companies respectively. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Gbawe: 12:14pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
Demdem: Another fraud in the making and yet someone will tell me here that the Retardeen knows what he is doing? My brothers reasonable folks are left with no other conclusion. If we have decided to go the PPP route with our refineries then, if an ambitious Nation now under progressive-minded leadership, why not naturally initiate a transparent and public process to gauge interest considering that every time similar ideas has been mooted in the past, the reaction from many established and reputable operators was "very positive" to put it lightly? What prompted this "shotgun" marriage Aganga has now come up with and the FG has quickly put pen to paper on? Vulcan Capital Management is listed primarily as a "private equity investment firm" with offered products to include leveraged buyout, mergers and acquisition, Venture capital, Growth capital and Mezzanine capital. Aganga (another crook in my opinion) and the FG's real intentions must be called into question with how they settled quickly and highly non-transparently on assets and funds managers, albeit with interest in oil and gas, as preferred partners when an established core Engineering firm with specific interest in building, running and maintaining refineries would be a far better fit. Remember we are talking about the 7th biggest producer of crude in the entire world and not some outpost African nation with a population of 1 million !!!! Vulcan's traditional commitment and scope of operation (look below) saw them, by their own admission, always happy to invest $10-$300 million. How has Vulcan made the jump to dabbling in multi billion dollar schemes? Why the massive difference for them once Nigeria is involved? Is it "jackpot"? Would it have anything to do with planned future scams since this deal involves a very corrupt Nation that shuns transparent and very accomplished companies to deliberately seek out those with chequered histories? Is it not obvious that Aganga, with a background in hedge fund management, may be operating according to a brief of finding a vehicle/partners he understands (same background) and can work with to facilitate the corruption and 419ning of Nigeria that the GEJ Government is now becoming famous for? A Private equity company when the search should be for a core engineering concern? Does anyone seriously think Vulcan will get a look in , let alone be a preferred partner to Nigeria if a public declaration of interest was the only method used to select the best and most capable , on merit, to build refineries for the 7th largest producer of crude in the world? http://www.vulcancapital.com/investments.html Sector Focus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_Capital_Management Controversies |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by ismhab(m): 12:21pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
I don't think so. |
Re: Is Vulcan Energy LLC Really Going To Build Six New Oil Refineries? by Tonitelli: 12:25pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
And so beaf and the 40 laptop bandits e.g dedeike and wesley80 ....retreat to restrategise.....and fight anoda day.....or anoda thread......as the case may be.... |
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