coldwater:

@ Justcool, I was reading a discussion between you and deepsight on a thread. You mentioned about Jesus, Imanuel and Parsifal.

I know Jesus is not Imanuel, is not Parcifal. Is Imanuel, holyspirit the comforter? What about parsifal? Is he the author of ''In the Light of Truth'' the son of man? Please clarify the differences among them for me. Thanks

Hello Friend;

I think justcool and m_nwankwo have tried to explain that issue in detail here -

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-429591.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.32.html#msg6636954

This is also another link where Nwankwo x-rays the subject.

good job, you guys are discussing in here, pray strength from above will be added unto you all, keep striving to keep the hearth of your thoughts pure, by so doing you'll bring peace and be happy

@ m nwankwo, kindly give me a buzz on enitany20022005@yahoo.com i need help in clarification of some things, looking forward to reading your mail.

bladeliger:

hi again

thanks for your reply

i understand most of what you have written and i accept it as being true

i guess im coming from the angle of now ( living in today -2011 the clock has struck 12 so to speak and the time for ripping has pretty much completed in the larger scheme of things) -
i feel so much is going at the moment and see it in day to day life - so many are blind to it - one way or another massive changes are about to happen mankind rushes towards it so fast the pull is strong- it is although im being crushed slowly between them both. they say all that is dead will awaken and i fear that i have left my final decision so long that i have backed my self into a corner. a bad dream maybe and soon ill awake. but time is up - is it not - ye or na salvation or destruction. i see the waves of filth all around me and i feel have still have strength to fight but even if i won life does not change the masses will continue to spread the darkness and until this thing is played out and man really changes as a whole there is always going to be ,

any help here would be good -

@bladeliger

Thanks for being patient with me. I guess I now have enough time to drop a few lines.

Indeed the clock has struck 12 but one must never give up or feel that it is too late for him. The Love of God is ever watchful; as soon as a man genuinely repents and prays for help, the Love of God will afford him all the help that he needs.

Indeed majority of mankind today still sleeps spiritually, but one should not let this situation depress him. You can never tell for sure, who is going to make it and who is not. Many that are alert today may go to sleep tomorrow and many that are sleep today may waken at the last minute.

The individual should employ all his strength and free himself from all forms of darkness, and not worry so much about the situation of the world. You can give your neighbor a lot of help by just working on yourself or striving spiritually, because in so doing you will draw purifying rays from above and pass it on to your environment. You need not even say a word to your neighbor or try to change him; just by working on yourself you give your neighbor a lot without knowing it.

Rest assure that in the end justice would prevail; nobody would be lost that didn’t bring it onto himself. Therefore you need not be depressed about the situation of the world.

I hope this helps.

Thanks and remain blessed.

thank you very much for your advice

there are no grail members where i live except my mum but she is very different from me.

its good to here from others

cheers

coldwater:

@ Justcool, I was reading a discussion between you and deepsight on a thread. You mentioned about Jesus, Imanuel and Parsifal.

I know Jesus is not Imanuel, is not Parcifal. Is Imanuel, holyspirit the comforter? What about parsifal? Is he the author of ''In the Light of Truth'' the son of man? Please clarify the differences among them for me. Thanks

@coldwater

Thanks for your questions.

You are right, Jesus is not Imanuel, neither is Jesus Parsifal nor the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the Love of God; He is the son of God. After his mission of redemption He left creation and retuned back to God the father, albeit still remaining personal. He is the inborn son of God.

God created the worlds with His creative Will, Imanuel. Creation cannot exist or come into being in the Divine plane because of the enormous power of God’s nearness; hence God had to place a part of His creative Will (Imanuel) at the outermost point of the Divine plane. This part of Imanuel had to be anchored outside of God, otherwise based on the law of attraction of homogenous species, He will be drawn back to God.

This part of Imanuel stands, analogically speaking, with one foot in the Grail castle at the outermost point of the Divine plane, and the other foot in the Grail Castle at highest part of the Primordial spiritual realms or the summit of creation; thereby forming a bridge between the Divine sphere and creation. One can equally say that a part of Imanuel in the Grail castle at the Divine realm has an anchorage in the Grail castle at the summit of creation. This anchorage or, to speak analogically, this foot of Imanuel in the Primordial spiritual realm is Parsifal. This anchoring of Imanuel outside of God makes Imanuel the out-born son of God. Imanuel is the Holy Spirit; He is the creative Will of God, or the Living Justice of God.

Parsifal can be likened to a gate or a bridge, He is the pure Gate that leads to the Divine, He is the pure bridge that leads from the Primordial spiritual plane to the Divine plane. He is the first to come into being in creation; his core, having come from Imanuel received a cloak of Primordial spiritual body from the Primordial Queen Elizabeth. Hence He can also be likened to the Primordial Spiritual cloak or vessel of Imanuel; or the anchorage of Imanuel. The Light of God that flows from Imanuel, enters creation through Parsifal.

Parsifal is linked to Imanuel by an unbreakable cord of radiations. They(Imanuel and Parsifal) are two, yet they are one in their working. Creation took on form in the radiation of Parsifal, or the radiation of Imanuel passing through Parsifal. This radiation is the creative source of Life and power which issues from God Himself, or which Imanuel recieves from God.

Imanuel is the son of God through which God created man; the son in whose radiation mankind and creation developed.  Hence the name “Son of Man.” He is the comforter.

When mankind failed and was heading towards destruction, out of Love God sent His Love Jesus to redeem mankind. Like I said earlier, after His mission Jesus returned back to God, as the inborn son of God. He is the son that remains with God; hence “the son of God.”

About Abd-ru-shin the author of the Grail message. It is my belief that Abd-ru-shin does not wish any unnecessary attention to be drawn to His personality. He was opposed to all forms of personality cult. A thorough experiencing of the Grail message would afford one the knowledge of the personality of Abd-ru-shin.

And besides drawing unnecessary attention to the bringer of the message, rather than the message would interfere with people’s objectivity in examining the message.

Please read what m_nwankwo wrote in the links that deepsight provided. And also read this https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-173782.0.html#msg2830536

After carefully reading those links, if you still have questions, feel free to raise them.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Deep Sight:

Hello Friend;

I think justcool and m_nwankwo have tried to explain that issue in detail here -

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-429591.0.html

Deep Sight:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.32.html#msg6636954

This is also another link where Nwankwo x-rays the subject.

@ Deepsight,


Thanks for providing coldwater with those links.

enitan2002:

@ m nwankwo, kindly give me a buzz on enitany20022005@yahoo.com i need help in clarification of some things, looking forward to reading your mail.

Hi enitan,

I have sent you a mail. Stay blessed.

Hello! I am new to this site. I found it yesterday. Last night I read the July, 2008 comments, and decided that I would like to be part of this forum. Has anyone commented since April, 2011? Linda

None of what has been said both here now and anywhere else The Grail Message has been castigated, will have been if not for  the existence of the Grail Movement which was formed out of the freewill of adherents of the Grail Message. I believe that  The bringer of The Grail Message  never intended the formation of such a group as it would have amounted purely to a new church contrary to HIS intentions. HE gave his blessings as it was the free will of the adherents. That to me was the all time proof that once again man had misunderstood high tidings. Hence we have all this time to bandy puny words. I only wish Mr Rotimi look more inwards.  "Remove the beam in your eyes before looking for the speck in your neighbour's" Christ once said. More than anything else, read The Grail Message if you desire but please leave it alone if you do not wish to and save us all the possibility of unimaginable commitments as regards our maybe unguarded utterances.

Justcool and M_nwankwo, I just want to say how pleased am with what you are doing. I am a firm believer in the grail message and it's good to see you answer questions and enlightening people on such an important topic. KEEP IT UP!

Redgold:

Justcool and M_nwankwo, I just want to say how pleased am with what you are doing. I am a firm believer in the grail message and it's good to see you answer questions and enlightening people on such an important topic. KEEP IT UP!

@Redgold.
Hello friend! Welcome to Nairaland!

still confused. dont really know what to think right now.

pettiandra, my advice would be to read the book, and judge for yourself

[b]If you speak to people within this movement in the UK they will tell that there is a fact that reader may realize at some point. They believe he is/was the holy ghost (the will of God). I have read all 3 volumes twice and came to another realization. The lectures tell you that all inventions made by man are created by elemental beings in higher realms by beings who act in strict accordance with laws of God and they filter down through the realms to man. Hmmm!! Now some of you may have noticed the statement about smokers who pollute God's air. Does the combustion engine also do the same Yes of course it does!! Was it an invention?? I think so!! So what were these elemental beings doing inventing combustion engines that pollute God's air if they can only act in the strict accordance of God's laws (they have no free will according to author).
This to me is a massive hole in the claim of Abd-Ru-Shin being The Son of Man and utterly discredited the claims made by the movement. After posing this question to a gold cross bearer I was given the answer "the combustion engine was more of a discovery". Absolutely laughable in my opinion!!!
Can someone please enlighten me if I'm making an oversight here!

dj502: If you speak to people within this movement in the UK they will tell that there is a fact that reader may realize at some point. They believe he is/was the holy ghost (the will of God). I have read all 3 volumes twice and came to another realization. The lectures tell you that all inventions made by man are created by elemental beings in higher realms by beings who act in strict accordance with laws of God and they filter down through the realms to man. Hmmm!! Now some of you may have noticed the statement about smokers who pollute God's air. Does the combustion engine also do the same Yes of course it does!! Was it an invention?? I think so!! So what were these elemental beings doing inventing combustion engines that pollute God's air if they can only act in the strict accordance of God's laws (they have no free will according to author).
This to me is a massive hole in the claim of Abd-Ru-Shin being The Son of Man and utterly discredited the claims made by the movement. After posing this question to a gold cross bearer I was given the answer "the combustion engine was more of a discovery". Absolutely laughable in my opinion!!!
Can someone please enlighten me if I'm making an oversight here!

@dj502
I challenge you to show me where the Grail Message said that "all inventions made by man are created by elemental beings in higher realms by beings who act in strict accordance with laws of God." Please provide me quotes from the Grail Message, not from any gold crossbearer. If you cannot do so then you are intentionally misleading people, which is very inexcusable.

To readers of this thread, the claim made above is not true. The Grail Message never said such a thing.

for those who do not know, thw grail message contains an explanation of the interelationship, interdependence as well as the cause and effects of the physical and spiritual aspect of the world. It gives insight to how the physical world is influenced by the spiritual world. Though not totally a fact, but hardly do we find facts in issues of spirituality, but the book is of value to anybody who wishes to enlighten himself more about spirituality. The grail messengers are not religioners. Just like the rosicrucians, they are just a conduit to whoever wishes to attain spiritual development irrespective of religion.

justcool:

@dj502
I challenge you to show me where the Grail Message said that "all inventions made by man are created by elemental beings in higher realms by beings who act in strict accordance with laws of God." Please provide me quotes from the Grail Message, not from any gold crossbearer. If you cannot do so then you are intentionally misleading people, which is very inexcusable.

To readers of this thread, the claim made above is not true. The Grail Message never said such a thing.

The grail message never said such, but what the grail message said was that the elemental beings are involved in any physical change process. E.g. If u throw a stone, it is these elemental beings that make sure the stone goes as far as the energy exerted. These elemental beings resides in what science calls 'force'. For more info, try read the volume two with the chapter 'in the gross material workshop of the elementals'. Then u understand better.

RedHotChic:
What light have you seen from their message? Grail message is not a christian body and share nothing on the body of christ. They even deny the immaculate conception and the deity of Christ, abi?.

[size=16pt]The Grail message claims that virgin mary got laid in the garden by an unknown angel to father Jesus contrary to what the bible teaches.[/size]

So how did jesus got inside her womb? God planted it there. How? By miracle? U christians are so so dumb.....una no dey even use una head to find an explanation to all ur vomit. If mary did not had intercourse with a human being, then it automatically means she had spiritual intercourse with a spiritual being which can as well be an angel, q.e.d.!

How can i become a member because i have read the book from 1 to 3 but i dont know any member can introduce me please let somebody help me out i m much interested, plz reach my phone number, 07037941711 or email; noc9005@yahoo.com, i will forward for your responds

@ justcool: You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink.
Keep your energy for those who want to know more about the Grail Message. I laud your good grasp of its principles.
There is a french saying that "None could be more deaf than He who does not want to hear". People nowadays have no scruples in attacking anything they do not yet understand. A few will be objective and state what their misgivings are. Most others will simply repeat what they heard from someone else without first making sure the person is telling thr truth. Alternatively they twist the truth, or worse, tell blatant lies.
It is always shocking and a little sad to experience how it is especially those who assert their steadfast religiousness who will utter statements full of violence, baseness and other filth. If people were really living according to the teachings in their religions, so much would be already better on Earth.

I just don't known what to say about all these. If you go through life by way of ready-made opinion of others, you are as if going through life with crutches ignoring your our healthy lips. Read THE GRAIL MESSAGE to find out for yourself or leave it alone.

Am really glad i stumbled on dis forum about grailland... My fiance is a cross bearer and one thing am not happy with is the fact that whenever i invite him to church he says his NO firmly... So am asking dis question , if really u guys are known to be seekers of the truth why do u pple av a problem in seeking d truth in a church... I don't mind going to a mosque , Jehovah's witness assembly or grailland to learn as far as i keep my believe in God and God alone... If u pple don't av a problem with telling pple to read the grail message then peepz asking u to read d bible or come to church shouldn't be a problem... And again i'll like to go to their temple at IJU or go for their teaching to know for myself if it's a cult group (which i don't believe is by the way) or if they really teach d truth... but i don't know ow to go about it to become a seeker... i cant ask my fiance for some reasons so pls i await ur response

And my i add by saying... Criticizing something you know nothing about all because of what you've heard is really childish... We are in a world where freedom is so for everyone... so if u don't believe in d GRAIL MESSAGE then go ahead unto other things u believe in and let others dat believes in it breath rather that say stupid things... If u say u can never read d GRAIL MESSAGE and yet u keep Criticizing the message because of wat you av heard about it , then dat action clearly states how stupid you are (pls mind my manners) I believe so much in God, Jesus, the Holy spirit and d Bible not because am a christian but because i know the entire existence of man and the earth ain't possible if there isn't a God somewhere... There are something which aren't entirely clear in the Bible to us as christian and if it takes reading the Grail Message or the Quran to know it, why not? Knowledge they say is Power.. so be wise. kisses

rotimy: The Grail Movement is an organization which originated in Germany in the late 1940s, inspired by the work of Oskar Ernst Bernhardt (also known by his pen name Abdruschin or Abd-ru-shin), principally In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message. Abd-ru-shin did not found the organization; the movement as it exists today was formally organized by followers.

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The Grail Movement has been described both as a new religious movement and as a cult

source-WIKIPEDIA, the grail movement

You are a foool to be misleading pple i search wikipedia i never saw where grail movement was describe as a cult even wikipedia articles are written by fallible humans who dont hav all d facts,some explanation is just d opinion of d poser & subjected to review if more facts is discovered b4 yu use wikipedia read d preface first It not a gospel & dnt just be just be quoing books by authors b/c d authors might has bias mind,prejudice when written his book for example if am a muslim author i will not write a book about christain religion without been bias,or a deeper life wrote a book about catholic without beenprejudicial.

beedaymeee: Am really glad i stumbled on dis forum about grailland... My fiance is a cross bearer and one thing am not happy with is the fact that whenever i invite him to church he says his NO firmly... So am asking dis question , if really u guys are known to be seekers of the truth why do u pple av a problem in seeking d truth in a church... I don't mind going to a mosque , Jehovah's witness assembly or grailland to learn as far as i keep my believe in God and God alone... If u pple don't av a problem with telling pple to read the grail message then peepz asking u to read d bible or come to church shouldn't be a problem... And again i'll like to go to their temple at IJU or go for their teaching to know for myself if it's a cult group (which i don't believe is by the way) or if they really teach d truth... but i don't know ow to go about it to become a seeker... i cant ask my fiance for some reasons so pls i await ur response

@Bidemi. I`m glad that you are glad to find this and gladly, I wish to inform you that one who has found the Grail Message and discovered it`s value knows that he has found that which he seeks. If he needs to understand anything further about life and human existence, he will find guidance In the Light of Truth. If he follows you to Church, even you know that he will only be doing so to please you. If he wishes to know more about the history and life of the Jews, he can read the bible in his room. All he can learn from the pastor is the church culture which he doesnt really need. As far as knowledge of life and existence is concerned, it is the pastor who has to listen to your fiancee in other to learn. Even you know this in your heart of hearts. If your fiancée has a Christian background like I do, then you also know that he understands the bible better than your pastor so why do you need to take him through the trouble of listening to your pastor just to please you? and of course you know your pastors attitude to a person like your fiancee. why do you need to expose the gentleman to uneccessary embarrassment from another man who without knowing any better will take a stance of God-sent authority over your fiancee who then will have to try to be polite.......to be a seeker is not an aspiration. A seeker is a person who seeks something. In this case, the individual seeks knowledge of life and existence. If you seek you are a seeker, it is not a matter of aspiring to be or asking how to be a seeker. If you are not satisfied with your church teachings on life and existence and you seek to know more, the Grail Message is a book that offers you knowledge on life and existence, answering all questions on this subject. Your fiancee reads it, you can read it too. It is available in bookshops, libraries even on the internet as well as in your fiancees room. That "you can`t ask your fiancee" sounds strange so strange that I didnt want to send in a reply, but it seems you really are in earnest. Let me conclude that I think you should please ask him. He is in the best position to advise and to guide you but if you inwardly wish to keep your quest away from him, all good just go on and read the book, you will thereby merely be postponing the day when your fiancee will be glad to find out that you are so interested in the most important work he knows.

Dear All,
From the various posts and exchanges, one can observe that many of us are Readers of the Grail Message if not already Crossbearers.
I wonder if some of you reside in Dublin, Republic of Ireland. Would be happy to know if there are such among N/L bloggers. It would be good to start a Readers' Forum in Dublin asap. The whole Earth and all that is in it belong to the Almighty!
Best wishes

@dj502 to throw more light on your qusetion about inventions. Yes now, the inventions of man such as cars are destroying our atmospherE but not to forget, there is always supposed to be a balance in nature, this pollution from cars are also gotten from animal waste. Now we have trees and vegetations all around the world, trees are meant to transform these pollutions in the air and give us fresh air, but what have we humans done, do you know 80% of the natural forests in the world have been destroyed? This is our doing, so there is not enough for the purification of our air, hence the pollution. There is always a balance in nature, but when we humans distort the balance, then we create problems for ourselves. I hope I've helped.

Befor u critisize examine the work in the LIGHt OF TRUTH then you will know wot to argue about

Please am happy to see pple of like minds here why not we use to uplift one anoda for i no that grail message is a gift to mankind from out of the LIGHT leave de doubthers NOT all mankind. Believed the son of GOD wen he worked among men you forgot that the are still the same pple that are still here so shall de also not believe de son of MAN its written IRON shapenth IRON and DEEP calleth to the DEEP.


“I wish to fill in the gaps which have so far always remained unanswered in the souls of men as burning questions, and which never leave any serious thinker in peace, if he honestly seeks the Truth.”
– Abd-ru-shin

What ever a human spirit soweth on gross matter be it on WORD,DEED and in his action be it GOOD or EVIL shall come back to the sower