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Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Steep: 9:49pm On Jan 16, 2022 |
PastorAIO:Why don't you quote from Ezekiel chapter 20 vv1? Why are you afraid? Be bold like a man. Like I said Jesus sacrifice is a judicial one. The judgment was against us because of our sins but Jesus took the punishment for our sins, and also Jesus sacrifice prove the depth of God's love for us. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Steep: 9:52pm On Jan 16, 2022 |
PastorAIO:Israel is God's firstborn son God killed every firstborn of the egyptians because of the way they treated his own firstborn, and because Israel is God's firstborn they are to dedicate their firstborn son to serve God as a symbol that Israel God's firstborn is to serve God. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 10:07pm On Jan 16, 2022 |
Steep: why don't you do the honours and quote whatever you think is relevant for us to peruse? After all you have been quoting passages at me since I've started interacting with you. I don't know the difference you are making between judicial and ritual nor why you consider them mutually exclusive. Perhaps you can explain further. But the bottom line is that Jesus was a sacrifice, not just a sacrifice but a sacrifice modelled on the ritual slaughter of lambs and cattle. After all why do you call him a sacrificial lamb. But he wasn't a lamb though, was he? He was a human sacrifice. 1 Like |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 10:11pm On Jan 16, 2022 |
Steep: Oh? And not because all first borns belong to yhwh and anything that openeth the womb must be burnt as an offering to him? So then, pray tell, why did the hebrews offer the first crops and the first animals of their flock? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 10:14pm On Jan 16, 2022 |
Broveens42: It is done with love, sir. I just wanna get this message out. I can't force him to accept but the more he interacts the more opportunity I have to explicate. 1 Like |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 10:23pm On Jan 16, 2022 |
While we are perusing the facts of human sacrifices to yhwh if you need a distraction how about reflecting on these 2 passages: 1chronicles 21:1 Samuel 24:1 1 Chronicles 21 1Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the army, “Go, number Israel, from Beersheba to Dan, and bring me a report, that I may know their number.” 2 Samuel 24 1Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.” |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Steep: 5:58am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:All firstborns belong to God, of course. Where does it day all that openeth the womb is for burnt offering? The offered the first crops and animals because they meant meant the specification for sacrifice. Don't dodge that question? Answer it, where was it stated that all that openeth the womb is for burnt offering? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Steep: 6:31am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO: Ezekiel 20:5 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God; 20:7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. 20:8 But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt. 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; Those laws that were nor good were not yahweh's laws for the rejected yahweh's laws therefor he gave them laws that were not good. In the bible especially the old testament anything that happens is always regarded from God whether good or evil, that is because God is the final authority. The authority for anything to happen is from yahweh. The reason yahweh allows Israel to fall into such evil laws is because they rejected the good laws that belong to yahweh. maybe you should also say we eat human flesh and drink human blood because Jesus said except you eat my flesh or drink my blood you cannot have eternal life. John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. Jesus was a sacrifice, not regarded as a ritual sacrifice. Ritual sacrifice is a religious sacrifice done to please a spirit or deity. Judicial sacrifice is a voluntary action taken by a person to take the punishment of another. Jesus was not offered by any human being as a sacrifice to God instead he was killed by unjustly as a criminal because they thought Jesus was a threat to national peace. For example a political activist who die in prison can be regarded as a sacrifice for freedom it does not mean it was a ritual sacrifice. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Steep: 6:33am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:Both of you are in Delusion! |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 6:35am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Steep: exodus 34 The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Nobody: 6:41am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO: Na so una dey quote Bible/Quran like say na better thing......las las, you no fit enjoy yourself for this life pass person wey no dey do am ...unless you just decide to dey whine yourself..## |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Steep: 6:48am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:So where does belong to me translate to use them for burnt offering? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Broveens42(m): 10:24am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Steep: |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Broveens42(m): 10:35am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Steep: But when this passage favors you, you will try to twist it as burnt offering. So I get your argument but it's illogical to insinuate it isn't talking about burnt offering. When the statement says only; "your first offspring of every womb belong to me"... You can make an assumption of dedication to service for first borns, since they were created in image and likeness of God. But what of the other clause that completes the sentence? "Livestock" Livestock can't belong to God in the context of dedication to service, they are not image and likeness of god according to your good book. So the clauses being put in a sentence can only mean burnt offering. It's a complete sentence and not two sentences. Clause1. Are there evidences where god in good book instructed a man to sacrifice his son ? Yes Clause 2: are there evidences where god instructed livestock to worship him in the temple or render some kind of services? No Clause 1 plus clause 2 only means burnt offering. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Broveens42(m): 10:59am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO: quite intriguing |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Kobojunkie: 11:14am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:So, Satan works for God, right? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:15am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Steep: oh, I see. It doesn't say that first fruits are to be burnt. My bad. Burnt offering is not the only kind of sacrifice, |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:15am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: are you asking me, or are you telling me? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Kobojunkie: 11:16am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:Wasn't the question mark visible ? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:20am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: question mark or no question mark that post is incongruent. I simply post 2 bible passages vis a vis and suggested it was worth investigating. Especially considering that these thread is about contradictions., What got triggered in you that made you ask that question? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Kobojunkie: 11:22am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:Again, the question ....So, Satan works for God, right? This is simply meant to know your understanding as far as the stories of Satan found in the book. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:29am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Broveens42: Even if you concede that the sacrifices were not holocausts, you're right when you consider the modus operandi. Yhwh instructed Abram to kill his first born son. Abram did not even flinch. He didn't say 'haba, why na?'. Obviously it was a request that was normative. And indeed everywhere we look in Canaanite culture such an act was very normal. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:35am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Why are you interested in my understanding? This is not a competition of 'who sabi pass'. If you have some pearls of wisdom that you think I could benefit from regarding the stories of satan found in the book please be generous, share them. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:37am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: When I see this emoji at the end of all your posts after a while I'm starting to wonder if that is that actual shape of your mouth in real life. lol. I pray that isn't so... |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Kobojunkie: 11:37am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO: You posted two verses claiming them contradictions and all I have done was ask a simple question in order to learn your understanding as far the Satan character mentioned in one of those verses is all. It doesn't matter what you believe as your understanding is what matters to this here discuss. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Kobojunkie: 11:38am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:What does it matter if it is? |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by Dtruthspeaker: 11:39am On Jan 17, 2022 |
kingxsamz: My doormat idiot, there is no opportunity here to insult me for before your foolishness and disgrace is legendarily established forever. So return to your rat hole. Idiot. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:44am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Steep: I did not ask about the reasons or the motivation that caused yhwh to give such horrendous laws to his supposed people. A thief is a thief is a thief. Of course different thieves have different reasons for stealing. Some are hungry. Some are greedy. Some just have psychological problem aka kleptomania. etc etc etc At the end of the day, regardless of the motivation, tiff na tiff. Yhwh gave the Israelites commands to sacrifice their first born sons. This is a fact, an undisputed fact. If you later want to go into the reasons why and try to rationalise the evil and dastardly act that is a different matter. But at least I'm glad that you have come to admit that such a command was given by Yhwh. Well done. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by DeepSight(m): 11:45am On Jan 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO: I know several people whose lips are stranded in that peculiar position in real life though. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:46am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: In the broad scale of things it doesn't really matter, but on a personal microcosm scale I think it would be quite unfortunate. Anyway, it's just a picture that comes into my mind whenever I read your posts. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:49am On Jan 17, 2022 |
DeepSight: Dis guy. you don come again o. 'stranded'?!! What?, The lips went on excursion and couldn't afford the bus fare back to their base. |
Re: Errors And Biblical Contradictions In The Bible by PastorAIO: 11:51am On Jan 17, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: I'll be happy to expound on my understanding of those passages but not now. It's a whole big kettle of fish and I have to be in the right mood and frame of mind to tackle it. |
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