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Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 9:46pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Tifunloran:1 - 3. You seek answers and those answers are clearly indicated in even those passages but the reason you can't seem to see them is probably that you have not done what God commands which is that you use the understanding you have in order to gain more understanding. Remember that the other side of this is that if you don't use the understanding you have, even the little understanding you had will be taken away from you. And when God keeps taking away from one, one is bound to remain blind for as long as one continues to refuse to do as God commands. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 9:47pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Yes, obedience to the word of God. Sure. After all, you can not be disobeying God's word and be claiming to belong. This is because last last, that person will receive a resounding: Depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I know you not. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 9:49pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:If you have no understanding of His Truth for yourself - if you are blind where His Gospel and Law is concerned, of what use are the lies you, in turn, preach to others to those you teach it to and the Kingdom of God as a whole? you become nothing but another false teacher and false prophet masquerading in the name of God when you go out to preach to others this while you refuse to obey God's other commandments to you. Jesus Christ clearly said that we are to obey even the least of the law because refusal amounts to a transgression of the entire Law. So how can a transgressor of God's Law "win" any soul to God by preaching what are lies? |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 9:50pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:And one cannot be in violation of God's Law yet claiming to preach the same Law to others... There is a curse that near guarantees damnation on anyone who does that. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 10:14pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Revelation 2:10 and James 1:12 1. Crown of Life It is bestowed upon "those who persevere under trials." Jesus references this crown when he tells the Church in Smyrna to "not be afraid of what you are about to suffer... Be faithful even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life." 1 Corinthians 9:25 2. The Incorruptible Crown This epistle of 1 Corinthians, written by Paul of Tarsus, deems this crown "imperishable" in order "to contrast it with the temporal awards Paul's contemporaries pursued". It is therefore given to those individuals who demonstrate "self-denial and perseverance" 2 Timothy 4:8 3. Crown of Righteousness Is promised to "those who love and anticipate" the Second Coming of Christ. 1 Peter 5:4 4. Crown of Glory Will be given to believers, who "shepherd the flock in unselfish love being a good example to others" 1 Thessalonians 2:19 and Philippians 4:1 5. Crown of Rejoicing Is given to people who engage in evangelism of those outside the Christian Church. In the New Testament, Paul earns this crown after winning the Thessalonians to faith in Jesus. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 10:20pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:Don't you think it is suspicious how none of those verses is taken directly from the Gospels where Jesus Christ in fact teaches and makes His direct promises to His followers? You mention these crowns.... for example, the one you call the crown of life, but according to Jesus Christ, you already obtain Eternal life the moment you enter into the Kingdom of God and this applies to everyone in the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 16 - including those who will end up in Hell(Eternal life spent in damnation) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 10:28pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: I have given you scriptural evidence of the truth. And yet you did not believe. Please how can you live in obedience when you live in doubt and disbelief of the scriptures? Was Adam not alive after eating the forbidden fruit? Would you now say that he did not die as God told him he would? You can be alive physically but dead spiritually. But when you are connected to God, you are alive in Him. You are alive physically and spiritually. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 10:31pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Of course if you are not living in obedience to God's word and you are preaching it to others, you are a hypocrite. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 10:38pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Have you not heard that God hates sin. Yet he loves sinners and wants them to come to Him and be changed. Come as you are but don't remain as you were. The publican that would not even raise his head when praying but kept pleading for mercy went home justified than the other that came to God and was claiming righteousness. So dear, pray pray pray, never look down on prayers. Pray always. Humble yourself in the presence of God. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 11:15pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:1. You have done no such thing since Jesus Christ is the Truth of God and all you have done is try to get around Him by posting references that are not directly given by Him to all His followers. 2. I am afraid you are wrong. Adam did die as God decreed that He would since from the moment God pronounced the sentence, Adam began to die. Adam wasn't dying before that sentence was pronounced on him by God, but death began for Him as soon as God condemned Him. That is what God said after all... from dust you were made and to dust you will return. The process was concluded for Adam almost 1000 years later. Now, for the rest of us, however, the process starts from the moment we are conceived and ends less than 1000 years later. 3. That is untrue! Adam was created a physical being from the clay of this earth hence the reason why it was to dust that God condemned Him to be returned to and not to the spirit. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 11:16pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:Not only that, if you don't know the Truth, how can you preach the Truth that you don't know to others? Instead, what you preach are lies that enslave those people you preach to. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 11:20pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:1. Be specific. Where in scripture did Jesus Christ tell you God loves sinners? 2. God loves those who obey Him, not those who continue in their sins. That publican repented from his wickedness and started there to follow instead God's way, that is why he was able to go home justified - Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20.. He was of God's Old Covenant and hence was justified according to God's Old Law as detailed in Ezekiel 33 there. 3.Again, God does not justify you by your prayer. You are instead justified by your obedience of His teachings and commandments. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 2:54am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Tifunloran:1. You need to pay close attention to scripture. Heaven was not an option as far as the Old Covenant Law of Moses. Instead, what promised, and this to the people of Israel alone - those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - is forever in the Land of Canaan, the Land God promised to the descendants of Israel. So what the psalmist speaks of there in Psalm 37 vs 29 is of those who are promised eternal life in the land of Israel by God, and these are the children of Israel. 15 “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.You, as a gentile, have no share in the promise that God gave only to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 2. When Jesus Christ spoke of His followers inheriting the land that was promised, He spoke of those of them who were of Jewish descent as well. They are those who not only inherit the Land of Canaan, but also the Kingdom of God as a result of believing in Jesus Christ as well. 3. To better understand what is written in Revelations 21 vs 1 - 4 about God wiping away the tears of the people, I invite you to read what God said in Isaiah 65 vs 17 - 25, and this, again, in regards to His People, Israel. 17 “I am creating a new heaven and a new earth. The troubles of the past will be forgotten. No one will remember them.God's people, His chosen people, and Jerusalems people, and their sons and daughters, refers to those who are children of Israel, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 8:26am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Who is telling you that you are justified by prayers? Am only stressing the need for you to pray for proper understanding of the scriptures to avoid misinterpretation. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 8:29am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Are you insinuating that the old testament is all lies? |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 8:31am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: The crown of life is found in the book of revelation 2:10 Are you insinuating that the book of revelation is all lies? |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 8:33am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Concerning Adam, please leave it for another day or time after you have done the simple task of praying for better understanding. Thank you. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 3:00pm On Aug 15, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:Your case is as described by Isaiah and then by Jesus Christ in Matthew 13. 10 The followers came to Jesus and asked, “Why do you use these stories to teach the people?”Jesus Christ spoke of a kind of blindness where people think they see but really they are blind. He said it is not until they realize they are blind that their eyes will finally be opened to seeing that which has been before them from even their beginning - John 9 vs 35 - 41. Jesus Christ literally handed you the key to the door to understanding over 2000 years ago. Yet, here you are, over 2000 years later, refusing to use the key He provided to even you, all so you can hold on to your delusion that it is instead by way of prayer you can obtain an understanding of that which you confess and reveal even here that you still struggle to have a clear understanding of. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 3:07pm On Aug 15, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:You tell me, did Jesus Christ lie in John 3 vs 1 - 21 when He declared that all those who believe in Him and are born again will get eternal life? Did He lie when He spoke of Hell being a place of eternal damnation - where those with eternal life get to spend eternity in damnation - in Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46? |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 3:08pm On Aug 15, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:Is the story in Genesis that I referenced not found in what is the Old Testament? |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by MaryAye(f): 3:09pm On Aug 15, 2022 |
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Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 3:10pm On Aug 15, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:What you continue to stress is not what Jesus Christ informed you of how to get the understanding of the Kingdom of God which you pretend you seek, though, so what is your point? |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by QueenEsther1: 7:48pm On Aug 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: Am sincerely sorry brother in anyway I have offended you in the course of this discourse. My intention is genuine. May the peace of God be with us all. Amen. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 7:50pm On Aug 15, 2022 |
QueenEsther1:You don't owe me an apology as all I am intending to do here is to help you realize how very different from Jesus Christ what you believe and practice really is. God's standard, Jesus Christ, is an eternal standard and will never bend for anyone, no matter how much they pray. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Tifunloran: 2:45pm On Aug 16, 2022 |
Kobojunkiee: It's interesting how you interwoven those scriptures to suit your belief I greet you for that, but it will interest you to know that The Bible stately put not all righteous ones are going to heaven Uncountable servants of God will enjoy their blessings here on earth, if not why did God promised new earth and new heaven Why did he want to resurrect our dead loved ones Why did Jesus instruct for God's kingdom to come here on earth if truly all faithful servant of his will enjoy life here on earth. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkie: 3:00pm On Aug 16, 2022 |
Tifunloran:I didn't need to do any weaving as they all speak for themselves. The ones who God promised The Land to were the children of Israel, the same ones referenced both in the message of the prophets, in the teachings of Jesus Christ and also in the book of Revelations. 2. Ofcourse not all the righteous are meant for Heaven. Heaven(Hell as well) was not promised the righteous of God's Old Covenant Law of Moses. Instead Heaven .I.e. the Kingdom of God is only promised to those who believe in Jesus Christ - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 . 2. As Isaiah explained, the land of Jerusalem belongs to those who are of God's people. Those who are called to the Kingdom of God are not called God's people but instead Sons of God, a huge difference. 3. Who told you your dead loved ones will be resurrected by Jesus Christ? Where did you get that lie from? 4. The Kingdom of God arrived on earth over 2000 years ago when Jesus Christ died and was raised from the dead. Its gates then thrown open to even the Gentiles as a result. Jesus Christ informed you of this over 2000 years ago when He told you that the Kingdom is within and all around of those who belong to it. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Tifunloran: 6:43pm On Aug 16, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: No 1: You mean the account of Revelation quoted earlier are for Israelite? No 2: If Isaiah was referencing to people of God in Jerusalem don't you think that will have a grander scale fulfillment under God's kingdom? No 3: Read John 5:28,29 No 4: There is a lot you need to know about God's kingdom But I'll cease to quote you again so as to avoid arguement. I personally choose to Welldone for your effort on understanding deep Bible truth, but there is still more to know as a bible student |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkie: 6:53pm On Aug 16, 2022 |
Tifunloran:1. The account correlates with that stated in Isaiah 65 vs 17 - 25, does it not? 2. The Covenant God made with those who are called Children of Israel is a separate Covenant from that which God made with those who are called Sons of God. According to Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, the Covenant with Israel promises to the people of Israel, forever in the Land of Canaan, whereas God's promise to His followers through Jesus Christ is the Kingdom of God, a kingdom not of this world. So, even when you consider a grander fulfilment, there are still here two different Covenants for two different peoples and promises of two different kingdoms. 3. John 5 vs 28 - 29 speaks of resurrection but not of the resurrection of those you refer to as your loved ones. 4. Like? |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Tifunloran: 7:05pm On Aug 16, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Talking of resurrection if my dead loved ones are righteous will they not enjoy from it Why did Act 24:15 states the same The idea of ressurection in the Bible clearly shows that not all good people are going to heaven. You may want to research more that though. Thanks for your time I appreciate it |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkiee: 7:34pm On Aug 16, 2022 |
Tifunloran:1. We don't get to decide who will be resurrected though. God does this according to His standards. According to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, eternal life is given only to the righteous - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - meaning that only the righteous will be resurrected to long life in the land of Israel since resurrection is promised only to those who have life(eternal). However, in God's New Covenant, Jesus Christ, since all those who are born-again are granted eternal life by Jesus Christ, regardless of whether they are Wheat or Tares in the Kingdom of God, all of them, both good and evil will be resurrected - John 5 vs 28 - 29 - and then judged - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - by Jesus Christ who promises Heaven to those who are judged righteous in the end and Hell(Eternal damnation). 2. I believe Acts 24 vs 15 speaks of those who are of God's New Covenant, Jesus Christ, and not God's Old Covenant Law of Moses. 3. Well, as God stipulated in His Covenants, the Jewish Covenant promises the land of Canaan to the Jews whereas Jesus Christ promises Heaven(or Hell) to His followers. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by baba4thegehs: 7:55pm On Aug 31, 2022 |
Thank you for this reminder. It is exciting to know Jesus. |
Re: HEAVEN: A Prepared Place For Prepared People. by Kobojunkie: 7:57pm On Aug 31, 2022 |
baba4thegehs:Which Jesus? The Jesus of your pastors and mogs? Or the Jesus Christ that is instead King and Law in the Kingdom of God? |
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