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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Gokoyer0(m): 3:06pm On Jul 25, 2023

Yes, it happened in Ibadan. Youkay worst!
My friend that studied in UK and later moved to Canada about 10 yrs ago is returning to Nigeria. To cut the story short, he is complaining about increase in interest rate on everything.

Let's hope Nigeria get a little better under Tinubu and we will see how people will be returning massively.

Many Nigerians doing care jobs in UK are earning 9.50pounds. how can person survive with the UK bills under that situation? How many hrs of work has to be done per day to survive when rent is 800pounds/month. Why are they all flooding SM to make video? It's all about side hustle grin

I pity those that sell thier houses in gbanjo to move to UK. let's forget shiny faces, it's not easy anywhere. Japa is good for strugglers though and no one should sell off their properties when they are close to 40 or above

tosinhtml:

Lmaooo, this is very funny. Did this really happen to your neighbors or you’re just joking around.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Middleborn: 3:08pm On Jul 25, 2023

Derring:

What if he gets layoff by the company before even one year?
Remote jobs ain’t guaranteed!

I work two remote jobs currently. i've been working with one of them since 2020. Many people have been laid off during this time but i've been super reliable. So it is possible for him to keep this job for the next 3 years. The point is showing them why you are so much valuable to them. Biuld friendship and good relations etc.

He can also keep tabs on other similar companies as a plan B if he is laid off.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by fiyi: 3:11pm On Jul 25, 2023

Well...you are lucky to have a remote job paying $3000. But like someone said, if you lose it what are the chances of getting another one asap. However, if you are in the abroad, you don't need to lose the job before getting another one with higher pay. While at it, by just sending out your CV, you will get more than 10 organisations inviting you for interview, some may offer you job immediately.

Again, without no immediate family as in a wife ,child or children $3000 is alot of money . Since its remote or hybrid job, your net expenses should be less than $500 meaning you should be able to save a minimum of $25000 annually. With good investment decisions in stocks, MM etc you should be able to achieve a minimum of 10% ROI. If you compound this over a three year period, you should have saved over $80000. This is a lot of money.

On the japa part, The honest truth is majority of Nigerians are doing better than this, as some are lucky to be earning your 3k USD or more, some are not privilege to earn such. But the difference is that those not earning as you, are earning a minimum wage that is able to make them happy and also they have a good future opportunity to earn as you in a secured safe environment for them as well as their family.

But all in all, the final decision is yours to make. Nigeria is so unpredictable that you never know what will be the economic situation in a short, medium or long term.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Earthquakes: 3:13pm On Jul 25, 2023

michlins:
Earn dollar and spend Naira. Guy nothing sweet pass am. Just find a very good estate and secure your apartment.

Run solar and inverter system for power,get a health insurance scheme from a very good hospital and live your best life here in Nigeria

Until one day you will get kidnapped or untied container fall on your head then everything you mentioned are gone.
Life is beyond just earning money, one day you will need kidney transplant like ekweremmadu what will you do?
I earn such amount when I was in Nigeria and still earn better now that I travelled with other numerous advantages. So stop comparing sleep and death

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by DangoteIvy: 3:21pm On Jul 25, 2023

Phranx1:
Better still i believe you can afford a temporary travel (Vacation) so go Urself & compare Urself

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Derring: 3:22pm On Jul 25, 2023

Middleborn:

I work two remote jobs currently. i've been working with one of them since 2020. Many people have been laid off during this time but i've been super reliable. So it is possible for him to keep this job for the next 3 years. The point is showing them why you are so much valuable to them. Biuld friendship and good relations etc.

He can also keep tabs on other similar companies as a plan B if he is laid off.

Yh I get it, what if he’s company can’t sustain having him or they have reason to lay him off? Lots of considerations here, one might not be lucky like you. Grace differs

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by suspend: 3:23pm On Jul 25, 2023

I work in the japa industry myself and I must tell you, I'm not really convinced enough to go, at least in the short term

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by michlins(m): 3:24pm On Jul 25, 2023

Earthquakes:

Until one day you will get kidnapped or untied container fall on your head then everything you mentioned are gone.
Life is beyond just earning money, one day you will need kidney transplant like ekweremmadu what will you do?
I earn such amount when I was in Nigeria and still earn better now that I travelled with other numerous advantages. So stop comparing sleep and death

you know that you can just be on your own in a mall and someone will open fire and you will become statistics

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by michlins(m): 3:25pm On Jul 25, 2023

isArray:
When the job is no more, how is he going to maintain all these? Cause these things you mentioned cost an arm and a leg

you don't just earn and relax. If he saves two months salary,he can establish a good business that can sustain the lifestyle

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by vannessa7(f): 3:25pm On Jul 25, 2023

You can actually eat your cake and still have it if you follow this my advice.

First off invest in Real Estate here in Nigeria for some time, focus on legit ones not the Omo onile type, get all your property documents done, focus on highbrow or medium areas where your neighbours are civilized and will not have village people mindsets and your property will also have high value. Invest in commercial properties too, you can buy shops in major markets anywhere in Nigeria, for rent, get a good estate manager or lawyer who will help you in managing all these properties even if they are two more, you can use your mum as front if possible in liasing with the lawyers and tenants.

Then plan to Japa by all means reason is because nothing guarantees you will always have that job, life is not predictable, I don't think it should hinder your work since you work remotely, when you get there still save up and continue to invest in properties back home, go for lekki, Abuja, type of properties, your income may not be worth much over there but it will secure your future here in Nigeria, you will build generational wealth and will not rely on your income alone in your new country, you will be collecting rent from Nigeria and still be in a developed country,

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Derring: 3:27pm On Jul 25, 2023

Earthquakes:

Until one day you will get kidnapped or untied container fall on your head then everything you mentioned are gone.
Life is beyond just earning money, one day you will need kidney transplant like ekweremmadu what will you do?
I earn such amount when I was in Nigeria and still earn better now that I travelled with other numerous advantages. So stop comparing sleep and death

Lol, but fact
I know close friends paying ransom of what the earn for a year after kidnapping. Funny thing is people around you will never be happy seeing you doing well in this economy.
Uncertainties is Nigeria 🇳🇬

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by obataokenwa(m): 3:27pm On Jul 25, 2023

sukkot:
are you regretting your move ?

Nothing to regret just that it's better to have invested that money in naija. But at the long run we will get there

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by obataokenwa(m): 3:28pm On Jul 25, 2023

BigDawsNet:

Hnmm.. omo, this one thick oh... Shey uk don cast nii or wots happing exactly because people who left to study over dere few years ago are really doing well...

Anyways thanks for ur advice...

For a student is a no no. But for sponsorship visa, its fine

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Paradigms: 3:28pm On Jul 25, 2023

If you're truthful about your earnings, you shouldn't even contemplate leaving the country else it will end in regret and waste of funds.
I earn in dollars too and I know what it means. It's the same thing you want to go and seek outside there.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by lastkingsman: 3:33pm On Jul 25, 2023

tensazangetsu20:

Immediately I got my first remote job I started planning my movement. I remember the same nonsense talks. I no send. I stayed in my parents house, bought small solar and still maintained myself. Did my research and got what I wanted. I have a lot of friends who are earned more than op but are falling into poverty. They have all been laid off and no jobs again.

Chai, Al-Jagabani for use you do suya grin

Congratulations on escaping grin

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Lotechi(m): 3:35pm On Jul 25, 2023

hazinibones:
Hello Nairalanders,

I have this decision bothering me. I know it is a personal problem, but I believe everyone need some guidance at every point in life.

Straight to it, I have been considering Japa for over two years now and I think the opportunity might be here but I am having a cold feet.

I recently started working for a foreign company as a software engineer and the pay is decent when converted to Naira. Enough to live an averagely comfortable life. But my challenge now is that, I have been talking to some friends that are outside the country and they keep telling me how life is not easy there and cost of living is super expensive out there.

I currently earn $3000, which I plan to either save and travel or startup a business here in Nigeria. Please, Nairalanders with experience, is it worth japa to live an almost average life for almost the rest of your life or investing here in Nigeria and growing wealth?

The healthcare and quality education benefit is there as an advantage for japa though.

Thanks in advance for your responses!

I am not sure the country you are thinking of relocating to, or the relocation pathway. Because your experience in western countries is to a large extent dependent on the immigration pathway taken.
Assuming you are coming to the U.S as a skilled professional or H1-B employee, you need to know that as a software engineer in the U.S, you will make more than $3k per month. If you have an M.Sc from an American university, you should be able to make $100k+ per year in the U.S
Yes, it is more expensive to live in the U.S, but you earn more when you live here, and if you are entrepreneurial, you have access to relatively cheap loans to start and build your business ideas. In addition, the life here is way better and easier compared to Nigeria, and this is because of abundance of basic amenities, quality education, sound healthcare, no significant corruption, and food here is so cheap, among other things.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by isArray: 3:38pm On Jul 25, 2023

michlins:
you don't just earn and relax. If he saves two months salary,he can establish a good business that can sustain the lifestyle

Assuming he has no other responsibilities, two months savings is about 5million in naira, with unstable government policies, I won't advise anyone to throw 5 million at business

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by dreamxhaser: 3:39pm On Jul 25, 2023

Middleborn:

I work two remote jobs currently. i've been working with one of them since 2020. Many people have been laid off during this time but i've been super reliable. So it is possible for him to keep this job for the next 3 years. The point is showing them why you are so much valuable to them. Biuld friendship and good relations etc.

He can also keep tabs on other similar companies as a plan B if he is laid off.

Hey

What do you think about the tech Industry for someone who's just starting?

Do you think AI will replace tech guys?

I have asked this question a thousand times and anytime I see someone post something like that on Twitter, it sparks my anxiety.

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by MT: 3:44pm On Jul 25, 2023

dreamxhaser:

Hey

What do you think about the tech Industry for someone who's just starting?

Do you think AI will replace tech guys?

I have asked this question a thousand times and anytime I see someone post something like that on Twitter, it sparks my anxiety.

I read an article yesterday, and if i still see it, i will post it here.

The future is that AI will replace all jobs, even the ones that involve emotions. However, it is still a long years ahead, so go into tech and still make your cash, if you are good at it. Humans wont work again, machines will be working for them. How the government will sustain that, I do not know. But that was what I read in one of the articles in the US.

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by MeineMutter: 3:47pm On Jul 25, 2023

hazinibones:

Thanks Tommy. I am 29. Any particular reason why in my 20s? Please every single information count.

That’s the age you can do some ‘trial and error’ with your life and you tend to get things right before you cross 30.

Relocating abroad after 40 without in-demand skill can be frustrating, even though it is better than not relocating. But at ages above 40, be investing (where your mouth is) back home so that after 50/55 years, you can go back and sit down to enjoy your sweat.

If you wait till 65 before leaving, na another person go enjoy bulk of it. Not you.

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by sukkot: 3:47pm On Jul 25, 2023

Gokoyer0:
With that salary in a place like Canada, the tax deduction will not be less than 37.5%.
Can people in USA verify tax deduction on 120k USD salary?

Op, dey play dey play. They say you can earn 10k USD/month. Ask them what will be your take home from it. How much are you going to pay for rent in place where get 10k USD/month job? Let him go to LinkedIn/Quora and ask questions from gurus in his field who are blacks/Nigerians. He comes to Nairaland to be more confused.

Japa is for strugglers! My neighbor that left for UK in 2021 has returned with his family. They sold their bungalow before they left and returned few months ago into a rented 3 bedroom apartment in another area. Many don't have the courage to do what this family just did. For instance, I learned that to renew 2.5 yrs visa for a family of 4 will spend around 15k pounds..

true story ?

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by 1Sharon(f): 3:48pm On Jul 25, 2023

Here we go again!

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by optimusprime2(m): 3:50pm On Jul 25, 2023

Sirchiboy:
..
Why bro.
I am in my thirties.
Can't it work

I am not saying it can't work, infact it will work very easily if you really put your mind into it.

However, certain questions now become very important such as;

-1 Which country? (Is language going to be a challenge)

-2 Are you ready to deal with the difficulty associated with relearning and readapting to humble beginnings or possibly hitting the restart button?

-3 Reintegration into a different society

-4 How long will it take for residency paperwork to become consolidated

As someone in his twenties the above questions would land differently due to a lesser gravitational pull on them, however in your thirties those same questions tend to land heavier.

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by OVB123: 3:51pm On Jul 25, 2023

hopey8088:
The only issue i have with this is just that if he lose this job what then happens, I agree with building your own business but omo, Naija government na discouragement, their head no dey one place and they can't be trusted.

But for me, i prefer staying in my country, if i'm the one earning such salary.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by AgentGoat: 3:56pm On Jul 25, 2023

Phranx1:
Better still i believe you can afford a temporary travel (Vacation) so go Urself & compare Urself

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by Shikena(m): 4:04pm On Jul 25, 2023

Dotherightthing:

Anything can happen anywhere.

Let's learn to live one day at a time.

He made a good point, this your reply to having no contingency plan get as e be.
Plan B: Live one day at a time, anything can happen anywhere grin

Re: Is Japa Worth It? by like1: 4:04pm On Jul 25, 2023

If you 3k dolls job in Nigeria is not at risk and you leave Nigeria, quote me anywhere you will regret it.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by OdogwuEkeke(m): 4:05pm On Jul 25, 2023

First, I will like to congratulate on being able to earn in dollars in Nigeria.
My japa journey took 7 years. 'Cold feet na normal thing'

I have failed multiple times hence I think I know exactly how you feel. I planned Canada,Belgium, Germany, South Africa and they all failed until Uk welcomed me.

To be honest there is no right and wrong answer to what you are seeking, some people come here and regret while some others are flourishing in Nigeria. Just this past weekend, I was talking to a guy close to one of Nigerias top skit maker/comedian and was told he makes on average $70,000 monthly with betting companies signing thousands of dollars deal with them. Such a person cannot make that amount anywhere and would be free of tax.

On the other hand, I got a software developer working for a company in the abroad and after a while, they felt it was not safe to have a team member have access to sensitive information about the company stay in Nigeria. He was told to leave.

Truth be told the stigma against Nigeria is very bad, most people are just waiting to change their passport. I know a good number of Nigerian celebrities that bought passports from caribbean countries just to ease movement and do business without stress.

My advice: Keep your job, do it with all your strength for like a year and then consider working for another country outside Nigeria. If you are the only black at the office, trust me,you might have issues with your colleagues. I wish you all the best

hazinibones:
Hello Nairalanders,

I have this decision bothering me. I know it is a personal problem, but I believe everyone need some guidance at every point in life.

Straight to it, I have been considering Japa for over two years now and I think the opportunity might be here but I am having a cold feet.

I recently started working for a foreign company as a software engineer and the pay is decent when converted to Naira. Enough to live an averagely comfortable life. But my challenge now is that, I have been talking to some friends that are outside the country and they keep telling me how life is not easy there and cost of living is super expensive out there.

I currently earn $3000, which I plan to either save and travel or startup a business here in Nigeria. Please, Nairalanders with experience, is it worth japa to live an almost average life for almost the rest of your life or investing here in Nigeria and growing wealth?

The healthcare and quality education benefit is there as an advantage for japa though.

Thanks in advance for your responses!

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by michlins(m): 4:05pm On Jul 25, 2023

isArray:
Assuming he has no other responsibilities, two months savings is about 5million in naira, with unstable government policies, I won't advise anyone to throw 5 million at business

I started my own business with less than ₦700,000 and now, I know how far I have grown.

Make una no dey put unnecessary fears for new business owners

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by like1: 4:07pm On Jul 25, 2023

Creamcrest:

The fact that you are in the US doesn't mean you know it all,if you move in with the right visa and go for good paying jobs like tech, healthcare you will surely enjoy the USA.

There's nothing abroad but you have refused to come back to the eldorado naija.

We are not coming back because you will follow laugh us, like after these years he came back with nothing.

It is easier not to leave in the first place, than to come back after leaving. If you Japa, you don japa ,nothing like coming back, it's like the real old days marriage, for better for worse.

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by tensazangetsu20(m): 4:08pm On Jul 25, 2023

lastkingsman:

Chai, Al-Jagabani for use you do suya

Congratulations on escaping

Bros I know people insanely skilled that will kill for a 200k job now. This were people earning more than 3000 USD o. Life happens fast in naija o. It's not even about how good you are, you being in Nigeria is a factor many do not want to deal with at all

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Re: Is Japa Worth It? by like1: 4:10pm On Jul 25, 2023

twosquare:
Don't mind him...he doesn't know the worth of a software engineer and how much they really earn...a quick google research will fix that and want to stay in inflation-ridden nigeria where people are being driven into extreme poverty. Instead of him to have both advantages, come do vacation for Naija if he like this place so much.

You know how many software engineers that are out of real employment and do this freelance things? There is a reason they outsourced abroad from Nigeria. They want to keep cost low. He is unlikely to be hired by same company even with his experience in the company if he is on site.

You guys don't know what is going on!

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