KnownUnknown:


The definition of a creator according to a dictionary is one that creates usually by bringing something new or original into being.

So, a creator can be anything from a human that created an engine to an orangutang that created a nest.

I still don’t know what you mean by “the creator”. What did this creator of yours create, cheesecake?

gisevak:

Well,my own concept is that "creator" refers to a divine being or a higher power that is believed to have created the universe. Does the creator exist? Yes or No

Maynman:

It's your own definition and you are neutral 😂😂

gisevak:


Let us take this analogy: I am not a sea diver, and so I don't have the capacity to go inside the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. I have tried to go deep, but I lack the capacity to do so. And I have a brother or someone that can go that deep into the ocean, or probably must have gone inside. And someone told me there was gold at the bottom of the sea. What would you do to verify the truth? So I lack the capacity to even reject the Creator. You can go ahead and provide that fact or books that claim there is no creator with 100 percent proof. I am open-minded about the Creator.

gisevak:

What is your proof for this claim? Where did you read it? Can you point me to the facts? Don't just tell me you have no proof for this claim. Put into writing here facts and not illogical guesses.

Maynman:

It's your own definition and you are neutral 😂😂

gisevak:

Well,my own concept is that "creator" refers to a divine being or a higher power that is believed to have created the universe. Does the creator exist? Yes or No

gisevak:

He asked for the definition of a creator. I have to provide him one so that he can answer my question. He kept dodging my question. 

jaephoenix:

You need proof of how trees grow? Proof of how they geeminate from a seed or stock and turn into that giant baobab or iroko?
Dafuq!

gisevak:

What is your stand on the concept of a creator or creators? Do you know if it exists or if it doesn't exist?

jaephoenix:

You need proof of how trees grow? Proof of how they geeminate from a seed or stock and turn into that giant baobab or iroko?
Dafuq!

jaephoenix:

Trees aren't created!
You lack simple scientific knowledge judging by your posts

jaephoenix:

Everything around us evolved or grew. Some were human made. Animals, rocks, trees all evolved from tiny multicellulars. How those multicellulars came to be, I don't know. But if they were created, then that means that creator must have a creator. Such powerful, wise creator surely wouldnt pop into existence, would it?

gisevak:


Natural means" refers to processes, actions, or methods that are part of or consistent with the laws and principles of the natural world. There are artificial creations, like drugs. Can you prove there is no natural creation by natural means? Maybe you could state where scientists say those natural creations are not creations created by natural means. 

gisevak:


I have been an atheist before, and I have done more than you have. See, I had first-hand experience of a spiritual word existing. I have had my first experience with dead-people communication. This life is beyond the material or physical world. You have been lied to! It's more honest and logical to be open-minded about things than dogmatic about them. Atheists are even more dogmatic about their views than theists. Science books are their holy books, just as the Bible is the book of Christians. Science has been politicized. The truth has been hidden.

gisevak:


I might be talking with a kid who doesn't see life beyond the mother's home. It's like saying there is no food in the house. And someone pointed out the rice in the house. My fellow still said there is no food; I should show him or her food. And he or she is seeing food on the table. And he or she would still ask for evidence of food. Does this really make sense at all? 
A reminder: evidence of a creation is natural creations like humans, trees, etc. Does making illogical guesses nullify the existence of a creator because you didn't see it? Provide answers to the questions being asked.
 

Maynman:

No he didn't, he gave you a definition from dictionary that's neutral and you gave him your own CONCEPT

gisevak:


 
The need for logical proof often arises when a negative statement makes a factual assertion or a claim about reality. You made a factual claim that there is no Creator, so I demand you state your proof. Don't come here and ask me for any proof if you can't provide evidence for what you claim. You are more ignorant than the way I see it. Personally, I don't claim to have concluded that there is no Creator, nor do I accept it fully. I am just on neutral ground. I'm sorry for this generation of woke atheists who claim there are no creators because they read a book that doesn't prove the existence of a creator.

gisevak:

I needed him to tell me his stand or concept, of a creator? Does it know creator exist or not? He knows the creator, he is just beating around the bush. Let him tell me his stand on the existence of a creator.

jaephoenix:

You're still insisting humans and trees are created?
Damn dude! Have you completed high school?

gisevak:

Is this meant to be an insult? I have been a science students up till university days until now that i am a programmer in a reputable company, I have never seen any science book or books that even carried any existence of a creator.  I gave you examples of a creation, and you said they are not created, can you prove it, then you result to insult.

Maynman:

Whose concept, yours?

gisevak:

My creator has no specific definitions, i don't have enough fact tiso provide the full definition of what a creator is, but I can simply put that creator or creators any entity that create. We may have a creator or infinite creators.

Maynman:

Your reasoning is low, it shows.

"Science student"

Maynman:

Right, your creator, do you know what dogma is

gisevak:

High reasoning person can you prove that creator does not exits? Kiddo you are still sucking breast from your mother's breast. You join atheist beacuse my friends are doing so. I You might just say you don't exist to as that you. I think you reasoning is lower than the lowest animal. See, someone saying creator does not exist, having no proof to back it, i just laugh at your ignorance. You sound dumb!

gisevak:

What is your stand creator exist, yes or no?

jaephoenix:

No you aint open-minded.
Lemme expound further.
What if I tell you there's a monster sitting on your head right now? Would you believe me or not? Please answer yes or no. And your reasons. I don't need a bush-beating answer.
Thank you

gisevak:

Prove me wrong that I am not open-minded.

Maynman:

There's nothing like "creator"

gisevak:

[b]Can you provide a prof for this? Anyone can just bring guesses.ofs yoyoi ylb]

Maynman:

Once you provide proof of your creator, a

jaephoenix:


You lack simple scientific knowledge judging by your posts