Christian Association of Nigeria political agenda that must not fly:

2 Thessalonians 2:3…Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, THE SON OF PERDITION

I take personal responsibility for all written here! This is a burden I have carried for days now. Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

There is an audio message tagged ‘wake up call’, going viral everywhere, especially in the Christian community in the Southwest. Having listened to that message over and over, I can conclude that CAN is a religious arm of PDP under the present leadership of CAN.

Something isn't just straight about the message. It looks to me like a heavens cry, 'sandwiched' with personal opinions to make Jonathan’s candidacy acceptable to the southwest..

I always have issue with religious body imposing a candidate on d nation in d name of God. Here are my points:

1. D issue of Islamic agenda is well taken and thank God, many of us are hearing ds heart cry better now. But for those involved in missions work beyond d church wall, it's been echoed over and over in our hearing... That, I agree 100%.

2. If Babangida took $21 billion, and gave to the IOC, CAN can take it up legally on our behalf if they mean business for the Church.

3. We have had other president of CAN in the past, who upheld the banner of truth for Christ, even in military era. So painting a picture as though Christian community should celebrate for having present CAN leadership, who has never stood for the masses against the tyranny of government of the day, is at best taking the entire church for granted.

4. Warning the church about ‘prosperity message’ is timely but, the message should be lived out in principle from CAN leadership, then, the message will have enough weight , else the message is contradicting the lifestyles of same leadership.

5. CAN is not well funded, we all agree that is wrong. But CAN leadership has enough money to pay for hanging private jet every day. So why exactly is CAN talking about funding when they have individuals who have private jet as priority? All these are just preambles!

6. 'Nigeria problem is not corruption but, dual ideology within Nigeria constitution': No Sir, Nigeria problem is first and clearly corrupt leaders. Obasanjo was presented as the ‘anointed of the church’, he knew about those dual ideology yet, under him, Sharia was implemented in Zamfara and other states. All he said was ‘Sharia will die a natural death’. What exactly were the church leaders we always saw in Aso Rock during Obasanjo was telling him about church agenda. Were they going there for personal agenda, and never mentioned that which pertains to the Church agenda?

7. The Pastor said there is a handshake between the northwest and southwest, as such we must stop APC agenda. That is exactly what they wanted to sell, sandwiched between heart cry message, to transport PDP and Jonathan to the gullible Southwest religious Zombies.

He said ‘2015 Lagos State Governor must be a Christian’!
You see how funny CAN can go in playing PDP game! Who exactly do the Church have to represent ‘us’? We are talking of good leadership, CAN is talking of somebody they can always have access to. They should tell us a Christian Governor as at now, representing the teaching of Jesus in leadership.

Pause for a while and think: Fasola(Lagos) did not force his wife to become a Muslim over the years; Tinubu (APC)did not force his wife to become Muslim(she's even a Pastor); Ajimobi(APC Oyo) did not force his wife to become a Muslim, Kwara State governor (not sure anyway) did nor force his wife to become a Muslim....It's all about leadership ideology, not religious nonsense!!

He said, we should not accept a Christian candidate an Islamic party (APC) gives, ‘we should choose our own candidate under another party: What is the name of that ‘another party, PDP? Now the agenda within the message is getting clearer!!

9. The preacher said Abacha was the best president because God used him to depose the then Sultan. Abacha is not d best president Nigeria ever had, dt is a personal opinion of d minister, not God's. It's as good as saying Pharaoh was d best and perfect leader God ever raised for d Israelis simply because under him, Israelites had their freedom as it was written.

10. The Pastor said ‘whether Obasanjo did the right thing or not does not matter, he was a covenant child’. The problem of insensitivity from the pulpit is becoming obvious now. David the king was a covenant child, yet he was raised as a king ‘FOR THE SAKE OF THE PEOPLE’. A covenant child who ruled with wickedness is a cousin to d d,,,evil. God is not glorified that way! That is not God's way.

11. Here is the BIG BANG THEORY:
2015 has nothing to do with whether Jonathan is performing or not performing. The President who takes Nigeria into 2015, is the one who takes control for the next 100 years…

He said Jonathan is 100% successful in d sight of God. Ha, Apistacy! Jonathan is not God's anointed 100% fulfilling what God plans for Nigeria (that is blasphemy, stop being gullible). That is d exact thing CAN leadership wants to sell out through religious abracadabra (after all, they are comfortable). Leadership is about d people, God never intends to put a leader that will oppress Human being by any means. Drop your religious goggle and judge if Nigeria is better for it under Jonathan in as Any ramifications. When d righteous rule ppu, are happy, when d wicked rules ppu mourn.

How can Church leaders say openly that Jonathan is doing what God asks him to do? Stop selling personal gain of religious leaders to d body as though d absolute truth. Jonathan is not ,,,advancing d kingdom purpose, CAN should stop being an extension of PDP to oppress d land. Stop painting our most high God as an insensitive and oppressive God.

Kindomnewsng.com? PROPHECY? That is the issue. What exactly is this 'prophecy' that fits Jonathan into the program of the church? Don't we have right to know as the children of the Kingdom if there is any 'special prophecy'? From who? We should stop being used by a few for personal gain lest we pray amis!

Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?(James 3:11). How can same leadership, sold out to Mormonism and materialism have a clear cut direction for the church in Nigeria? Their offspring in Christendom are making the offering of God detestable like the days of Saul.

They don’t know anything about Prophecy of Jonathan..
God can use a MUSLIM President or Governor to dismantle what Islam has put together for years....
They said Obasanjo was fulfilling prophecy then, and we asked questions that they can’t answer. Which Prophecy is making Jonathan oppress the land? Nigeria's debt has gone up again, family life deteriorated because of economy; more difficult as a Christian to make ends meet if you want to stand straight under same administration...Is that what the Prophecy all about?

God can't put a man there, and humanity is suffering, and some folks are talking of one prophecy in the sky. What exactly do we know as prophecy...
This is the Prophecy I personally can see it's fulfillment under Jonathan clearly: WOE UNTO YOU OH LAND, WHEN YOUR KING IS A CHILD, AND YOUR PRINCES(LEGISLATORS) FEAST IN THE MORNING.
The same leadership will not support, if a serious, accountable, well known disciple of Jesus joins politics. They rather will align with anyone bearing Christian name by mouth who they can control for gain. Christians should stop complaining about politics when they are discouraging disciples involvement in politics. If APC leaders are predominantly Muslims, it is because they are always involved,( though that should not justify such imbalance in APC).
It is time to take d kingdom into politics, Jonathan cannot be our representative, he is not serving any divine agenda. CAN has never stood for d masses, under Jonathan rule of incompetence and insensitivity. This river is polluted, God must wash His church, get rid of leaders who exchanged our scepter for political gain and affiliation. Cyrus was not a Jew, yet d vessel of God for restoration of all dt were written!.

Jonathan is not part of ds Kingdom yet, High priest, Herod, and Pharisees are d same, used against Jesus. Stop being gullible, sift d message, and hold on to reality of d call to prayer in it. Now if this agenda ever flies and Jonathan is there till 2019, what then will CAN come up with? Nothing? By that time, PDP has no choice than to pick a northerner, & a Muslim. APC also has to pick a northerner & a Muslim ( is it logical enough? it can’t be a southern President again, & not a Christian). U see why all ds sandwich is dangerous.... CAN is using church to play a dirty game. They are not concerned about d church o, they are concerned about more jets, private universities, more waivers till 2019. Sorry my post is disappointing. Maybe I hear a distance drum, dancing to another tune!

Who is supposed to read that term paper?

@OP,

So you really think its all about Jonathan and 2015 elections?
Then you have developed your own version of conspiracy theory from his message.

Is there a Jihardists agenda for Nigeria?
If yes, then we must be on our guard!

As deadly as Boko Haram is, fellow Moslems refused to condemn them when they were bombing churches.
here you are up in arms with Bosun simply because you think he is sold out to Jonathan's re election.

Mister, give us ideas on how to curb the violent and forceful spreading of Islam in Nigeria.
Moderate Moslems are denying it, and folks like you think its all about getting a good leader.

the truth is that docility has finished the church in Nigeria.
some of us are aware of the threat of the Jihardists but did nothing!

did you say OBJ was "anointed of the church"?
when, how and where?

We all know OBj was anointed by IBB, Abdusalami and the Caliphate!

Mister, Papa Ayo did not pay for his jet! He did not spend a dime let alone from the purse of CAN.

I did not need Bosun to tell me to beware of the APC and there colonisation agenda!

Right from the very set, some of us have stood against the APC gang up! I am from the South East and we are doing all we can stop the encroachment into our territories.

How can I have anything to do with APC when the ambitious tyrant called Buhari is as the centre?
Anyone of our own hobnobbing with the likes of Buhari will be taking to the cleaners!

The only "leader" suitable for Nigeria is the criminal called Luggard, unfortunately, he is dead.

Bro, do you know the worst case?
Let us split Nigeria now!
Let Buhari rule the North, let Tinubu rule the west, then we in Biafra can choose our won leader.
So you think the problem of Nigeria is leadership?

I wish you well.

am feeling sleepy where is the BS rest room.

op quite an epistle

bt i will love to listen to d tape circulating in south west and northwest b4 commenting

however, i think is wrong to label CAN as PDP appendage

noblezone: @OP,

So you really think its all about Jonathan and 2015 elections?
Then you have developed your own version of conspiracy theory from his message.

Is there a Jihardists agenda for Nigeria?
If yes, then we must be on our guard!

As deadly as Boko Haram is, fellow Moslems refused to condemn them when they were bombing churches.
here you are up in arms with Bosun simply because you think he is sold out to Jonathan's re election.

Mister, give us ideas on how to curb the violent and forceful spreading of Islam in Nigeria.
Moderate Moslems are denying it, and folks like you think its all about getting a good leader.

the truth is that docility has finished the church in Nigeria.
some of us are aware of the threat of the Jihardists but did nothing!

did you say OBJ was "anointed of the church"?
when, how and where?

We all know OBj was anointed by IBB, Abdusalami and the Caliphate!

Mister, Papa Ayo did not pay for his jet! He did not spend a dime let alone from the purse of CAN.

I did not need Bosun to tell me to beware of the APC and there colonisation agenda!

Right from the very set, some of us have stood against the APC gang up! I am from the South East and we are doing all we can stop the encroachment into our territories.

How can I have anything to do with APC when the ambitious tyrant called Buhari is as the centre?
Anyone of our own hobnobbing with the likes of Buhari will be taking to the cleaners!

The only "leader" suitable for Nigeria is the criminal called Luggard, unfortunately, he is dead.

Bro, do you know the worst case?
Let us split Nigeria now!
Let Buhari rule the North, let Tinubu rule the west, then we in Biafra can choose our won leader.
So you think the problem of Nigeria is leadership?

I wish you well.

The OP forgot the 30years ultimatum for Christianity in this country.
I personally think what the church should concern itself with is how to promote the Christian agenda.

RockMaxi:

The OP forgot the 30years ultimatum for Christianity in this country.
I personally think what the church should concern itself with is how to promote the Christian agenda.

They've been promoting Christian agenda unlike their counterparts who are promoting hate and jihad.

CAN has never advocated governance based on the New Testament, unlike the Imams who want sharia introduced nationwide.

Patiently, I read the article to the last full stop.

Now tell me op ; You see nothing wrong when the Islam tags it a taboo for a Muslim to cast his or her vote for a Christian but came here to spew balderish 'just' because CAN urged all Christians to vote for a christian.

Nonsense of a writeup !!

OP sorry, after listening to the "eye-opening" message, my family and I have made up our minds. As Christians, we must protect the Banner of Christianity and say NO TO ISLAMISATION OF NIGERIA.

Every Christian needs to listen to the message. Here it is, not what OP tried to distort! It is a bomb:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FhYpKBKusQ

Xetima: OP sorry, after listening to the "eye-opening" message, my family and I have made up our minds. As Christians, we must protect the Banner of Christianity and say NO TO ISLAMISATION OF NIGERIA.

Every Christian needs to listen to the message. Here it is, not what OP tried to distort! It is a bomb:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FhYpKBKusQ

Sir, I did not distort d message, I only made my observations known. Unlike u, who are hearing this for d first time, if involved in missions work beyond church wall and prosperity message, u won't hear D's for d first time. That also tells me how terrible things have become for many to say they are hearing D's for d first time. What exactly do u ppu pray about over years. u may think Dt I am far from d cross But, when u are serious to hear clear heart cry devoid of political sandwich, I recommend u listen to d likes of CAPRO mission. D's generation is too gullible! Time will Tell, I know I sound odd now.

babyosisi: Who is supposed to read that term paper?

HER NAME IS BABYOSISI!!!!

Chai nne u get am for mouth

APC seeking and fearing Christian votes since 2011

I guess the trauma of 2011 election still dey their body.

I taught they said that they don't fear xtians vote na wetin again? Na force to vote APC ni?

The Muslim bastard op wey sabi quote bible come here dey preach to his ancestors.

Let muslim vote muslim if they like but we christians say with no shaking and PRIDE

GEJ
TILL
2019

dmighty:
Sir, I did not distort d message, I only made my observations known. Unlike u, who are hearing this for d first time, if involved in missions work beyond church wall and prosperity message, u won't hear D's for d first time. That also tells me how terrible things have become for many to say they are hearing D's for d first time. What exactly do u ppu pray about over years. u may think Dt I am far from d cross But, when u are serious to hear clear heart cry devoid of political sandwich, I recommend u listen to d likes of CAPRO mission. D's generation is too gullible! Time will Tell, I know I sound odd now.

bros trust me, you are not sounding odd!
You are simply naive!

You are very sincere but innocently very naive!

Let me tell you a story. There was this occasion that our people decided to revenge the killings in the North in the name of Allah!

northermers were fleeing the South East and some of them were killed! However, at Owerri. A couple (a man and his pregnant wife) decided to save this Northener, a moslem in their home. They hid him, fed him and protected him throught the crises.

When it all died down, one day the man of the house went out, and by the time he was back, his wife was slaughtered by the Jihardist he haboured ih his home. The Jihardist killed his wife and escaped!

The owerri man was sincere but very naive just like you.

The tragedy of Islam is that politcs cannot be seperated from religion, and the tragedy of the church is that we left politics for them! And they were using state power and funds to reck havoc on us!

The current war is because they see that they are loosing political power which is their "birth right".

In my own church when I started creating this awareness in 2012, my brethren were angry, they felt i was sandwiching politics into the spiritual!

Bro, the church must rise up now! We cant ignore the Nigerian politics anymore! Churches are demolished in the North by their governors, but mosques are being construted South by our Governors!

How naive our leaders are!

Check my posts, my main motivation for Biafra is the understanding I have about Islam and her demonic Jihardism, since we cant keep them from going wild, we better draw our boundaries.

Whatever happens, just know that the naivity of people like you is a strong aid to the Jihardists.
God bless you.

M0GIDI:

They've been promoting Christian agenda unlike their counterparts who are promoting hate and jihad.

CAN has never advocated governance based on the New Testament, unlike the Imams who want sharia introduced nationwide.

Please tell us the imams talking about Sharia all over the country

99100: Patiently, I read the article to the last full stop.

Now tell me op ; You see nothing wrong when the Islam tags it a taboo for a Muslim to cast his or her vote for a Christian but came here to spew balderish 'just' because CAN urged all Christians to vote for a christian.

Nonsense of a writeup !!

Let us talk about where there is a mix
in 1979 - 1983 all the SW states (Ogun, Oyo, Ondo) were ruled by Christian-Christian tickets
Until the advent of Amosun, Ogun state had never had a muslim governor
Just 4 years ago, before Aregbesola, Osun was a under a Christian-Christian ticket (Oyinlola and Obada)
So where are the Muslims tagging voting for a Christian a taboo?

noblezone:

bros trust me, you are not sounding odd!
You are simply naive!

You are very sincere but innocently very naive!

Let me tell you a story. There was this occasion that our people decided to revenge the killings in the North in the name of Allah!

northermers were fleeing the South East and some of them were killed! However, at Owerri. A couple (a man and his pregnant wife) decided to save this Northener, a moslem in their home. They hid him, fed him and protected him throught the crises.

When it all died down, one day the man of the house went out, and by the time he was back, his wife was slaughtered by the Jihardist he haboured ih his home. The Jihardist killed his wife and escaped!

The owerri man was sincere but very naive just like you.

So how come Gowon - a Christian - ruled for 9 years when the majority of the people who carried out the coup that brought him to power were Muslims
When Gowon was toppled in a bloodless coup it took mostly Christians just 6 months to assassinate Muratala in a bloody coup
Did the Muslims call it a religious thingh
The first coup that was planned in this country (by Christians we must remember) led to the death of 2 Muslims at the top
Did Muslims stop trusting Christiians
The 2nd coup also brought a Christian into power
So where exactly are these calculating Muslims

When Muslims clashed with Birom people, Christians said our people are being attacked
when Muslims who went for eid were killed, roasted and eaten (yes eaten - search for Jos cannibalism on youtube)
Christians kept quiet

If you want to use your Owerri incident (which we cannot verify) as evidence against Muslims in general
What should we do about the Jos cannaibalism by Birom Christians?

noblezone: The tragedy of Islam is that politcs cannot be seperated from religion, and the tragedy of the church is that we left politics for them! And they were using state power and funds to reck havoc on us!

So when exactly were Christians not in government?
Under Balewa, Gowon, Murtala, Shagari, Buhari, Babangida, Abacha (the most powerful person under him was Jerry Useni)
So when did you leave politics for Muslims?

In addition, can you tell me the people who were the cabinet members under Buhari?
My point - critical ministries were headed by Christians
If Buhari was a Jihadist would there not have been outrage when he had absolute power as a military head of state
We should remember that Katsina where Buhari hails from gave Jonathan 25% of their votes
Yet they are supposed to be so intolerant of Christians
But people who have some selfish agenda would never admit it

noblezone: The current war is because they see that they are loosing political power which is their "birth right".

If violence is fight over power
how come Boko Haram became violent under Yaradua
Or was it not Yaradua government that killed their leader
Were Muslims losing power under Yaradua?
And how come the founder of Boko Haram is now working for Jonathan?

If you want to know, unless you make a Boko Haram member president, they will not stop
Buhari is not their candidate

noblezone: motivation for Biafra is the understanding I have about Islam and her demonic Jihardism, since we cant keep them from going wild, we better draw our boundaries.

Biafra (to me) was a political issue, not religious
Afterall the head of state then - Gowon - is a Christian
He cannot be fighting jihad against Christians
Infact Islam does not allow me to discuss ethnicity
I should not discriminate against Muslims from SW, SE, SS or anywhere else

I hope you know that posts like these are what the extremists like
Let me ask you - how many people had heard of Yusuf Suleiman or Shekau before the advent of Boko Haram?
So how did he become the leader of all Muslims

The problem is that Christians are searching for a real crisis
By the time mainstream Christians start thinking like Shekau (my people only) then mainstream Muslims will sto supporting Christian candidates
Or do you believe only Christians voted for Jonathan in 2011?

By the time you say only Christians should rule, what do you think you will have
a country where no place is safe for anyone
Why do you think accidental discharge happens indiscriminately now
Because the religious differences are not pronounced

Your solution is a recipe for perpetual instability
Check out Rwanda - beneath the veneer of calm is deep tension which will inevitably boil over

Yoruba know how much Jonathan hate them. Yoruba don't see anything Jonathan has done in the SW. Jonathan snubbed Yoruba in his cabinet. Jonathan clearly does not hide his disgust for Yoruba. He opened up the border for Ebola to come to Lagos thinking it will kill Yoruba alone in his dumb mind, and has since refused to help Lagos fight the dangerous disease. He instructs all ebola patients must be brought to Lagos and kept among the general population in LUTH and UCH in IB. He keeps bringing problems to Lagos and turn his back. He uses SW as dump site and Lab rats without help to fight or combat the problems. All we need to do is compile his atrocious deals with Yoruba since he's been in office and spread it.

No other president in our history has disrespected Yoruba this much.

dmighty: Christian Association of Nigeria political agenda that must not fly:
2 Thessalonians 2:3…Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, THE SON OF PERDITION
I take personal responsibility for all written here! This is a burden I have carried for days now. Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
There is an audio message tagged ‘wake up call’, going viral everywhere, especially in the Christian community in the Southwest. Having listened to that message over and over, I can conclude that CAN is a religious arm of PDP under the present leadership of CAN. Something isn't just straight about the message. It looks to me like a heavens cry, 'sandwiched' with personal opinions to make Jonathan’s candidacy acceptable to the southwest.. I always have issue with religious body imposing a candidate on d nation in d name of God. Here are my points:
1. D issue of Islamic agenda is well taken and thank God, many of us are hearing ds heart cry better now. But for those involved in missions work beyond d church wall, it's been echoed over and over in our hearing... That, I agree 100%.
2. If Babangida took $21 billion, and gave to the IOC, CAN can take it up legally on our behalf if they mean business for the Church.
3. We have had other president of CAN in the past, who upheld the banner of truth for Christ, even in military era. So painting a picture as though Christian community should celebrate for having present CAN leadership, who has never stood for the masses against the tyranny of government of the day, is at best taking the entire church for granted.
4. Warning the church about ‘prosperity message’ is timely but, the message should be lived out in principle from CAN leadership, then, the message will have enough weight , else the message is contradicting the lifestyles of same leadership.
5. CAN is not well funded, we all agree that is wrong. But CAN leadership has enough money to pay for hanging private jet every day. So why exactly is CAN talking about funding when they have individuals who have private jet as priority? All these are just preambles!
6. 'Nigeria problem is not corruption but, dual ideology within Nigeria constitution': No Sir, Nigeria problem is first and clearly corrupt leaders. Obasanjo was presented as the ‘anointed of the church’, he knew about those dual ideology yet, under him, Sharia was implemented in Zamfara and other states. All he said was ‘Sharia will die a natural death’. What exactly were the church leaders we always saw in Aso Rock during Obasanjo was telling him about church agenda. Were they going there for personal agenda, and never mentioned that which pertains to the Church agenda?
7. The Pastor said there is a handshake between the northwest and southwest, as such we must stop APC agenda. That is exactly what they wanted to sell, sandwiched between heart cry message, to transport PDP and Jonathan to the gullible Southwest religious Zombies.
. ‘2015 Lagos State Governor must be a Christian’. You see how funny CAN can go in playing PDP game! Who exactly do the Church have to represent ‘us’? We are talking of good leadership, CAN is talking of somebody they can always have access to. They should tell us a Christian Governor as at now, representing the teaching of Jesus in leadership. He said, we should not accept a Christian candidate an Islamic party (APC) gives, ‘we should choose our own candidate under another party: What is the name of that ‘another party, PDP? Now the agenda within the message is getting clearer!!
9. The preacher said Abacha was the best president because God used him to depose the then Sultan. Abacha is not d best president Nigeria ever had, dt is a personal opinion of d minister, not God's. It's as good as saying Pharaoh was d best and perfect leader God ever raised for d Israelis simply because under him, Israelites had their freedom as it was written.
10. The Pastor said ‘whether Obasanjo did the right thing or not does not matter, he was a covenant child’. The problem of insensitivity from the pulpit is becoming obvious now. David the king was a covenant child, yet he was raised as a king ‘FOR THE SAKE OF THE PEOPLE’. A covenant child who ruled with wickedness is a cousin to d devil. God is not glorified that way! That is not God's way.
11. Here is the BIG BANG THEORY: 2015 has nothing to do with whether Jonathan is performing or not performing. The President who takes Nigeria into 2015, is the one who takes control for the next 100 years…He said Jonathan is 100% successful in d sight of God. Ha, Apistacy! Jonathan is not God's anointed 100% fulfilling what God plans for Nigeria (that is blasphemy, stop being gullible). That is d exact thing CAN leadership wants to sell out through religious abracadabra (after all, they are comfortable). Leadership is about d people, God never intends to put a leader that will oppress Human being by any means. Drop your religious goggle and judge if Nigeria is better for it under Jonathan in as Any ramifications. When d righteous rule ppu, are happy, when d wicked rules ppu mourn. How can Church leaders say openly that Jonathan is doing what God asks him to do? Stop selling personal gain of religious leaders to d body as though d absolute truth. Jonathan is not advancing d kingdom purpose, CAN should stop being an extension of PDP to oppress d land. Stop painting our most high God as an insensitive and oppressive God.
Kindomnewsng.com? PROPHECY? That is the issue. What exactly is this 'prophecy' that fits Jonathan into the program of the church? Don't we have right to know as the children of the Kingdom if there is any 'special prophecy'? From who? We should stop being used by a few for personal gain lest we pray amis! Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?(James 3:11). How can same leadership, sold out to Mormonism and materialism have a clear cut direction for the church in Nigeria? Their offspring in Christendom are making the offering of God detestable like the days of Saul. They don’t know anything about Prophecy of Jonathan.. God can use a MUSLIM President or Governor to dismantle what Islam has put together for years.....They said Obasanjo was fulfilling prophecy then, and we asked questions that they can’t answer. Which Prophecy is making Jonathan oppress the land? Nigeria's debt has gone up again, family life deteriorated because of economy; more difficult as a Christian to make ends meet if you want to stand straight under same administration...Is that what the Prophecy all about? God can't put a man there, and humanity is suffering, and some folks are talking of one prophecy in the sky. What exactly do we know as prophecy...This is the Prophecy I personally can see it's fulfillment under Jonathan clearly: WOE UNTO YOU OH LAND, WHEN YOUR KING IS A CHILD, AND YOUR PRINCES(LEGISLATORS) FEAST IN THE MORNING. The same leadership will not support, if a serious, accountable, well known disciple of Jesus joins politics. They rather will align with anyone bearing Christian name by mouth who they can control for gain. Christians should stop complaining about politics when they are discouraging disciples involvement in politics. If APC leaders are predominantly Muslims, it is because they are always involved,( though that should not juatify such inbalance in APC). It is time to take d kingdom into politics, Jonathan cannot be our representative, he is not serving any divine agenda. CAN has never stood for d masses, under Jonathan rule of incompetence and insensitivity. This river is polluted, God must wash His church, get rid of leaders who exchanged our scepter for political gain and affiliation. Cyrus was not a Jew, yet d vessel of God for restoration of all dt were written!. Jonathan is not part of ds Kingdom yet, High priest, Herod, and Pharisees are d same, used against Jesus. Stop being gullible, sift d message, and hold on to reality of d call to prayer in it. Now if this agenda ever flies and Jonathan is there till 2019, what then will CAN come up with? Nothing? By that time, PDP has no choice than to pick a northerner, & a Muslim. APC also has to pick a northerner & a Muslim ( is it logical enough? it can’t be a southern President again, & not a Christian). U see why all ds sandwich is dangerous.... CAN is using church to play a dirty game. They are not concerned about d church o, they are concerned about more jets, private universities, more waivers till 2019. Sorry my post is disappointing. Maybe I hear a distance drum, dancing to another tune!

Gush....this is unreadable, no clear paragraphs nor spacing

whitecat007: Yoruba know how much Jonathan hate them. Yoruba don't see anything Jonathan has done in the SW. Jonathan snubbed Yoruba in his cabinet. Jonathan clearly does not hide his disgust for Yoruba. He opened up the border for Ebola to come to Lagos thinking it will kill Yoruba alone in his dumb mind, and has since refused to help Lagos fight the dangerous disease. He instructs all ebola patients must be brought to Lagos and kept among the general population in LUTH and UCH in IB. He keeps bringing problems to Lagos and turn his back. He uses SW as dump site and Lab rats without help to fight or combat the problems. All we need to do is compile his atrocious deals with Yoruba since he's been in office and spread it.

No other president in our history has disrespected Yoruba this much.

Ileke...Predictable as usual

whitecat007: Yoruba know how much Jonathan hate them. Yoruba don't see anything Jonathan has done in the SW. Jonathan snubbed Yoruba in his cabinet. Jonathan clearly does not hide his disgust for Yoruba. He opened up the border for Ebola to come to Lagos thinking it will kill Yoruba alone in his dumb mind, and has since refused to help Lagos fight the dangerous disease. He instructs all ebola patients must be brought to Lagos and kept among the general population in LUTH and UCH in IB. He keeps bringing problems to Lagos and turn his back. He uses SW as dump site and Lab rats without help to fight or combat the problems. All we need to do is compile his atrocious deals with Yoruba since he's been in office and spread it.

No other president in our history has disrespected Yoruba this much.

you have point only a barsterd callous yoruba will vote Jonathan in 2015 Jonathan has order some nitwit peoples to use Christianity to preach against A.P.C as for me and my family we will vote A,P .C who ever emerge as flag bearer am a Christian let ibo continue vomiting rubbish I just want to advice my Christian brother they should not let anybody deceive them in use of Christian image to utilize they are ambition jonathan is not a good leader either a believer vote wisely don't allow anybody to manipulate you its not possible for muslim to islamise Nigeria since it wouldn't happen in military era

BetaThings:
Let us talk about where there is a mix
in 1979 - 1983 all the SW states (Ogun, Oyo, Ondo) were ruled by Christian-Christian tickets
Until the advent of Amosun, Ogun state had never had a muslim governor
Just 4 years ago, before Aregbesola, Osun was a under a Christian-Christian ticket (Oyinlola and Obada)
So where are the Muslims tagging voting for a Christian a taboo?

Sorry to say but the Quran said so.

The Derika Muslim Cleric that preached contrary to that taught about 2years ago or there about was almost lynched by angry mobs.
This happened in Kaduna. I can't remember the cleric's name, it happened during the late gov of the state, Yakowa tenure.

BetaThings:
So how come Gowon - a Christian - ruled for 9 years when the majority of the people who carried out the coup that brought him to power were Muslims
When Gowon was toppled in a bloodless coup it took mostly Christians just 6 months to assassinate Muratala in a bloody coup
Did the Muslims call it a religious thingh
The first coup that was planned in this country (by Christians we must remember) led to the death of 2 Muslims at the top
Did Muslims stop trusting Christiians
The 2nd coup also brought a Christian into power
So where exactly are these calculating Muslims

When Muslims clashed with Birom people, Christians said our people are being attacked
when Muslims who went for eid were killed, roasted and eaten (yes eaten - search for Jos cannibalism on youtube)
Christians kept quiet

If you want to use your Owerri incident (which we cannot verify) as evidence against Muslims in general
What should we do about the Jos cannaibalism by Birom Christians?




So when exactly were Christians not in government?
Under Balewa, Gowon, Murtala, Shagari, Buhari, Babangida, Abacha (the most powerful person under him was Jerry Useni)
So when did you leave politics for Muslims?

In addition, can you tell me the people who were the cabinet members under Buhari?
My point - critical ministries were headed by Christians
If Buhari was a Jihadist would there not have been outrage when he had absolute power as a military head of state
We should remember that Katsina where Buhari hails from gave Jonathan 25% of their votes
Yet they are supposed to be so intolerant of Christians
But people who have some selfish agenda would never admit it



If violence is fight over power
how come Boko Haram became violent under Yaradua
Or was it not Yaradua government that killed their leader
Were Muslims losing power under Yaradua?
And how come the founder of Boko Haram is now working for Jonathan?

If you want to know, unless you make a Boko Haram member president, they will not stop
Buhari is not their candidate


Biafra (to me) was a political issue, not religious
Afterall the head of state then - Gowon - is a Christian
He cannot be fighting jihad against Christians
Infact Islam does not allow me to discuss ethnicity
I should not discriminate against Muslims from SW, SE, SS or anywhere else

I hope you know that posts like these are what the extremists like
Let me ask you - how many people had heard of Yusuf Suleiman or Shekau before the advent of Boko Haram?
So how did he become the leader of all Muslims

The problem is that Christians are searching for a real crisis
By the time mainstream Christians start thinking like Shekau (my people only) then mainstream Muslims will sto supporting Christian candidates
Or do you believe only Christians voted for Jonathan in 2011?

By the time you say only Christians should rule, what do you think you will have
a country where no place is safe for anyone
Why do you think accidental discharge happens indiscriminately now
Because the religious differences are not pronounced

Your solution is a recipe for perpetual instability
Check out Rwanda - beneath the veneer of calm is deep tension which will inevitably boil over

WOW!!
This is what I call TKO.
Couldn't have ever said it better.
What else can I say other than to ask GOD in HIS infinite mercy continue to bless and increase you in wisdom and capacity (irrespective of your religious affiliation).

The truth is that igbos are doing more harm than good to gej's 2nd term bid by trying to so hard to ring this religious/tribal sentiments into our brain. But it just won't work.

BetaThings:
Let us talk about where there is a mix
in 1979 - 1983 all the SW states (Ogun, Oyo, Ondo) were ruled by Christian-Christian tickets
Until the advent of Amosun, Ogun state had never had a muslim governor
Just 4 years ago, before Aregbesola, Osun was a under a Christian-Christian ticket (Oyinlola and Obada)
So where are the Muslims tagging voting for a Christian a taboo?

This is the reason why SW will never degenerate to making political decision based on senseless religious affiliation. And we have already seen a glimpse of it in Osun (a majority christian state) voting for a muslim candidate ahead of a supposedly christian pdp candidate.

Please don't abuse me. Just use higher level
ofreasoning and argument to debunk
myscenarios here. I Am creating 3 line of
thoughtalways brought forth by some folks in
dpolitical argument:1. Imagine employing a
security man,empowered and given all
necessary tools For dwork (commander in
chief ). Yet each time thecompound is
distorted by area boys andmiscreants, d
security man comes up withsame excuse and
says, his enemies anddetractors are d ones
sending those thugs to dcompound, although
empowered enough todislodge them, he will
rather watch them, andasks d landlord to
blame his enemies forsending thugs......GEJ and
excuses for notperforming must always be put
on oppositionparties!2. Imagine employing a
house help, payed andpampered, equipped
with everything needed tomake your kitchen
clean. Yet she comes upevery time with an
excuse and say d plateswere already dirty
before I got here, so dblame for not making
them clean should bedirected towards d
previous househelp......That has always been d
excuse forallowing corruption and poor
governance tocontinue by present PDP
leader...3. Imagine a referee (a type of military
head ofstate) that has monopoly of power to
changegame rules at will, yet would not do
that. NowImagine giving that same referee
underanother fifa rule (a type of democracy)
thatsays u can only change and effect a rule
after2 other referees (legislative and judiciary)
haveboth agreed on same issue. That is how
feebled arguments of somebody changing
Nigeria toone religion state under Democratic
rule is!Nigeria is ripe enough to change after
16 yearsof being governed by d same party
that willalways come up and blame d excuse of
d poorstate of d nation on previous
government(which was PDP handing over to
another PDPo).This time around, instead of
using performanceas a yardstick for reelection,
they are throwingaround religion as a bait as
though GEJ hasdone anything to defend
Christianity in aspecial way in Nigeria (except
for d gain of fewCAN leadership Anyway).Vote
with your brain, vote insisting onperformance,
vote characters. Let us stopvoting people who
will take advantage of us atall levels
irrespective of their religion andethnic group.
All I want is sensible governors,legislators, and
president. Stop votingcorruption!

Woe unto Pastor Bosun who in his almighty foolishness and ultra-stamped idiocy think someone like me will fall for the nonsense he is peddling about a phantom Islamization agenda of APC

So i should close my eyes to all the monumental corruption under GEJ and refuse to do the right thing just to spite APC?

Is PDP a Christian party?

Who is even the idi.ot that comes with this concept of religious bigotry which has made people to suddenly become gullible just to keep them in perpetual bondage and shackles of the PDP

Silly Belly Preaching Pastor

They said Jonathan has been correcting the wrongs of the past since, and I ask
which past? Wrong of the past? 1999-2003 PDP; 2003-2007 PDP;2007-2011
PDP, 2011-2014 PDP...which past wrongs? of PDP regime or of pre-PDP regime?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, 15 years with all resources to take a nation from Zero to
any length, we still give excuse? Dubai started within the reign of PDP and now d
whole world runs there...What exactly has GEJ (PDP) been correcting for 15
years sef? Mind you o, if they sell fuel for me for 97 naira/ litre, I know nobody is
getting it less even though in support of their wickedness. What exactly has GEJ
been doing for 5 years now? Vote the same party, with the same people again,
and expect change? it sounds like definition of Madness someone told me long
ago!!

I really respect the op and some rational Christian here. I as a Muslim still wonder how someone who is democratically elected will islamise Nigeria. the only fear hardliner pastor are having is that they hate Bihari.
I still believe in presidential debate than this 'anointed candidate'.

This thread is an eye opener for those who truly love this country without religious bigotry...@betaThings KEEP IT UP! u av d most valid argument...after reading your post i feel like sending some cash to ur account.

Pause for a while and think: Fasola(Lagos) did not force his wife to become a Muslim over the years; Tinubu (APC)did not force his wife to become Muslim(she's even a Pastor); Ajimobi(APC Oyo) did not force his wife to become a Muslim, Kwara State governor (not sure anyway) did nor force his wife to become a Muslim....It's all about leadership ideology, not religious nonsense!!

The fact is that all christians should be prayerful.We should vote oour conscience and be prepared always.

The money RCCG and Winners Chapel make should probably be put to judicious use so that we christians can defend ourselves in the worst case scenario.

My yoruba muslim brothers really need to convince us more that we won't be forced to convert to islam.

Jonathan and his ibo band of scaremongers have seen the potentials of the yoruba musulumi to be radical that is why they are trying their best to sow seeds of disharmony amongst we yorubas.

I personally think if yoruba christians don't spend their monies on frivolous things,we can always protect ourselves from any islamisation plans with or without Goodluck Ebele Jonathan and our arch enemies the ibos.

My Two Cents.

Vote your conscience!!!

Shalom.

CAN be blessed

Just imagine d name Jesus will call that servant who devalue d living standard of people, and devalue their currency, yet he goes ahead to buy special stoves for 9.2 billion naira at that same time. Will Jesus call him a wise or fo0l1sh servant?