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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 1:59pm On Oct 05, 2014
Abdulsalam20:

IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE HE WAS BORN A VIRGIN THEN ADAM SHOULD BE A GREATER GOD BECAUSE HE HAVE NO FATHER AND HAVE NO MOTHER
Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother
because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly
parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the
world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of
Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process
of procreation had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of
procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might
thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held
a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this
miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other
prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely
close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 2:29pm On Oct 05, 2014
malvisguy212:
Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother
because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly
parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the
world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of
Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process
of procreation had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of
procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might
thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held
a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this
miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other
prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely
close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.
LOLZ...THAT IS WHAT I SAID ADAM WAD CREATED MORE MIRACULOUS THAN JESUS THEREFORE ADAM IS GOD HE HAS NO FATHER AND MOTHER


I DONT REALLY WANT TODEBATE WITH YOU BECAUSE ITS OUR FESTIVE PERIOD


YOU SAID JESUS COME TO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR YOUR SIN .......THIS VERSE WILL SHOCK YOU grin grin

Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the
Temple and one of them said unto him: [b]
Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no
remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take
away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of
beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the
conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent
blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of
the Nazorenes, Lection 33, verses 1-2)


see what paul said

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
(Hebrews 9:22)


CHRISTIANITY IS FRAUD
AND LEADS TO HELL

EZEKEIL18:20
New International Version
The one who sins is the one who will die. The
child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will
the parent share the guilt of the child. The
righteousness of the righteous will be credited to
them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be
charged against them.


FOLLOW THIS LINK FOR MORE

www.nairaland.com/1934376/word-begoten-been-removed-frm
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by davien(m): 2:35pm On Oct 05, 2014
malvisguy212:
see my friend,it was clearly written that jesus is the spirit of God,which mean he prexisted right at the begining of creation but only as the spirit of the same God who created the world. Be sincer for once mr athiest.
i don't have anything to gain so why would i be dishonest.in the quran many references are made to dismiss the idea of a trinitarian "god" and a "son of god" and that verse is one of them....

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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Nobody: 6:18am On Oct 06, 2014
malvisguy212:
yes, am a fool and you are wiser. "God has chosen the foolish thing to put to shame the wise."

God? I guess you meant an ET
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Nobody: 6:55am On Oct 06, 2014
Abdulsalam20:

LOLZ...THAT IS WHAT I SAID ADAM WAD CREATED MORE MIRACULOUS THAN JESUS THEREFORE ADAM IS GOD HE HAS NO FATHER AND MOTHER


I DONT REALLY WANT TODEBATE WITH YOU BECAUSE ITS OUR FESTIVE PERIOD


YOU SAID JESUS COME TO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR YOUR SIN .......THIS VERSE WILL SHOCK YOU grin grin

Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the
Temple and one of them said unto him: [b]
Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no
remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take
away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of
beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the
conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent
blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of
the Nazorenes, Lection 33, verses 1-2)


see what paul said

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
(Hebrews 9:22)


CHRISTIANITY IS FRAUD
AND LEADS TO HELL

EZEKEIL18:20
New International Version
The one who sins is the one who will die. The
child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will
the parent share the guilt of the child. The
righteousness of the righteous will be credited to
them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be
charged against them.


FOLLOW THIS LINK FOR MORE

www.nairaland.com/1934376/word-begoten-been-removed-frm


Hahaha christianity put to the sword again lol.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 7:26am On Oct 06, 2014
Rilwayne001:
This is that the Quran says

Quran 5:72 Indeed, they have disbelieved who say, "Behold,God is the Christ, son of Mary" - seeing that the Christ [himself] said, "O children of Israel! Worship God [alone] , who is my Sustainer as well as your Sustainer."" Behold, whoever ascribes divinity to any being beside God, unto him will God deny paradise, and his abode shall be the fire: and such evildoers will have none to aid them.




Trulu Jesus said the above in the bible.

MARK 12:29-34 — And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; [size=15pt] The Lord OUR God is ONE LORD: [/size] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him……………"

Only a blind man will not see the ONE LORD in the verse above.

UNTIL ANY ONE OF YOU (morons) CAN PROVE TO ME THAT JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF HERE. ELSE YOU ARE ALL RE.TARDED INCLUDING THE OP undecided undecided undecided
who said God is 3? Jesus said" i and my father are ONE" HE DID NOT SAY TWO BUT HE SAY ONE.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 8:00am On Oct 06, 2014
I would have responded to the op but it holds No truth. just obfuscation.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 8:46am On Oct 06, 2014
Abdulsalam20:

LOLZ...THAT IS WHAT I SAID ADAM WAD CREATED MORE MIRACULOUS THAN JESUS THEREFORE ADAM IS GOD HE HAS NO FATHER AND MOTHER


I DONT REALLY WANT TODEBATE WITH YOU BECAUSE ITS OUR FESTIVE PERIOD


YOU SAID JESUS COME TO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR YOUR SIN .......THIS VERSE WILL SHOCK YOU grin grin

Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the
Temple and one of them said unto him: [b]
Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no
remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take
away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of
beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the
conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent
blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of
the Nazorenes, Lection 33, verses 1-2)


see what paul said

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
(Hebrews 9:22)


CHRISTIANITY IS FRAUD
AND LEADS TO HELL

EZEKEIL18:20
New International Version
The one who sins is the one who will die. The
child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will
the parent share the guilt of the child. The
righteousness of the righteous will be credited to
them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be
charged against them.


FOLLOW THIS LINK FOR MORE

www.nairaland.com/1934376/word-begoten-been-removed-frm
your knowlegd of the word of God is soo weak,can a blood of an man cleans the universal sin of adam? Adam sin affect mankind and we all have the same root,it impossible for a man blood to wash away the sin of adam,only an immortal bein like jesus who has the nature of godliness can. The sin of adam is univeral,mankind pay for it.but the sin the book of ezekiel was talking about is not universal,it all about father and son.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 8:50am On Oct 06, 2014
ifeness:



Hahaha christianity put to the sword again lol.
so you agree with the rubish he wrote? It clear you guys dont understand the concept of salvation.can someone from the blood of adam wash away the sin of his forefather?
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Rilwayne001: 9:16pm On Oct 06, 2014
malvisguy212:
who said God is 3? Jesus said" i and my father are ONE" HE DID NOT SAY TWO BUT HE SAY ONE.


How does this answer my question

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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 9:29pm On Oct 06, 2014
Rilwayne001:


How does this answer my question
nobody has ever answer you qustion.beside i notice you dint answer mine.

How do you reconcile this:the quran called jesus spirit and word of God and the bible called jesus son of God,how do you reconcile it?
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Nobody: 9:35pm On Oct 06, 2014
malvisguy212:
so you agree with the rubish he wrote? It clear you guys dont understand the concept of salvation.can someone from the blood of adam wash away the sin of his forefather?

Mythology at its best. Did oya really turn into a river? No! Similar to the bible stories smiley
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Nobody: 9:39pm On Oct 06, 2014
malvisguy212:
your knowlegd of the word of God is soo weak,can a blood of an man cleans the universal sin of adam? Adam sin affect mankind and we all have the same root,it impossible for a man blood to wash away the sin of adam,only an immortal bein like jesus who has the nature of godliness can. The sin of adam is univeral,mankind pay for it.but the sin the book of ezekiel was talking about is not universal,it all about father and son.

What is sin? It is only a religious word that should be abolished. But when you talk about human defaults and weaknesses, then you might have a point. But then,weaknesses are meant to be worked on, not labelled a sin. You need to go back to college.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Rilwayne001: 1:21pm On Oct 07, 2014
malvisguy212:
nobody has ever answer you qustion.beside i notice you dint answer mine.

You did'nt answer my question undecided

The simple question i asked was that was Jesus refering to himself in Mark as ONE AND ONLY LORD

I will answer your question here, i just hope you would answer mine as well.

malvisguy212:
How do you reconcile this:the quran called jesus spirit and word of God and the bible called jesus son of God,how do you reconcile it?

Let me educate you on this issue one and for all, i just hope you are able to grab it cus you are just too dull.

[size=15pt] “Word” of God [/size]

Islam provides a clear explanation of how Jesus was a “Word” from God but first the process of human procreation must be understood the Might of God is behind everything. Whenever God decides to do something, like giving life or causing death,He says the word “Be” and it happens,

Quran 40:68 “It is He who gives life and causes death; and when He decrees a matter, He but says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.”

The first step in human procreation is the biological union between male and female reproductive cells in addition to the will of God. Since Jesus was born without a father, he was not conceived by the male sperm cells. Instead his creation, similar to Adam, is solely attributed to the Word of God, ‘Be.’ God says.

Quran 3:59 “Indeed the likeness of Jesus to God as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was.”

The Quran gives details of Jesus’ conception. Mary was not impregnated by a man. Angel Gabriel, referred to in the Quran as the Spirit, brought the soul of Jesus – his soul was created by God like other human souls - to breathe it into Mary. On seeing the angel, she expressed with surprise,

Quran 3:47 “‘My Lord,’ said Mary, how shall I have a son when no man has ever touched me?”

The angel answered,

Quran 3:47 “Thus it is: God creates what He wills: When he decrees a matter, He only says to it: ‘Be,’ and it is.”

Gabriel then blew the soul of Jesus into Mary, “so We blew into it (her womb) through Our angel.” (Quran 66:12)

In essence, Jesus is God’s ‘Word’ because he came into existence by God’s Word - ‘Be’ - as the Quran describes in another passage,

“His word which He conveyed unto Mary...” (Quran 4:171)

[size=15pt] “Spirit” from God [/size]

The Quran describes Jesus to be a ‘Spirit’ proceeding from God:

“We breathed into her (Mary) from My Spirit.” (Quran 21:91)

“…a Spirit created by Him.”(Quran 4:171)

“We blew into (her womb) through Our angel.” (Quran 66:12)


Jesus was a spirit, or more correctly, a soul created by God,brought by Gabriel, a mighty angel of God, and breathed into Mary:

“We blew into (her womb from her garment) through Our angel.” (Quran 66:12)

Jesus was not a ‘part,’ ‘person,’ or ‘activity’ of God that separated and dwelled inside Mary. He is called a ‘Spirit’ from God as a symbol of respect and honor, not divinity.

Likewise, God also gives Adam this characteristic of being His spirit. God said when He ordered the angels to prostrate to Adam upon his creation.:

Surah Sad, Verse 72:
And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,
(English - Pickthlal)

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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 3:09pm On Oct 07, 2014
Rilwayne001:


You did'nt answer my question undecided

The simple question i asked was that was Jesus refering to himself in Mark as ONE AND ONLY LORD

I will answer your question here, i just hope you would answer mine as well.



Let me educate you on this issue one and for all, i just hope you are able to grab it cus you are just too dull.

[size=15pt] “Word” of God [/size]

Islam provides a clear explanation of how Jesus was a “Word” from God but first the process of human procreation must be understood the Might of God is behind everything. Whenever God decides to do something, like giving life or causing death,He says the word “Be” and it happens,

Quran 40:68 “It is He who gives life and causes death; and when He decrees a matter, He but says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.”

The first step in human procreation is the biological union between male and female reproductive cells in addition to the will of God. Since Jesus was born without a father, he was not conceived by the male sperm cells. Instead his creation, similar to Adam, is solely attributed to the Word of God, ‘Be.’ God says.

Quran 3:59 “Indeed the likeness of Jesus to God as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was.”

The Quran gives details of Jesus’ conception. Mary was not impregnated by a man. Angel Gabriel, referred to in the Quran as the Spirit, brought the soul of Jesus – his soul was created by God like other human souls - to breathe it into Mary. On seeing the angel, she expressed with surprise,

Quran 3:47 “‘My Lord,’ said Mary, how shall I have a son when no man has ever touched me?”

The angel answered,

Quran 3:47 “Thus it is: God creates what He wills: When he decrees a matter, He only says to it: ‘Be,’ and it is.”

Gabriel then blew the soul of Jesus into Mary, “so We blew into it (her womb) through Our angel.” (Quran 66:12)

In essence, Jesus is God’s ‘Word’ because he came into existence by God’s Word - ‘Be’ - as the Quran describes in another passage,

“His word which He conveyed unto Mary...” (Quran 4:171)

[size=15pt] “Spirit” from God [/size]

The Quran describes Jesus to be a ‘Spirit’ proceeding from God:

“We breathed into her (Mary) from My Spirit.” (Quran 21:91)

“…a Spirit created by Him.”(Quran 4:171)

“We blew into (her womb) through Our angel.” (Quran 66:12)


Jesus was a spirit, or more correctly, a soul created by God,brought by Gabriel, a mighty angel of God, and breathed into Mary:

“We blew into (her womb from her garment) through Our angel.” (Quran 66:12)

Jesus was not a ‘part,’ ‘person,’ or ‘activity’ of God that separated and dwelled inside Mary. He is called a ‘Spirit’ from God as a symbol of respect and honor, not divinity.

Likewise, God also gives Adam this characteristic of being His spirit. God said when He ordered the angels to prostrate to Adam upon his creation.:

Surah Sad, Verse 72:
And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,
(English - Pickthlal)
read this verse pay attention,when mary say she know no man and she was a virgin,the angel give her the real reason of the virgin birth.
1:30-35: And the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold! You will conceive in your
womb and bear a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and the Lord
God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as
king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his
kingdom.” But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am a virgin?” In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you and power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy — the Son of God.”


but the quranic angel did not give the real reason,what the angel in the quran was trying to say is"you know how allah created man,he say be and it was"if that shuld be the case then no need for the virgin birth.

THE QURAN CALLED JESUS SPIRIT OF GOD BUT FAIL TO GIVE REASON WHY THE SPIRIT OF GOD WALK IN THE REALM OF HUMAN.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Rilwayne001: 3:35pm On Oct 07, 2014
malvisguy212:


[s] read this verse pay attention,when mary say she know no man and she was a virgin,the angel give her the real reason of the virgin birth.
1:30-35: And the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold! You will conceive in your
womb and bear a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and the Lord
God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as
king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his
kingdom.” But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am a virgin?” In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you and power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy — the Son of God.”


but the quranic angel did not give the real reason,what the angel in the quran was trying to say is"you know how allah created man,he say be and it was"if that shuld be the case then no need for the virgin birth. [/s]

THE QURAN CALLED JESUS SPIRIT OF GOD BUT FAIL TO GIVE REASON WHY THE SPIRIT OF GOD WALK IN THE REALM OF HUMAN.

Surah Sad, Verse 72:
And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,
(English - Pickthlal)

The verse above was talking about ADAM not Jesus.

I said it earlier that if you cannot grab my explanation then i can't help it.

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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 3:49pm On Oct 07, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Surah Sad, Verse 72:
And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,
(English - Pickthlal)

The verse above was talking about ADAM not Jesus.

I said it earlier that if you cannot grab my explanation then i can't help it.
Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit from Him.” The words used in Surah 4:171 are ruhun-minhu, “a Spirit from him.” Thus, the Qur’an clearly describes the human, Jesus, as a Spirit from God himself. With Jesus being the only exception, no humans are
ever depicted as such. However, no attempt is made to explain this
absolutely unique statement of belief in the Qur’an. Yet, the Qur’an
strongly supports the Christian belief that Jesus was a pre-existing
Spirit creature who took on a human form. Surah 4:171 presupposes that Jesus existed before he was conceived by a virgin-woman. For the Qur’an to identify Jesus as a Spirit from God who was
committed to Mary indicates that he was with God even before he was
given to her. It is the closest the Qur’an comes to admitting the pre- existence of Jesus before his conception on earth. The lack of any explanation of its significance, however, suggests that Muhammad
heard and adopted Christian teachings and titles applying to Jesus
without understanding them or seeing their ominous implications that
Jesus was more than a prophet. Jesus was a Spirit before he came to
earth as a human. The Bible, in no uncertain term, testifies to this
divine truth:
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Rilwayne001: 7:31pm On Oct 07, 2014
malvisguy212:
Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit from Him.” The words used in Surah 4:171 are ruhun-minhu, “a Spirit from him.” Thus, the Qur’an clearly describes the human, Jesus, as a Spirit from God himself. With Jesus being the only exception, no humans are
ever depicted as such. However, no attempt is made to explain this
absolutely unique statement of belief in the Qur’an. Yet, the Qur’an
strongly supports the Christian belief that Jesus was a pre-existing
Spirit creature who took on a human form. Surah 4:171 presupposes that Jesus existed before he was conceived by a' virgin-woman. For the Qur’an to identify Jesus as a Spirit from God who was
committed to Mary indicates that he was with God even before he was
given to her. It is the closest the Qur’an comes to admitting the pre- existence of Jesus before his conception on earth. The lack of any explanation of its significance, however, suggests that Muhammad
heard and adopted Christian teachings and titles applying to Jesus
without understanding them or seeing their ominous implications that
Jesus was more than a prophet. Jesus was a Spirit before he came to
earth as a human. The Bible, in no uncertain term, testifies to this
divine truth:

Your copy and paste does not change the fact that Adam also has the SPIRIT FROM ALLAH according to the Quran

This is the verse for Jesus:

Surah Al-Anbiya, Verse 91:
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

And this is the verse for Adam:

Surah Sad, Verse 72:
And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,

Please what is the different between the two

Only a blind pugnacious heathen will see a difference between the two.

Meanwhile, i have no time waste on you cos you will still not comprehend the explanations given so far.

Therefore, have a nice day

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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 9:24pm On Oct 07, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Your copy and paste does not change the fact that Adam also has the SPIRIT FROM ALLAH according to the Quran

This is the verse for Jesus:

Surah Al-Anbiya, Verse 91:
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

And this is the verse for Adam:

Surah Sad, Verse 72:
And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,

Please what is the different between the two

Only a blind pugnacious heathen will see a difference between the two.

Meanwhile, i have no time waste on you cos you will still not comprehend the explanations given so far.

Therefore, have a nice day


the difference is that adam was created out of dust and God breath on him the breath of life but jesus was not created from dust,he was a spirit FROM GOD. If we are to agree with you.then the quran suppose called adam the word of God.in the quran ,when mary ask the angel, am only a virgin how could this be? The reply of the angel dos not seem's like the reason for the virgin birth.but in the bible, the reason were giving to her,"THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH SHALL OVERSHADOW THE AND THAT HOLY THING SHALL BE CALLED SON OF GOD "what dos this mean? As the power of God overshadow her a holy seed is bein implanted in her. Now compere the reply of the angel in both the quran and bible and see which book give the real reason of her virgin birth.

Surah 3:47: “She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So it will be. Allah createth what He will. If he decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! And it is.” (Pickthall)

if you observ this verse well.it picture the virgin birth as a random manisfestation of God creative power,the angel did not explain the reason for her virgin birth.

The truth of the matter is that the virgin-birth of Jesus Christ was not a random manifestation of God’s creative power as implied in the
Qur’an. While the fact that it was brought about by the power of God is
without any doubt, however, this in itself does not explain its meaning
or purpose. Surely the great act of creating the whole world – with all
the animate and inanimate things in it – out of nothing are sufficient
proofs of God’s creative power. What necessity was there to give a new demonstration of this power? The Qur’an itself teaches that the
mere fact that God could create men out of nothing is surely proof that
God can raise them from the dead.

Surah 22:5: “O mankind! If ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, consider that We created you out of dust…” (Yusuf Ali)

As such, Allah is saying that no proof of the ultimate resurrection is
needed for the unbelievers since his initial act of creation is sufficient
for man to perceive his creative powers. In other words, there is no
need for Allah to further demonstrate his creative powers. The
miraculous conception of Jesus just could not have been for the
purpose of a manifestation of God’s power as there was no visible demonstration of God’s power for humans to behold when he caused
the conception to take place. The miraculous conception could not be
physically demonstrated as there was no visible evidence of it. Thus,
we accept it on the basis of our faith in God’s Word. Though there was
no external visible sign of God’s power, we know the miraculous
conception to be true because it was prophesized centuries in advance in God’s unfailing Word. Since no one could actually see the miraculous
power at work at the time of conception, it certainly would be futile
for God to use it as a means to demonstrate his power for others to
see. Therefore, the virgin-birth could not have been an arbitrary demonstration of the power of God, as the Qur’an claims. There must
have been another reason for it.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 9:39pm On Oct 07, 2014
ifeness:


What is sin? It is only a religious word that should be abolished. But when you talk about human defaults and weaknesses, then you might have a point. But then,weaknesses are meant to be worked on, not labelled a sin. You need to go back to college.
you are athiest,you dont believe in God,why do you stress yourself in quoting what you dont believe in?my post threating you?
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Slitz(f): 10:33pm On Oct 07, 2014
I find it ludicrous that a Christian feels comfortable quoting the Quran at all..I mean common! u don't believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) so for what reason are u quoting the msg with which he as been sent. A Muslim on the other hand blivs in Prophet Eesa(Jesus Christ) and in his message, so if a Muslim tells u with evidence that that message has been corrupted, der is evidence for that in the Incorruptible Quran..but u don't have any proof..so if you believe in a section of the Quran(wrongly) then you should be wise enough to accept the correction given to u, and thus believe in the remaining part of the message..
"Say! He is Allah(God) He is ONE"
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 11:50pm On Oct 07, 2014
Slitz:
I find it ludicrous that a Christian feels comfortable quoting the Quran at all..I mean common! u don't believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) so for what reason are u quoting the msg with which he as been sent. A Muslim on the other hand blivs in Prophet Eesa(Jesus Christ) and in his message, so if a Muslim tells u with evidence that that message has been corrupted, der is evidence for that in the Incorruptible Quran..but u don't have any proof..so if you believe in a section of the Quran(wrongly) then you should be wise enough to accept the correction given to u, and thus believe in the remaining part of the message..
"Say! He is Allah(God) He is ONE"
when they say a book is currupted ,it mean the book is the word of God but men currupted it ,as we know a fake book cannot be thame curruptdd.my point is that,Allah promise to guid his word and non can change it,saying the bible is currupted mean Allah fail to guid the bible.

You said muslims believe in jesus.but the bible say even the demon believe in jesus.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Nobody: 1:05am On Oct 08, 2014
malvisguy212:
you are athiest,you dont believe in God,why do you stress yourself in quoting what you dont believe in?my post threating you?

Your foolishness is a threat. You might foolishly plant a bomb all in the name of God.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Slitz(f): 8:12am On Oct 08, 2014
malvisguy212:
when they say a book is currupted ,it mean the book is the word of God but men currupted it ,as we know a fake book cannot be thame curruptdd.my point is that,Allah promise to guid his word and non can change it,saying the bible is currupted mean Allah fail to guid the bible.

You said muslims believe in jesus.but the bible say even the demon believe in jesus.
the original version if the bible is called the "Injil" and it is an article of faith in Islam that we believe in the messages of all the Prophets. The fact that the Quran is incorruptible is a Mercy from God because Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final messenger..and so there would be no need for any other messenger..the Mercy of God to the earlier generations was that after the people forgot and corrupted the original message and followed their own desires God sent another messenger to help guide them back to the straight path..but lo behold you desire the fake when the message of the original keeps slapping you in the face...remember Heaven and Hell are the choices that we make.."the intoxication of death would bring the truth!"
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 8:34am On Oct 08, 2014
Slitz:
the original version if the bible is called the "Injil" and it is an article of faith in Islam that we believe in the messages of all the Prophets. The fact that the Quran is incorruptible is a Mercy from God because Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final messenger..and so there would be no need for any other messenger..the Mercy of God to the earlier generations was that after the people forgot and corrupted the original message and followed their own desires God sent another messenger to help guide them back to the straight path..but lo behold you desire the fake when the message of the original keeps slapping you in the face...remember Heaven and Hell are the choices that we make.."the intoxication of death would bring the truth!"
satan inspire muhammad to speak what God has not commanded him to speak,that is what muslims called the satanic verse,deutoronumy18:19 say that prophet shall die,it is not surprisen that muhammad died of food poisioning.is this what you called uncurrupted word of God?there so many erro in the quran .saying muhamma is the last prophet is a lie from pit of hell.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Slitz(f): 11:52am On Oct 08, 2014
Every single accusation made as regards the uniqueness and incorruptible style of the Quran as been answered right ere on Nairaland..Honestly I would have been shocked if you did agree with me..whether you accept it now or not, you would eventually believe.. the difference might just be whether it is too late or not...
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 3:56pm On Oct 08, 2014
malvisguy212:
so you agree with the rubish he wrote? It clear you guys dont understand the concept of salvation.can someone from the blood of adam wash away the sin of his forefather?
i will excpose ur lies finish am coming im just somehow busy i will prove to you that jesus never die for sin,he is a proPHET everybody is a son of god but GOD NEVER BEGOT and your salvation is false...........am coming back busy thingz
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 6:03pm On Oct 08, 2014
lagosshia,rilwayn001,abdulsalam20. I was ban in the islamic section that why i could not reply you guys,lagosshia.all what you post are rubish but your ignorence muslims are prasing you,isaac already has the blessing of prophethood,the both of them cannot shere the same blessing,example is esau and jacob,even when esau pleaded for his blessing,isaac did not give the same blessing he gave jacob.maclantunji, why did you change the title of my thread? Who gave you permission to do such a thing? My father[God]is my witness. Mynd44 even when i beg you not to transfer my thread to the islamic section,still you did it.GOD WILL JUDGE,YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT,IT IS YOUR TIME,BUT THE DAY IS COMING WHEN YOU WILL SAY"HAD I KNOW"
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 6:23pm On Oct 08, 2014
malvisguy212:
lagosshia,rilwayn001,abdulsalam20. I was ban in the islamic section that why i could not reply you guys,lagosshia.all what you post are rubish but your ignorence muslims are prasing you,isaac already has the blessing of prophethood,the both of them cannot shere the same blessing,example is esau and jacob,even when esau pleaded for his blessing,isaac did not give the same blessing he gave jacob.maclantunji, why did you change the title of my thread? Who gave you permission to do such a thing? My father[God]is my witness. Mynd44 even when i beg you not to transfer my thread to the islamic section,still you did it.GOD WILL JUDGE,YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT,IT IS YOUR TIME,BUT THE DAY IS COMING WHEN YOU WILL SAY"HAD I KNOW"
did you know the definition of lie? lie is what you can prove wrong since you cant prove us wrong then it is the truth.......
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Rilwayne001: 6:34pm On Oct 08, 2014
malvisguy212:
lagosshia,rilwayn001,abdulsalam20. I was ban in the islamic section that why i could not reply you guys,lagosshia.all what you post are rubish but your ignorence muslims are prasing you,isaac already has the blessing of prophethood,the both of them cannot shere the same blessing,example is esau and jacob,even when esau pleaded for his blessing,isaac did not give the same blessing he gave jacob.maclantunji, why did you change the title of my thread? Who gave you permission to do such a thing? My father[God]is my witness. Mynd44 even when i beg you not to transfer my thread to the islamic section,still you did it.GOD WILL JUDGE,YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT,IT IS YOUR TIME,BUT THE DAY IS COMING WHEN YOU WILL SAY"HAD I KNOW"

Why are you shouting now

Lagoshia has already answered you undecided„ but you canterkerous attitude or maybe your low IQ won't let you accept his answer.

Create your thread again.

Mumu undecided
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 6:42pm On Oct 08, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Why are you shouting now

Lagoshia has already answered you undecided„ but you canterkerous attitude or maybe your low IQ won't let you accept his answer.

Create your thread again.

Mumu undecided
thank you for the insult.i leave everything in The hands of God.
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Rilwayne001: 7:06pm On Oct 08, 2014
malvisguy212:
thank you for the insult.i leave everything in The hands of God.

Okay

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